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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 12:18 PM

Before Artimus Pyle gets the SH!T kicked out of him, I'd like to offer up a TRUE story that I have of working with kids.


In my first year of driving a school bus I almost got in a LOT of trouble. I was running an elementary route and I had some rowdy kids. I had a brother and sister, African Americans, who were trouble makers. In fact, almost all of the kids on that elementary route were black. Ok, the two kids had already been a lot of trouble on the bus before I took over the route. One day I had to pull the sister off of another girl when a fight broke out. That incident went on a referral and eventually it got to the point to where the kids would be off of the bus for the rest of the year if they got another referral.


Well one day before Spring Break I was being silly and I told the kids on that route that if they didn't behave I would make it ran every day during Spring Break. One kid asked dumbfounded about how could I do that. I responded "If I told you that I'd have to kill you." And after I said that I said, of course I am KIDDING and that is just something that people are saying these days. Maybe it came from the X Files???


Well the two kids continued to be idiots on the bus causing all kinds of trouble. When I threatened a referral they said they would tell their parents that I THREATENED TO KILL THEM. Well push came to shove and I eventually, perhaps a MONTH later, wrote one or both of them on a bus referral.


The next thing I knew I was downtown explaining myself to a clerk with the STATE ATTORNEY'S office. I had to MEET with the mother and her husband, who was NOT the father because he was WHITE. And the thing is my FATE was left to the discretion of the MOTHER and to CLERK. The matter was dropped and I CERTAINLY didn't write either of the two SWEET children up on refferal again.


I changed ROUTES at the end of the year.




Just don't tell me that Artimus Pyle couldn't get PHUCKED over by the court system, or by some child, or some vindictive mother.


Gene Odom said in Freebirds that it was "Not the Artimus that I know" in response to what happened to Artimus.


I am just saying it really HELPS to know how DANGEROUS it can be simply BEING AROUND young children these days.


And let me be CLEAR, the matter was DROPPED, the matter about me "killing" anybody. I made a JOKE and some JERK kid played it for all it was worth.






 

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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 12:31 PM
Wow that really sucks...

Good thing everything cleared up, but still, you should have been able to give those kids a referral as many times as they needed it.

 

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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 01:11 PM
Well, you do have to be careful what you say to kids since they are, in fact, not adults. Those policies, though they seem silly and ridiculous, are there to protect kids because people in the past said things like that and weren't kidding.

What difference does it make if they were black or white?

 

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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 01:12 PM
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Well, you do have to be careful what you say to kids since they are, in fact, not adults. Those policies, though they seem silly and ridiculous, are there to protect kids because people in the past said things like that and weren't kidding.

What difference does it make if they were black or white?
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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 02:03 PM
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Just don't tell me that Artimus Pyle couldn't get PHUCKED over by the court system, or by some child, or some vindictive mother.
As Ringo says, "Yes, I'm certain that it happens all the time."

 

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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 06:10 PM

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What difference does it make if they were black or white?




Well the REALITY of the situation WAS lone white guy transporting kids that were black. It happens all the time that the white guy will probably have to be DAMNED careful since he is outnumbered. The fact of our times is that the RACE CARD is played blacks against whites, unless perhaps you lived in that mostly white Lousiana town where nooses where hung from a tree. And most of us know that story.

And whites don't burn down their cities rioting against blacks, not to my knowledge.



IF IT MAKES ANYONE FEEL BETTER I AM HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH MY MOSTLY WHITE HIGHSCHOOL SCHOOL BUS KIDS. THE KIDS GVING ME PROBLEMS ARE WHITE MALES. ONE GIRL SAID HIS MOTHER WORKS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD. A PERSON WITH CONNECTIONS COULD GET YOU IN MAJOR TROUBLE OVER ALMOST NOTHING. BUS DRIVERS ARE A DIME A DOZEN.

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS SUCKS!!


 

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Well, you do have to be careful what you say to kids since they are, in fact, not adults. Those policies, though they seem silly and ridiculous, are there to protect kids because people in the past said things like that and weren't kidding.





I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE HERE. MY COMMENT WAS JUST MEANT FOR FUN, BUT I SAID IT TO A TROUBLE MAKING CHILD. NOW I KNOW HOW SERIOUS A COMMENT LIKE THAT CAN BE AND SINCE I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE NIGHTLY NEWS I AM MORE CAREFUL THESE DAYS.






 

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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 06:37 PM
quote:Just don't tell me that Artimus Pyle couldn't get PHUCKED over by the court system, or by some child, or some vindictive mother. More quotes: As Ringo says, "Yes, I'm certain that it happens all the time."


There are a lot of selfish and self centered, unethical creeps around these days.

I attribute it to too much TV and not enough formal education, lack of an ethical and/or religious upbringing and the media's constant portrayal of the "get what you want and get it now," behavior and mentality.



And there there are people who aren't like that and sometimes life is fair. I do try and remind myself of that as well.



Sorry about your problem. Glad it is in the past. I hope the same for Artimus and for the child involved in the situation.

 

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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 07:56 PM
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THE KIDS GVING ME PROBLEMS ARE WHITE MALES. ONE GIRL SAID HIS MOTHER WORKS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD. A PERSON WITH CONNECTIONS COULD GET YOU IN MAJOR TROUBLE OVER ALMOST NOTHING. BUS DRIVERS ARE A DIME A DOZEN.






Are you driving vinsanity's bus?


His mom is the school board president.

He's told us many times.

 

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  posted on 11/30/2007 at 08:42 PM
Weren't some of the ladies here looking for a new bus driver?

I thought I saw something about that.

 

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What difference does it make if they were black or white?




Well the REALITY of the situation WAS lone white guy transporting kids that were black. It happens all the time that the white guy will probably have to be DAMNED careful since he is outnumbered. The fact of our times is that the RACE CARD is played blacks against whites


Are you saying if the kids were white, their parents wouldn't have taken you to court or are you saying if the children were white, you wouldn't have threatened them with death?

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Work with Kids and GO TO JAIL. It's a REAL risk


Bollocks, you don't go to jail for working with kids.

 

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What difference does it make if they were black or white?




Well the REALITY of the situation WAS lone white guy transporting kids that were black. It happens all the time that the white guy will probably have to be DAMNED careful since he is outnumbered. The fact of our times is that the RACE CARD is played blacks against whites


Are you saying if the kids were white, their parents wouldn't have taken you to court or are you saying if the children were white, you wouldn't have threatened them with death?

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Bollocks, you don't go to jail for working with kids.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2007 at 03:26 AM
Thanks for chiming in there photoguy. Glad you were able to put together such an intelligent reply.
Keep up the good work.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2007 at 09:37 AM
you weren't worth staying awake to reply to.

 

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I apologize to any Black and or African Americans, or anyone else who may have been offended by my thoughts in this thread. It is simply very upsetting when any children, whether solo or working together, DISTORT and EXAGGERATE something that an adult has done.


The point here WAS that the black brother and sister KNEW that I had never been SERIOUS and that I had simply made a JOKE. Everytime I told those kids to BEHAVE after the joke which was ------ "If I told you that I'd have to kill yoiu" ------- they threatened me with DISTORTING the comment in such a way to save their own little butts.


Anyway, as far as BLACK or WHITE, Male or Female, Green, Yellow, Pink, whatever the human flavor might be, most of us know what POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is and most of us know how to use comments against another person. I had some woman at my job lay into me recently over a comment that I had made almost two months before. I had voiced the opinion that I really had NO INTEREST in the women where I work, for the purposes of DATING. So the woman stewed on my comment and one day lashed out at me because she RESENTED my comment. The comment was not SEXIST, nor was it aimed at her in personally. So I got into an argument with the woman because she had jumped all over me for NOTHING. I did not even know the woman's name. The next thing you know her nephew threatens me saying he will report me to the office. This 23 year old KID dreamed up some NONSENSE saying that I SEXUALLY HARASSED his AUNT. I never got closer than five or six feet from the woman. I made NO sexual comments. I did not CUSS the woman. The incident was reported and I had to speak to my manager about it. The manager seems to have understood that the 23 year old boy was simply trying to get me in TROUBLE as he SAID HE WOULD DO. The boy said "I'll get you FIRED."

It's all a bunch of horse manure if you ask me.


I had to learn after the fact who the woman was who went CRAZY all over me. It's luck for me that I wasn't working in an office environment. I have virtually NO contact with the woman. We don't park at the same bus lot, and the boy parks at another lot. The B!TCH was telling me that I owe her RESPECT because she has been driving for 17 years. If I had INSULTED HER with a comment about HER then she might have been insulted. She merely WANTED to jump my case because she thought that she could. And my company like many others takes an accusation of SEXUAL HARASSMENT very seriously. If you worked where I work you'd know how PATHETIC some of the people can be always trying to get others in trouble, etc. I work with a lot of UNHAPPY WOMEN and some men to I suppose. I try very hard to steer clear of the women at work who act in such a JUVENILE fashion.


My FRUSTRATION over the brother/sister discipline problem was unpleasant to say the least, I could have been ARRESTED, and it's all too easy to group people by race or ethnicity and to RESENT some of those folks. I drive MANY young Muslim children to the elementary school. The kids are very good natured, pleasant and likeable. I see the Muslim women at the bus stop wearing their flowing gowns. It's nice to see another side of the Muslim world other than the one we see constantly portrayed in the news. One the news we have suicide bombers, terrorists, death, rage, religious lunacy, and then I know these really cool Muslim children and their mothers. The Muslims I know at my bus stop make me wish that I could get to know them better. They seem to be such nice mellow and well behaved people. Yes, I know how closed their culture may be to outsiders, but looking from the outside as I do I can't help thinking that so many of them look quite happy. I don't know how many of the mothers work or what they do, but my contact with them leaves me with a very positive impression. They seem lilke really nice folks and most of these parents are the parents of my Kindergardeners. Man those Kindergardeners are so much fun at times. They're so small and cute and friendly, HAPPY. It'll put a SMILE on your face making you feel that the other BS was all worthwhile.





 

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  posted on 12/2/2007 at 01:42 PM
Sorry about what happened to you, Deano- the joke was probably a bad idea but meant nothing, and the kids took advantage. That said, I have no idea why you brought anything racial into this discussion or what any of it has to do with Artimus Pyle, who plead guilty to some sex offenses years ago.

There are some risks in working with kids, yes. I'm told that men in particular get mistrusted, which sucks.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2007 at 01:49 PM
Maybe you should look into another occupation. You seem stressed. How about driving the bus for the senior center or something?
 

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  posted on 12/2/2007 at 06:20 PM
Pyle pled guilty in 1993 to charges involving two sisters ages 4 and 8. This would seem to be more than just a misunderstanding, or a 'vindictive mother'.

His most recent arrest is because he failed to register as a sex offender in Florida, and he has no one to blame but himself for this one. He knew the terms of his probation, and failed to register.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2007 at 08:15 PM
Dean I have to say...

I'm really enjoying all of these stories you tell.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2007 at 10:45 PM
"A child is a reflection of their parents" one of my favorite quotes.

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There are some risks in working with kids, yes. I'm told that men in particular get mistrusted, which sucks.
I have been working with kids for many years now and yes there are risks. What I have been seeing a lot more of in the past year or so is more males getting into the day care business at centers. These guys are wonderful working with the kids and have the college degrees to go along with the job. One part time preschool teacher I know is one of the best preschool teachers I have ever met! He has a wonderful personality, great with the kids and while he goes to college still and is paying his loans, he is only on payroll for 8 hours a day and does 2 hours volunteer work.

 

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  posted on 12/3/2007 at 12:00 PM
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Pyle pled guilty in 1993 to charges involving two sisters ages 4 and 8. This would seem to be more than just a misunderstanding, or a 'vindictive mother'.

His most recent arrest is because he failed to register as a sex offender in Florida, and he has no one to blame but himself for this one. He knew the terms of his probation, and failed to register.





Well I didn't know there were TWO girls. Look, perhaps I have defended a a GUILTY man. If Artimus Pyle ever put his hands on a child sexually then he deserves to be treated with all of the DISGRACE that comes with it.

HEY, I'D NEVER PURPOSELY DEFEND A CHILD MOLESTER. PERHAPS I WAS MORE DEFENDING POOR BUS DRIVING SLOBS, TEACHERS AND OTHERS IN EDUCATION WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH LYING CHILDREN AND PARENTS WHO NEVER WANT TO SEE THEIR OWN CHILDREN PUNISHED.



BlueSky, here's another story for you. Two years ago we had a special education driver, a very nice old white haired man, who was blamed by someone for something. Someone said that bus driver put his finger in a child's mouth while the child was sleeping. I remember that the so called abused child was suppossed to have behavior problems anyway. I know the man couldn't drive that elementary run for a while or something like that. The driver retired the next year. He was DISGRACED in front of EVERY driver, EVERY person that heard this accusation. The driver was later allowed to drive the route again with that same child.



And you know part of training is to keep your PALMS UP if you put a child into a seat belt. If you palm was to ever brush a crotch it could be construed as TOUCHING, GROPING, etc. I told a mechanic that I require my kindergardeners to wear seatbelts. I told him sometimes I have to put the seatbelt on the child. He told me I was "BRAVE" to do such a thing.




Also, we cannot really put hands on any child to break up a fight. When we do we can be SUED and held liable for touching such fighting children.






 

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