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  posted on 12/13/2007 at 10:15 PM
Earlier today I posted a comment near one of my pictures. When I posted it, I did not mean it in any way to be offensive. I realized later after reading it that It was offensive to African Americans. I am making an apology to anybody on this forum that was offended by it, and I hope you realized that I it was in no way meant to sound like it did. I can't express how sorry I am, I just made a mistake. I hope that If I offended you that you understand that I am sorry. I am truely sorry, and I hope that If I offended you that you can forgive me.

I am sorry.


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  posted on 12/13/2007 at 10:49 PM
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  posted on 12/13/2007 at 10:51 PM
Nice post.

I believe I read the post to which you are referring, and while I admit did a double take when I read it, I ultimately concluded that you probably did not mean anything bad by it and I personally was not offended.

But some folks are more easily offended than others, and I admire you being proactive and apologizing just in case.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2007 at 10:56 PM
Hey Micah,

I have a pretty good tan not unlike the guys in your picture and I was not the least bit offended....

No apology needed....

 

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  posted on 12/13/2007 at 11:45 PM
I wasn't offended either. Why I should or shouldn't be offended might be a little more clear when I post my own pictures tomorrow.

Some may have thought your phrasing a bit odd, but one thing it did, at least IMO, was point out the incongruence of the situation.

Let's look at some generalizations. Now, blues fans come in all shapes, sizes, ages and colors, certainly, but one group that you would think would be likely blues fans would be black men in their fifties and up (which from memory I think would cover two of the three guys in that shot).

Conversely, when you think of who might be entertaining said black guys in their fifties by playing acoustic slide blues guitar, a white teenager isn't the first person to pop into your mind.

So, the situation in itself was a bit of a cultural anomaly.

I was in the same situation myself about . . . hmmm 14 years ago, which would have put me in my mid twenties. I was the only white person (quite literally) in an all black college. It was traditional for the faculty to do something for the students during African American History Month . . . a lecture, a poetry reading, bring in an invited speaker, something like that. I told them I would put on a brief blues show, interspersing the songs with bits of history of the blues.

I could play well enough to pull it off, but my singing is/was atrocious, so I was sort of running of faith for the lyrics, but after my initial nervousness wore off, I guess it was passable. I think I did If I had Possession over Judgment Day, Rev. Gary Davis' Cocaine Blues, an instrumental rag or two, and Before You Accuse Me. Anyway, that's beside the point.

The young folks, the hip-hoppers, etc., thought it was funny, most of the faculty was polite, but where the real appreciation lay was with the older folks. Here was a 99.9% black college, and the person offering one of the "blackest" pieces of culture during February was the young white guy that just started a few months earlier.

The applause and complements from everyone were nice, but what touched me the most, and made the experience the most rewarding, were the brief conversations I had with the older folks after my brief set, telling me how much they liked it, and sharing their own bluesy stories. One of the guys helped start the Jazz program at Roosevelt University back in the 60's, and one of the ladies was actually Mississippi John Hurt's niece, and remembered sitting on his lap while he sang and played when she was a young girl.

So, to wrap it up, I think the fact that these older black gentlemen were interested enough in what you were doing to actually stop and listen is in itself a compliment, and I doubt if three black guys would be offended if you told your friends that you played your guitar for three black guys.

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 05:27 AM
I think they would have been more offended if you called them security guards rather than black folks.
There didn't seem to be any spite or malice in your post.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 05:39 AM
I was taken aback. I also saw how young you are. Keep on playing and keep on smiling.....






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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 07:37 AM
sometimes silly misunderstandings get blown up way out of proportion on the 'net compared to the 3D world where we humans are designed to communicate with our faces/voices first and foremost. This was a nice post.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 07:42 AM



I was not offended at all my friend,


Not when at work I stand in a room of African Americans and they use the word "Black Folks" and "white folks" and I do to. It's a Southern thing here....nothing wrong with it.

I never saw the big deal in the thread anyway.........

Forget about it........

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 07:43 AM
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Nice post.

I believe I read the post to which you are referring, and while I admit did a double take when I read it, I ultimately concluded that you probably did not mean anything bad by it and I personally was not offended.

But some folks are more easily offended than others, and I admire you being proactive and apologizing just in case.



same exact setiments- well done

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 07:57 AM
I'm pretty "fly" for a white guy.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 08:16 AM
To be honest........


I have had Black Men and Women at work get offended by being called "African Americans"....I remember one old Dude said "I'm not from Africa, I'm a Black American".

Also there was this Gay Dude(Tony) I hired. We were all in the Drivers are and some guy mentioned something about Tony(who was black) being"Gay". Then a "Mr. Political Correct" got all upset and started an argument with the Dude.

To which Tony replied to Mr. Correct "Are you Gay"

Mr. Correct "No..I'm not"

Tony "Then how would you know what offends me ?, let me fight my own battles, which there was none...Tony did not get offended"

Later Tony asked me "Why do some White people get offended over things that would not bother a Black or Gay man". To which I replied...different people take things different, it's they way folks are"

I don't know it all, but over the years I have hired hundreds of people and I have learned a lot by listening to them. Some good, some bad.

[Edited on 12/14/2007 by OldDirtRoad]

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 08:17 AM
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I'm pretty "fly" for a white guy.



I bet you are

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 09:07 AM
I'm glad you guys all understand. I was not being racial to anybody, I live in the country, and thats kinda how we talk here. I should use better grammar though online, because It may offend people by accident. I am glad that you guys understand, believe it or not, that kept me up last night. So thank you, for not giving me a hard time over a mistake that I won't make again.

Micah

[Edited on 12/14/2007 by bluesky12]

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 11:04 AM
This is a nice post, Micah. I originally did a double-take on your comment, also, but think it's a cultural thing (and living in a PC world). It shows sensitivity and maturity on your part in addressing things so well. Don't let this spoil your sleep tonight! Oh - and keep playing!

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 11:17 AM
Micah, you're 14 years old and most of us aren't expecting the world from you. I think it's pretty impressive that you know how to post your own pictures, not to mention playing a guitar. I admit I didn't see your comment as flattery. You could say the comment was a little insensitive but let's all just try to live in the REAL WORLD where people misspeak or when they are even sometimes a little offensive. Political correctness simply permeates all facets of our society these days and that sucks. But as long as you were not speaking in a condescending manner to a group of people and as long as you are not speaking from a mean spirit then I don't know why anyone would worry about your comment. I say offensive things all the time. I don't really mean to offend usually but DAMN, I talk a LOT at times. I'm bound to offend a lot of folks. I don't like walking on EGGS and I don't recommend it to anyone. Try to treat each other with respect. I try to treat folks according to the content of their character, be they Black, Brown, yellow, lily white, etc.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 12:16 PM
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I'm glad you guys all understand. I was not being racial to anybody, I live in the country, and thats kinda how we talk here. I should use better grammar though online, because It may offend people by accident. I am glad that you guys understand, believe it or not, that kept me up last night. So thank you, for not giving me a hard time over a mistake that I won't make again.

Micah

[Edited on 12/14/2007 by bluesky12]



I wanted to point that out to the people here also. Instead of sounding like Mr."I know everything"

I was raised in the Country by Country "folks", actually in Douglasville Ga. I lived on the "Other side of the railroad tracks". Which during the 60's and 70's was known as the "Black" side of town....although some folks refered to it in a much harsher term.

My Grand Parents were good people, they did not use the "N" word. Although most of our neighbors did. Although I had 3 or 4 white friends to play with, most of my friends were black. That was no problem to my family at all.

I still remember this group of old white men that lived in our neighborhood, I was around 8 or 9. It went sort of like this :

"Son I seen those colored boys in your yard"

"Yes Sir"

"Do you mean to say that your Granddad allows them coloreds to come into his yard ?"

"Yes sir and they can come into my house also"

"Well Kenny you know your Grandad is a good man, But I can't understand why he would let a bunch of "N's" hang around on his property, much less come into his house. All the old white guys kind of shook their heads in disgust.

With that I walked off and went home and told my Grandparents. My Grandaddy said "Well those guys are pretty good fellows, but their ignorant about some things and thats one of them." He said "People are people no matter what the color of their skin is and you be friends with whoever you want to be friends with".

But I was raised using the word "folks" for everyone, and I still say it. I'm not gonna say I never used the "N" word in my life. But it's a word that's not used in my vocabulary now. Because to me it does sound ignorant. I don't even like to hear Black people use it towards each other...even in Rap music.

My Mom still laughs about this. I was a little boy....living at my grandparents........

She came home one day from work, and I was playing with a lot of little Black Children....when she pulled up in the driveway....all of them were touching my head. she thought that we were fighting. What was really happening was they were touching my hair and saying "ooh..Kenny Babb has got the softest hair..I wish my hair was like that." You have to remember this was the 60's.

One of my good friends that I played sand lot ball with as kid was Terry Harper, who later went on to play with the Atlanta Braves. Terry was older than me...he was a good person.

When we played sandlot ball...all the white and black kids would meet at the field. We would have so many people that we would have to make 3 or 4 teams. Some parents of white kids would not allow them to play. It's sad that folks were and still are that way.

One time there was a "poor peoples" March from Alabama to Atlanta...folks rode on horse and buggies and run down old cars. They made a stop in Douglasville to camp out for the night. Since we lived on the other side of the railroad tracks, Some people asked my Grandpa if they could camp on his propery...to which he said "Yes". That also pissed off some neighbors..but "Daddy" never cared. He was a big Man and no one messed with him.

So if any of you took offense to me taking up for Micah...I kind of figured he was a country boy.

Some of you are from up North, some of you were raised different than me. I was taught to respect and be polite like you were. But I also look at some things different, just as you do. I meant no disrespect to any of you...and I surely don't think I'm a better person.

One thing I have seen during my years of hiring people at the courier company, that has really surprised me. Is the racist views some Black Americans have against Nigerians(or Africans) and vice versa. I have heard some of the cruelest vicous words and arguments spoken against each other. It really blows my mind.


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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 04:02 PM
Thank you Kenny, and Lolasdeb, I'm glad you feel that way.... I think I had a mishap with you in the past, and I thought you hated me or something.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 04:37 PM
No hating here, Micah - that's not my way.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 06:51 PM
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Micah, you're 14 years old and most of us aren't expecting the world from you. I think it's pretty impressive that you know how to post your own pictures, not to mention playing a guitar. I admit I didn't see your comment as flattery. You could say the comment was a little insensitive but let's all just try to live in the REAL WORLD where people misspeak or when they are even sometimes a little offensive. Political correctness simply permeates all facets of our society these days and that sucks. But as long as you were not speaking in a condescending manner to a group of people and as long as you are not speaking from a mean spirit then I don't know why anyone would worry about your comment. I say offensive things all the time. I don't really mean to offend usually but DAMN, I talk a LOT at times. I'm bound to offend a lot of folks. I don't like walking on EGGS and I don't recommend it to anyone. Try to treat each other with respect. I try to treat folks according to the content of their character, be they Black, Brown, yellow, lily white, etc.




I'm offended that Dean didn't capitalize Yellow or Lily White.

 

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Micah, you're 14 years old and most of us aren't expecting the world from you. I think it's pretty impressive that you know how to post your own pictures, not to mention playing a guitar. I admit I didn't see your comment as flattery. You could say the comment was a little insensitive but let's all just try to live in the REAL WORLD where people misspeak or when they are even sometimes a little offensive. Political correctness simply permeates all facets of our society these days and that sucks. But as long as you were not speaking in a condescending manner to a group of people and as long as you are not speaking from a mean spirit then I don't know why anyone would worry about your comment. I say offensive things all the time. I don't really mean to offend usually but DAMN, I talk a LOT at times. I'm bound to offend a lot of folks. I don't like walking on EGGS and I don't recommend it to anyone. Try to treat each other with respect. I try to treat folks according to the content of their character, be they Black, Brown, yellow, lily white, etc.




I'm offended that Dean didn't capitalize Yellow or Lily White.



Me too....LOL !...your crazy Ron...no wait a minute...I am.

I think we should boycott Dean's post until he makes a formal apology to the Yellows and Lily Whites.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2007 at 10:36 PM
Lol

 

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