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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 01:30 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317548,00.html

Arrogance reaps it own rewards. Our government has displayed great arrogance at many times in many ways almost since it's inception. I, for one, have no problem with this people stating their case in as emphatic a manner as they have done here.




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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:18 PM
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Lakota Indians Withdraw Treaties Signed With U.S. 150 Years Ago
Thursday , December 20, 2007

WASHINGTON —

The Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the United States.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the U.S., some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the U.S. were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

"It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence — an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because "it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples — despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

"We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The U.S. "annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere "facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the U.S. government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the U.S.; infant mortality is five times higher than the U.S. average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.



 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:26 PM
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Arrogance reaps it own rewards. Our government has displayed great arrogance at many times in many ways almost since it's inception. I, for one, have no problem with this people stating their case in as emphatic a manner as they have done here.



Number one, the Lakota should start by giving back their land that they took from the Crow Tribe.

Number two, the lame Lakota leadership is the biggest problem behind the low average age of death and the rest of the ills of those that still live on the reservations. These activists are trying to revive the Wounded Knee tradition of stirring it up.

Number three, I have Cherokee blood in me, and I sympathize absolutely with the way the Native Americans were treated, and I agree with the laws that let tribes start casinos, etc. But are we going to turn five states over to the Lakota leadership so they can run them into the ground as well?? It is the same answer as to whether we are going to give back the Southwest to the Mexicans - NO.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:30 PM
I believe every American Indian born in the USA still has the indentation of a Bootmark on his rear from birth. These indigenous peoples have gotten the shaft since we landed...


Good for them.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:31 PM
Found this on the information super highway...

On December 20, 2007, a group of Lakota activists that included Russell Means and Phyllis Young informed the State Department that the Lakota people were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties signed with the U.S. federal government. The leaders plan to issue Lakota country passports and driving licences. It is as yet unclear whether the statements of the activists represent the view of the elected government(s) of the Sioux Nation, or how federal authorities will respond.


 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:39 PM
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I believe every American Indian born in the USA still has the indentation of a Bootmark on his rear from birth. These indigenous peoples have gotten the shaft since we landed...


Good for them.


Right now you are living on native American land. Please tell me the specific steps that you are taking right now to give the land you inhabit back to the rightful tribe.............

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:48 PM
No one has to give back land this country has stolen 'legally' however if any tribe in Alabama has a treaty they'd like to call in, I'm okay with living on Indian lands. If nothing else, this might possible wake up Washington!!! Probably not, but I can dream. Go Lakotas!!!

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:53 PM
So, why aren't you volunterring to give back the land you live on right now to the appropriate tribe?? What are you waiting for? What are you doing speficially right now to make that happen?? I am sure that I can find a representative of the right tribe to get this land transfer going.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 02:56 PM
Treaty is the operative word here Derek before you start running too far amok. Without the treaty there isn't a leg for them to stand on.....the Lakotas are pursuing legal means to regain the lands they never gave up....and I'll be glad to give back the land I'm paying dearly for if the people who screwed my grandfather out of his land in downtown Chicago will give it back to me.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 07:10 PM
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Treaty is the operative word here Derek before you start running too far amok. Without the treaty there isn't a leg for them to stand on.....the Lakotas are pursuing legal means to regain the lands they never gave up....and I'll be glad to give back the land I'm paying dearly for if the people who screwed my grandfather out of his land in downtown Chicago will give it back to me.


I'll look into it. First things first, we need to find out what tribe claims that land in Bama.

Meanwhile, why should folks in another part of the country give up their land but not you??

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 07:30 PM
The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their U.S. citizenship, Mr Means said.

Hey, they've made provisions for the people who live there now......and besides, no one in Alabama where I live wants their land back.....however there is a tribe over in the Shoals that has staked its claim to tribal land.

So, that makes me terrible to want the Indians treated fairly? and before you play the 'I'm part Indian' card.....so am I....and I dare say are a number of people if they checked back far enough.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 08:10 PM
Give Ireland back to the Irish!

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 08:18 PM
What a joke.....every square inch of land on earth can be disputed for this same reason.

what is possessed by one now used to belong to another...Various Indian nations did the same to one another that the white man came and did to all of them. Someone will come along eventually and do the same to us. Oh well.

 

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What a joke.....every square inch of land on earth can be disputed for this same reason.

what is possessed by one now used to belong to another...Various Indian nations did the same to one another that the white man came and did to all of them. Someone will come along eventually and do the same to us. Oh well.


I think the Mexicans are already doing it in the SouthWest.....

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 09:52 PM
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Treaty is the operative word here Derek before you start running too far amok.


I agree. Let's see what we can narrow down so we can get this land transfer going;

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http://www.touralabama.org/things-to-do/tours-trails/native-american/

.........In August of 1814, the Creeks surrendered nearly half of the present state of Alabama to the United States in the Treaty of Fort Jackson.

................The rise of the historic Native American tribes in Alabama had begun some 200 years before statehood and was associated with four major Indian nations — Cherokee, Creek, Choctaw and Chickasaw. The Cherokees were the predominant tribe in northeast Alabama, along the Tennessee River; the Choctaw in southwest Alabama; and the Chickasaw in northwest Alabama. The Creeks were the largest of the Native American groups in Alabama, occupying two-thirds of the state. During the 18th century, the native peoples of Alabama were caught in an ever-tightening vise, as European powers — and near the century's end, the United States — struggled for control of North America.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 10:09 PM
The Treaty of Fort Jackson (also known as the Treaty with the Creeks, 1814) was signed on August 9, 1814 at Fort Jackson near Wetumpka, Alabama following the defeat of the Red Stick (Upper Creek) resistance by United States forces at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend on the banks of the Tallapoosa River near the present city of Alexander City, Alabama. The U.S. force, led by General Andrew Jackson, consisted mainly of the West Tennessee Militia and 39th United States Infantry and several groups of Cherokee and Lower Creeks friendly to the American side. The Upper Creeks were led by Chief Menawa, who fled with hundreds of survivors into Florida. The surrender ended the Creek War, which the United States was fighting simultaneously with the War of 1812. The terms of the treaty ceded 23 million acres (93,000 km²) of Creek land in Alabama and Georgia to the United States government. This definitive victory freed Jackson to continue south to Louisiana to engage the British forces at the Battle of New Orleans.


Nope, not the Creeks.....the land encompassed in the treaty isn't where I live.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 10:13 PM
The its one of the other three tribes.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2007 at 10:15 PM
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Muskhogean Family. An important linguistic stock, comprising the Creeks, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and other tribes. The name is an adjectival form of Muskogee, properly MdskMi (pl. Maskokalgi or Muscogulgee). Its derivation has been attributed to an Algonquian term signifying `swamp' or `open marshy land' (see Muskeg), but this is almost certainly incorrect. The Muskhogean tribes were confined chiefly to the Gulf states E. of almost all of Mississippi and Alabama, and parts of Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and South Carolina. According to a tradition held in common by most of their tribes, they had reached their historic seats from some starting point w. of the Mississippi, usually placed, when localized at all, somewhere on the upper Red r. The greater part of the tribes of the stock are now on reservations in Oklahoma.


Now, this would tend to encompass the tribes that might have claim to where I live except for one particular thing. Our town was started on the side of the grazing lands that belonged to all the tribes....and has since grown to encompass most of that land. Since it was communal grazing lands, it would be difficult to prove prior ownership of the area for any single tribe. Now, if a buffalo, elk or deer wants to ask me for it, I might have to give it some serious consideration, otherwise, the whole topic is a moot point.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 04:12 PM
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Various Indian nations did the same to one another that the white man came and did to all of them. Someone will come along eventually and do the same to us. Oh well.


i totally agree.

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 04:55 PM
Where does this stop? Let's give back every inch of land to every group of people who ever had any stole from them.. We won, they lost, get over it. My ancesters had land stole from them, as did everybody in the world. You don't hear me crying. They had a fine culture going, unfortunately they weren't strong enough to retain it. The Blackfoot are the ones I respect the most. You didn't find them joining the cavalry to fight other tribes.. Do the Lakotas plan on giving back the territory they stole from the Crow? I bet not!!
 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 09:05 PM
I must admit that I applaud the Lakota's strategy to wake up Washington.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 09:17 PM
Josey: You be Ten Bears?
Ten Bears: I am Ten Bears.
Josey: I'm Josey Wales.
Ten Bears: I have heard. You're the Gray Rider. You would not make peace with the Blue Coats. You may go in peace. Josey: I reckon not. Got nowhere to go.
Ten Bears: Then you will die.
Josey: I came here to die with you. Or live with you. Dying ain't so hard for men like you and me, it's living that's hard; when all you ever cared about has been butchered or raped. Governments don't live together, people live together. With governments you don't always get a fair word or a fair fight. Well I've come here to give you either one, or get either one from you. I came here like this so you'll know my word of death is true. And that my word of life is then true. The bear lives here, the wolf, the antelope, the Comanche. And so will we. Now, we'll only hunt what we need to live on, same as the Comanche does. And every spring when the grass turns green and the Comanche moves north, he can rest here in peace, butcher some of our cattle and jerk beef for the journey. The sign of the Comanche, that will be on our lodge. That's my word of life.
Ten Bears: And your word of death?
Josey: It's here in my pistols, there in your rifles. I'm here for either one.
Ten Bears: These things you say we will have, we already have.
Josey: That's true. I ain't promising you nothing extra. I'm just giving you life and you're giving me life. And I'm saying that men can live together without butchering one another.
Ten Bears: It's sad that governments are chiefed by the double-tongues. There is iron in your word of death for all Comanche to see. And so there is iron in your words of life. No signed paper can hold the iron, it must come from men. The words of Ten Bears carries the same iron of life and death. It is good that warriors such as we meet in the struggle of life... or death. It shall be life. So shall it be.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2007 at 10:18 PM
Neanderthal man wants his land back from the Indians.

He was here first.

 

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