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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 10:27 AM
i spoke to a very good source who indicated that the band will not be playing at the Beacon in May. Did not know the new venue but the BEACON is out. Glad to be seeing Mule and Levon Helm before the renovation. Also, rumor is someone is leaving the band shortly after the run
 
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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 11:56 AM
Good lord, what of this rumor at the end? I think we're prepared for no Beacon, but not the other.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 01:42 PM
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Good lord, what of this rumor at the end? I think we're prepared for no Beacon, but not the other.


I hope that rumor is as credible as Clapton coming to the Beacon every year!

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 02:00 PM
A very reputable source has confirmed to me that Dickey is going to return to the band in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 02:03 PM
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A very reputable source has confirmed to me that Dickey is going to return to the band in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007.


I see you left out 2008....hmmmmmmm....

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 02:03 PM
Ummmm, I hear change is in the wind. Been feelin' that for quite some time.
Who will it be? Let the speculation begin...

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 02:08 PM
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I see you left out 2008....hmmmmmmm....

Yeah, but it's four months until Wannee. Most people aren't bored enough to start making up rumors and misunderstanding things yet. Give it some time.

No offense, fensranger, but by my estimate, rumors have had Derek and Warren leaving the band three or four times each, Oteil going once or twice, and Butch retiring once in the last few years. This stuff is basically never reliable and should be treated as such. Maybe I'm just being touchy here, but I find all the speculating really irritating and I don't know why people get sucked into it over and over again.

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 02:16 PM
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Because, Marley, on the outside chance that the rumor comes true, they can say that they were the first ones to tell us.

I work in the news business and I'm not that gossippy.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 04:09 PM
I am actually glad the band will play somewhere other than the Beacon.

1. The band shouldn't take any grief from Dolan's MSG. The ABB is a big reason that place is as known and prestigious as it is today.
2. I have had so many good experiences at the Beacon, I would rather not have to couple those in with a new batch of bad ones. My last show at the Beacon I was treated like absolute dirt by the staff.

I hope no one leaves the band. The Beatles were never the same after Paul died and I don't think this line up would be the same if anyone else left, especially Dickey. I hope he stays.

 





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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 04:10 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing the band at MSG if I had to choose a place. They may have to cut down the number of dates anyway due to some health matters, and the larger venue would seem the most sensible place They seat over 20,000 with floor seats, so it could make sense.
It may be time for the band to take a break anyway. The band is still great, and the concerts have become rituals, but it is going stale.
I won't speculate on who's leaving, but we have gotten more out of this band then we ever dreamed possible...and I don't mean just music.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 05:26 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing the band at MSG if I had to choose a place.



MSG is the one place in NYC that they can count me out. I'd rather catch a couple of outdoor summer shows than anything at MSG. I'd bet on Radio City since it's owned by the Dolan's, has enough intimacy to handle the atmosphere and it's a place where the ABB knows I'd go to see them (the last item most important of all).

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 05:39 PM
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They may have to cut down the number of dates anyway due to some health matters

They've already announced that the run will be from May 5 to May 28. If they slow things down and only play 4 shows a week, that's still about a dozen shows, which is consistent with past years. And May 28 is a Wednesday, so they may extend things like they always do.
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They seat over 20,000 with floor seats, so it could make sense.

There's no way they would play the main hall there. They haven't filled a venue like that in ages; the Beacon seats 2,800.
The ABB might play the WaMu Theater (formerly Theater at MSG), which apparently seats 2,000 to 5,600 depending on how it's set up.
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I won't speculate on who's leaving

It's Warren! It's Warren, right? No? I'm just kidding, it's definitely Gregg.


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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 07:04 PM
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It's Warren! It's Warren, right? No? I'm just kidding, it's definitely Gregg.


Derek?

Butch!



Marc?


Don't worry, I'm not going anywhere...

My money is on that Tazmanian devil. That dude has overstayed his welcome. Prepare the fax machine of doom!


Aren't Tasmanian Devils a protected species?

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 08:47 PM
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I see you left out 2008....hmmmmmmm....

Yeah, but it's four months until Wannee. Most people aren't bored enough to start making up rumors and misunderstanding things yet. Give it some time.

No offense, fensranger, but by my estimate, rumors have had Derek and Warren leaving the band three or four times each, Oteil going once or twice, and Butch retiring once in the last few years. This stuff is basically never reliable and should be treated as such. Maybe I'm just being touchy here, but I find all the speculating really irritating and I don't know why people get sucked into it over and over again.

[Edited on 12/21/2007 by Marley]


Because, Marley, on the outside chance that the rumor comes true, they can say that they were the first ones to tell us.


That says it all...Who cares where they play as long as they play

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 09:26 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing the band at MSG if I had to choose a place. They may have to cut down the number of dates anyway due to some health matters, and the larger venue would seem the most sensible place They seat over 20,000 with floor seats, so it could make sense.
It may be time for the band to take a break anyway. The band is still great, and the concerts have become rituals, but it is going stale.
I won't speculate on who's leaving, but we have gotten more out of this band then we ever dreamed possible...and I don't mean just music.



MSG is a horrible option!!!

"The band is still great, and the concerts have become rituals, but it is going stale."

??? Dude, you have to be kidding me, right? Last couple of years at the Beacon we've seen them braek out tunes like In A Silent Way, Anyday, Dazed & Confused, Instrumental Illness, Egypt, new interpretations of old songs, etc... I respectifully disagree that this is considred "stale"!

 

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I wouldn't mind seeing the band at MSG if I had to choose a place. They may have to cut down the number of dates anyway due to some health matters, and the larger venue would seem the most sensible place They seat over 20,000 with floor seats, so it could make sense.
It may be time for the band to take a break anyway. The band is still great, and the concerts have become rituals, but it is going stale.
I won't speculate on who's leaving, but we have gotten more out of this band then we ever dreamed possible...and I don't mean just music.



MSG is a horrible option!!!

"The band is still great, and the concerts have become rituals, but it is going stale."

??? Dude, you have to be kidding me, right? Last couple of years at the Beacon we've seen them braek out tunes like In A Silent Way, Anyday, Dazed & Confused, Instrumental Illness, Egypt, new interpretations of old songs, etc... I respectifully disagree that this is considred "stale"!

Maybe it just me...I've been seeing the band since 1969,
3-5 shows a yr at he beacon since it started, and while I always enjoyed a few old blue's song's interpeted, I am not looking for the Allman Brother's band to be the Greatest Cover band in the Land. To me, they are not as combustable as they used to be live. Gregg sounds great, the performances are always on the money for the most part, but there is something lacking. They just aren't taking my breathe away anymore. This is only over the last 3-4 years.

As far as the MSG thought, I was just thinking of a place they could play less nights, but still play to enough people to satisfy the demand. But if they are going to do 2 weeks, then God bless em...I'll be there...somewhere.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 11:55 PM
The Theatre at MSG wouldn't be the worse choice. It is bigger than the Beacon and doesn't have very much ambience, but it is in a good location, you get a good view wherever you sit, and the sound is usually very good. I still prefer the Beacon. I saw Hot Tuna there last week and even with the changes that place still has soul. I hope it doesn't totally change after renovations but with Dolan being involved I will not hold my breath.

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if its not at Radio City Musica Hall I will release those Tasmanian Devils

 

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  posted on 12/22/2007 at 11:46 AM
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To me, they are not as combustable as they used to be live. Gregg sounds great, the performances are always on the money for the most part, but there is something lacking. They just aren't taking my breathe away anymore. This is only over the last 3-4 years.


I think that's a pretty good assessment right there SkyPuppy though perhaps just the past 2-3 years for me. For awhile, we'd catch 3-4 Beacon shows and then 2-3 summer outdoor shows. The summer shows we found very mechanical, no real jamming and an overall lack of pure concert satisfaction after the shows. But the Beacon shows still blew me away. The last 2-3 years, while the Beacon shows have been outstanding by most typical concert expectations, by ABB/Beacon standards they have simply not been paralyzing where I'm standing there with my jaw dangling somewhere near the ground for many parts of the show.

I think it's because the HTN excitement has subsided and new material is needed again. If a band is not creating new material, they get bored. It's expected and normal. So, if you're reading this Gregg, get writing. Same to you Warren. You're both amazing writiers and the band and fans need the new material so we can all be refreshed together...reborn if you will.

It's not the theater that makes the band, in this case, it's the band that makes the theater. Either way, NO MSG!!!

 

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  posted on 12/22/2007 at 11:50 AM
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They may have to cut down the number of dates anyway due to some health matters

They've already announced that the run will be from May 5 to May 28. If they slow things down and only play 4 shows a week, that's still about a dozen shows, which is consistent with past years. And May 28 is a Wednesday, so they may extend things like they always do.
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They seat over 20,000 with floor seats, so it could make sense.

There's no way they would play the main hall there. They haven't filled a venue like that in ages; the Beacon seats 2,800.
The ABB might play the WaMu Theater (formerly Theater at MSG), which apparently seats 2,000 to 5,600 depending on how it's set up.
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I won't speculate on who's leaving

It's Warren! It's Warren, right? No? I'm just kidding, it's definitely Gregg.


Derek?

Butch!



Marc?


It's me. I'm leaving. I've had a better offer to play kazoo from.........























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They may have to cut down the number of dates anyway due to some health matters

They've already announced that the run will be from May 5 to May 28. If they slow things down and only play 4 shows a week, that's still about a dozen shows, which is consistent with past years. And May 28 is a Wednesday, so they may extend things like they always do.
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They seat over 20,000 with floor seats, so it could make sense.

There's no way they would play the main hall there. They haven't filled a venue like that in ages; the Beacon seats 2,800.
The ABB might play the WaMu Theater (formerly Theater at MSG), which apparently seats 2,000 to 5,600 depending on how it's set up.
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I won't speculate on who's leaving

It's Warren! It's Warren, right? No? I'm just kidding, it's definitely Gregg.


Derek?

Butch!



Marc?


It's me. I'm leaving. I've had a better offer to play kazoo from.........























Rick Derringer. LOL!


So who in the world could ever replace you Mitzi? Do you have someone in mind? Can you give us a hint?

 

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  posted on 12/22/2007 at 01:29 PM
Skypuppy,

Have to agree with your assestment. While the band is still the best performance band out there, I do feel since 2005 they been somewhat "coasting". Oh sure, they know how to get the fan's off, but don't really see a lot of "new" creativity coming out of the band. Perhaps the band has gotten "to comfortable" with playing with each other. Also, I've noticed that over the last couple of years, that it seems the band "needs" a strong opening act, that brings "it's crowd to the show", just to make sure they can generate a "good crowd" at the amphiitheaters.

fenranger,

Wouldn't be surprised if someone leave the band at the end of May. Couple of different band members having been "dropping hints" in the last few interviews that have been done by them. I feel that if someone leaves (Gregg, Butch, Derek or Warren), that the ABB will probably "fold up the tent". Can't see them trying to continue on, without "diminishing the band" and what it has accomplished over the last (what will be) 39 years.

 
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  posted on 12/22/2007 at 01:46 PM
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To me, they are not as combustable as they used to be live. Gregg sounds great, the performances are always on the money for the most part, but there is something lacking. They just aren't taking my breathe away anymore. This is only over the last 3-4 years.


I think that's a pretty good assessment right there SkyPuppy though perhaps just the past 2-3 years for me. For awhile, we'd catch 3-4 Beacon shows and then 2-3 summer outdoor shows. The summer shows we found very mechanical, no real jamming and an overall lack of pure concert satisfaction after the shows. But the Beacon shows still blew me away. The last 2-3 years, while the Beacon shows have been outstanding by most typical concert expectations, by ABB/Beacon standards they have simply not been paralyzing where I'm standing there with my jaw dangling somewhere near the ground for many parts of the show.

I think it's because the HTN excitement has subsided and new material is needed again. If a band is not creating new material, they get bored. It's expected and normal. So, if you're reading this Gregg, get writing. Same to you Warren. You're both amazing writiers and the band and fans need the new material so we can all be refreshed together...reborn if you will.

It's not the theater that makes the band, in this case, it's the band that makes the theater. Either way, NO MSG!!!



Maybe you guys have just been unlucky in your choice of nights to attend. I have been left with my jaw on the floor at least at two Beacon shows each year the last couple of runs. I have attended three or four shows every year for the last decade. Warren and Derek have really developed an awesome chemistry and I even find the summer shows in the last couple of years to be more diverse than they had been. Before Warren came back we were dealing with very limited setlists and it was getting stale. Since Warren rejoined I feel that they have taken the music to incredible levels, spoiling the hell out of most of us. I hope this unbelievable group of musicians stay together and keep touring for as long as they can do it, because when it is finally over there will be a huge void that will never be filled by anyone else.

 

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  posted on 12/22/2007 at 02:32 PM
Ditto what Pete said--the band has been awesome these last few years
 

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  posted on 12/22/2007 at 02:39 PM
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I hope this unbelievable group of musicians stay together and keep touring for as long as they can do it, because when it is finally over there will be a huge void that will never be filled by anyone else.


While I would agree, it would be great if they could keep touring for as long as they can do. I also know, that for many reasons, both internal and external with the band, that those days are almost over. I've been following the band since 1970 (Love Valley was my 1st ABB experience) and have seen every version of the band and have been a fan through the good times and bad times. At this point in time, the ABB are like an "aging beloved athelete", great in their day, and still knows how to play a good game, but time is catching up, and one wonder how long standards can be kept? Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe are all over 60. Gregg is reportingly having some serious medical issues that he's dealing with. Warren is in his mid-forties and recently stated that him and his wife wants to start a family, and that when that happens he'll be cutting back on some of his musical activities (wonder "which one" that'll be?). Derek has been talking recently how fortunate he's been in the last few years to accomplish musically all the things he has accomplished and that quite a bit of these opportunies have come about because of his wife Susan willingness to put her career on the "backburner" and stay at home and raise their children and give Derek the opportunty to do all the things that he has been able to do. But Derek is also talking about it's Susan's time to resume her career and take it to level that she deserves. And the truth of that matter, it can't be done unless Derek gives up something (dTb, playing with other musicians such as Clapton or Santana, or the ABB), just to give Susan the time she needs to get her musical career "back on track". I also feel that Derek would also like to have more time with his children. My guess is the something that he'll give up is the ABB. And let's not forget, the music business has changed a great deal. It's harder and harder for bands such as the ABB to make and sell CDs, as the avenues to promote and market and sell these CDs in the volume necessary to be profitable have greatly diminished. The cost of touring itself gets more and more expensive every year, yet, the ABB "realizes" that they really can't up it's "ticket prices" without losing a considerable number of fans, who come to their shows. All of the reasons I just listed, and I sure there are many others, are factoring into, not only does the band "want" to keep the ABB going, but also on whether or not, from a "financial standpoint" whether it can actually afford to do so.

I know people don't want to hear it, but the "writings on the wall", whether it's this year or next (the band's 40th Anniversary), before the ABB wishes us a "fond farewell". The ABB has had a good, long run and more importantly, has "by and large" been able to maintain it's musical standards. But I also think that has time goes on, that will start to diminish, and I think the ABB has to much pride in what they do, to let that ever happen.

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