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  posted on 12/4/2007 at 05:35 PM
any one been watching this mini-series on the SciFi Channel.

As 'the Wizard of Oz" is my favorite movie, I didn't think I would like this reworking of the story"
But to my surprise I am enjoying it. Dorothy is now DG an edgy gal from the Farm, Uncle Henry and
Auntie Em are replace by robots. The Scarecrow is a zipperhead with his brain removed. the cowardly lion
is now a psychic and the Tin Man a tough ex-cop.

The Wicked Witch, one of the all time greatest movie villains, is now DG's sister, a sexy bitch with an attitude
and evil flying monkeys flying out of her bosom. Who thought she had already killed her little sister long ago.
The Good Witch of the North becomes Their fairy Queen mother. Imprisoned by the Evil Daughter.

I been diggin it, The First episode is online at http://www.scifi.com/tinman/

parts 2 and 3 air tonight on the SciFi channel.

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  posted on 12/4/2007 at 05:40 PM
Have you read "Wicked"? might be right up your alley.
 

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  posted on 12/4/2007 at 05:48 PM
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Have you read "Wicked"? might be right up your alley.


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  posted on 12/4/2007 at 05:59 PM
New twist on old story....here the Good Witch is 'bad' and the Bad Witch is 'good'... a couple of reviews below.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060391448/ref=dp_proddesc_2?ie=UTF8&n =283155

Following the traditions of Gabriel Garca Marquz, John Gardner and J.R.R. Tolkien, Wicked is a richly woven tale that takes us to the other, darker side of the rainbow as novelist Gregory Maguire chronicles the Wicked Witch of the West's odyssey through the complex world of Oz -- where people call you wicked if you tell the truth.
Years before Dorothy and her dog crash-land, another little girl makes her presence known in Oz. This girl, Elphaba, is born with emerald-green skin -- no easy burden in a land as mean and poor as Oz, where superstition and magic are not strong enough to explain or to overcome the natural disasters of flood and famine. But Elphaba is smart, and by the time she enters the university in Shiz, she becomes a member of a charmed circle of Oz' most promising young citizens.

Elphaba's Oz is no utopia. The Wizard's secret police are everywhere. Animals -- those creatures with voices, souls and minds -- are threatened with exile. Young Elphaba, green and wild and misunderstood, is determined to protect the Animals -- even it means combating the mysterious Wizard, even if it means risking her single chance at romance. Even wiser in guilt and sorrow, she can find herself grateful when the world declares her a witch. And she can even make herself glad for that young girl from Kansas.

In Wicked, Gregory Maguire has taken the largely unknown world of Oz and populated it with the power of his own imagination. Fast-paced, fantastically real and supremely entertaining, this is a novel of vision and re-vision. Oz never will be the same again. --This text refers to the Hardcover edition.

*****
YA?Elphaba, the future Wicked Witch of the West, has gotten a bum rap. Her mother is embarrassed and repulsed by her bright-green baby with shark's teeth and an aversion to water. At college, the coed experiences disapproval and rejection by her roommate, Glinda, a silly girl interested only in clothes, money, and popularity. Elphaba is a serious and inquisitive student. When she learns that the Wizard of Oz is politically corrupt and causing economic ruin, Elphaba finds a sense of purpose to her life?to stop him and to restore harmony and prosperity to the land. A Tin Man, Cowardly Lion, Scarecrow, and an unknown species called a "Dorothy" appear in very small roles... The story presents Elphaba in a sympathetic and empathetic manner-readers will want her to triumph! The conclusion, however, is the same as L. Frank Baum's. The book has both idealism and cynicism in its discussion of social, religious, educational, and political issues present in Oz, and, more pointedly, present in our day and time. The idealism is whimsical and engaging; the cynicism is biting. Sometimes the earthy language seems appropriate and adds to the sense of place; sometimes the four-letter words and sexual explicitness distract from the charm of the tale. The multiple threads to the plot proceed unevenly, so that the pace of the story jumps rather than moves steadily forward. Wicked is not an easy rereading of The Wizard of Oz. It is for good readers who like satire, and love exceedingly imaginative and clever fantasy.


 

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  posted on 12/4/2007 at 06:31 PM
No cable here, but I DL'd it... hope to watch it tonight... if I ever get out of work...

I'm pretty excited about it too...

 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 07:43 AM
is it just me or does the lion remind you of Jimmy Herring...?

 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 09:21 AM
I watched it and enjoyed it.
The references to the movie and staying somewhat "close" to the
spirit of the book was good.

If you are a fan and don't know about 'Wicked', you should really
look into it. Took my wife to see the play after she read the book
sometime ago. It was good.

One question though, both my wife and I can't seem to figure out
why it was called "Tin Man". Any thoughts on that?

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 09:37 AM
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One question though, both my wife and I can't seem to figure out
why it was called "Tin Man". Any thoughts on that?


not that there needs to be a reason... (and I've only seen the first installment), but how big a roll does the tin man play...? Maybe he will save the day in the end or something... or is it about the redemption of his family being tortured and killed?

 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 10:02 AM
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One question though, both my wife and I can't seem to figure out
why it was called "Tin Man". Any thoughts on that?


not that there needs to be a reason... (and I've only seen the first installment), but how big a roll does the tin man play...? Maybe he will save the day in the end or something... or is it about the redemption of his family being tortured and killed?



Well, all DG's friends play a big part. The Tin Man a little more than the rest, but in the end, it is really about DG rediscovering her past and herself, and setting her sister and family free. With a little help from her friends.

And then it just kind of ended ...

 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 11:23 AM
I had wondered what had happened to Toto in this story. But toto turned out to be a shape changing Tutor (tutor = toto)
That changes from a man to a dog and back as needed.

I really enjoyed this mini series much more that I thought I would.

Thanks for the suggestions on the "Wicked" book, THink I'll give that a read also.





 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 11:27 AM
I'll be honest. I watched it primarily because Alan Cumming was in it. My cousin worked with him on Broadway when he was in Cabaret and so most of the family has met him and we keep an eye out on what he's doing. So, that's what got my interest at first.

I liked the concept of the movie and they had some really good moments but I felt they never rose above the "made for tv" level. The Tin Man turned too "Indiana Jones" on me and DG flat out annoyed me. I can't put my finger on it. Maybe the actress was too old trying to play young. I don't see a reason for the character needing to be 19 or 20. She easily could have been late 20's and not so wide-eyed and innocent. Her gosh o golly lack of experience felt contrived to me. I understand her memories were erased and this was all discovery for her and all that jazz...but still. It didn't feel right. I felt no sharp edge to her character unless riding a motorcycle late to work fits the bill. Being called "DG" rubbed me wrong, too. No reason, it just sounded silly to my ear every time someone said it. Deeg, would've worked better. Small things, maybe, but a bunch of small things add up. And they did.

I thought the ending would have DG and the TinMan's son hooking up for the real fairy tale ending but as stated, after much drama...the thing just ended. Flat. Not that I would have necessarily liked the fairy tale ending, but I thought they would've throw that in.

Give Tim Burton and Johnny Depp this concept and a big screen and I think they would've really made the movie I think this had potential to be.

Speaking of those two..the trailers for Sweeney Todd have me very interested!!

Anyway..I went back for the 2nd and 3rd night's so it had my interest enough to tune in. It just didn't deliver as I thought it would.

Bias aside, Alan Cumming as zipper head was pretty funny. He IS a character. And the evil sister was pretty good at being such. The other actors? Eh.

John Wott....I'd recommend reading Wicked.






 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 11:29 AM
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One question though, both my wife and I can't seem to figure out
why it was called "Tin Man". Any thoughts on that?


not that there needs to be a reason... (and I've only seen the first installment), but how big a roll does the tin man play...? Maybe he will save the day in the end or something... or is it about the redemption of his family being tortured and killed?


in the end it diverges back to the Wizard of Oz story line, Toto leads DG's companions to the entrapped DG
they all storm the Witches Castle, The witch gets melted, etc. The ending was a bit predictable but I still
enjoyed it very much.




 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 11:30 AM


Original space monkey ?

 

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  posted on 12/5/2007 at 11:38 AM
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Bias aside, Alan Cumming as zipper head was pretty funny. He IS a character. And the evil sister was pretty good at being such. The other actors? Eh.

Jeanne - funny you mentioned Alan Cumming. I've always loved his off the wall performances. Including, but not restricted to, The Anniversary Party (ah - that hair and sari look...) and of course, Reefer Madness: The Movie Musical.

 

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