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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 05:16 PM
Say it aint so!
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8T5KDU00.htm

 
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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 05:53 PM
The market is flooded with bikes now, and that includes the custom bike market. Everybody and his brother has a custom bike shop now. I don't plan to trade mine in anytime soon. I owe about $3500 on it, and when it's paid for, I'm gonna ride it 'til the wheels fall off. HD has PLENTY of my money.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 06:02 PM
I'd just hate to see them go down..HD is an American institution and a symbol of American freedom.
K, getting off my soap box now.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 06:14 PM
Times do change, I remember the waiting lists and deposits, dealers held for a year or longer, back in the 90s, and the over MSRP prices people paid if they did not to wait..

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 06:14 PM
Harley is not in danger of closing at all.

No need to feel sorry for them. They had a gross profit of $591,400,000.00 over the past 3 months.

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/071102/hog10-q.html

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 06:17 PM
Yes, the article sounds as though they have cut back some but are not closing the doors. Profits are down so perhaps "NOW" is the time to buy...

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 06:29 PM
Match race; my old Honda Steet 90, vs. anything ya got.


All I ask for is a little head start....

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 08:05 PM
La motocicleta. Espanola por "motorcycle". First came the Mexican Strat. Could a Mexican Harley be far off? Aye caramba!

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 09:14 PM
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First came the Mexican Strat. Could a Mexican Harley be far off? Aye caramba!
I'm not sure if the younger guys will remember this but Harley was once owned by the Japanese.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 09:20 PM
Wasn't AMF a Canadian company? I guess they could put a spin on it and call it Harley-Davidson Internatioinal.

 

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  posted on 11/27/2007 at 09:31 PM
Funny this subject has come up. I bought my first bike in 1992. I gave the dealer a thousand dollars and waited six months before it came in. And on Monday I stopped by the dealership to buy a Christmas present, and noticed a particular bike on the showroom floor. The owner called me today and said he would knock off a thousand dollars from MSRP and deliver it to my house.
I have to say I took a little bit happiness in saying no.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 07:25 AM
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La motocicleta. Espanola por "motorcycle". First came the Mexican Strat. Could a Mexican Harley be far off? Aye caramba!


If there half as good as my MIM Strat, just Ride! Ride! Ride!

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 07:43 AM
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First came the Mexican Strat. Could a Mexican Harley be far off? Aye caramba!
I'm not sure if the younger guys will remember this but Harley was once owned by the Japanese.


Um, no AMF ( Amercican Machine & Foundry - also owned Voit, Brunswick brands ) owned Harley from 1969 tio the leveraged buyout by the execs in 1981. Also not a Canadian company.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 07:45 AM
Mornin Y'all! To add a little to the York plant/deer hunting part of the article, I heard somewhere, can't recall the source, that in years past the plant had a large absentee rate from employees goin huntin durin this same time frame. Heard the union fully approved this temp. shutdown.
I don't think Harley is goin anywhere soon, just a little fluctuation in the numbers. I came real close to buyin a Street Glide last fall, but decided to hold on to my '96 Ultra Classic a little while longer. There's somethin about it bein paid for that feels purty good!

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 10:46 AM
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La motocicleta. Espanola por "motorcycle". First came the Mexican Strat. Could a Mexican Harley be far off? Aye caramba!


Here in our county we had a big John Deere Plant, then it moved south of the border and now is called Juan Deere. John Deere is as American as Harley. I Hope that doesnt happen. I know for a fact, that the folks over in Asia are now starting to have major labor issues. In Hong Kong and China factories are closing down daily. So, maybe eventually the saying "all points of light" will be aiming back at the US.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 11:44 AM
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Match race; my old Honda Steet 90, vs. anything ya got.


All I ask for is a little head start....
If I still had my 1970 Honda 50.I'd take you on!

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 02:51 PM
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Match race; my old Honda Steet 90, vs. anything ya got.


All I ask for is a little head start....
If I still had my 1970 Honda 50.I'd take you on!





Ahhh the old QA-50 I believe it was called. I remember a friend of mine had one of those before he got that automatic 90. That was around 1969-70. We pulled some part out of the muffler on that thing (baffle maybe) and that thing to us, made it sound like a harley.....
We called it the Harlette. We had so much fun on those bikes.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 04:20 PM
I live up the road from Harley, local TV newz sez all employess must take a mandatory 1 week furlough without pay but no loss of benefits.It seems they are always having labor problems there, management would prefer to be union free.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 04:28 PM
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La motocicleta. Espanola por "motorcycle". First came the Mexican Strat. Could a Mexican Harley be far off? Aye caramba!


Louis Bombardier's (inventor of the snowmobile and all things Ski-Doo) is rolling over in his grave Bombardier moved a bunch of manufacturing to Mexico from his native Quebec. Money Money Money!!!!

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 04:37 PM
I've heard of other manufacturing businesses which require a yearly mandatory furlough without pay (have a friend who works for John Deere and he's off each December). Believe business looks at it as a chance to sync up supply and demand in addition to the fact that saving one months salaries practically across the board creates a large cut in operating expenses for their last quarter. For those in the right financial place this would be great - short leave with benefits still intact (especially around the holidays when things tend to get crazy anyway).

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 04:50 PM
lolasdeb, I can understand a scheduled furlough, but this caught Harley employees by surprise, especiallly during the holiday season when people might need that exrtra money. Harley and Hershey Chocolate are 2 of the biggest employers in this area and they treat their employees like $hit.Corporate greed rules I guess.

 

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lolasdeb, I can understand a scheduled furlough, but this caught Harley employees by surprise, especiallly during the holiday season when people might need that exrtra money. Harley and Hershey Chocolate are 2 of the biggest employers in this area and they treat their employees like $hit.Corporate greed rules I guess.
Sorry to hear that this was a 'surprise' for Harley employees, playallnite. I agree - if workers were not aware of things then this would be WORST possible time of year to have your pay docked. I work for a large corporation - so far, so good but I'll tell you what ... can't wait until the day I'm able to retire ... I'll be breathing a big sigh of relief.

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 07:35 PM
Harley retail sales are down everywhere in the US. Many of the dealers are laying off employees to compensate for slow sales this time of year. The showrooms are loaded with bikes. The auction prices are still very high due to so many overseas buyers taking advantage of the weak dollar.

It has become very difficult to make a living selling Harleys in the secondary market today due to the lack of profit potential with the market flooded with bikes.

I can remember the days when the dealer might have one or two bikes in stock to show the customer. There were waiting lists and some bikes production was sold out for the year as soon as it was announced. Other cases involved the customer having to have a Harley trade in order to buy a new one. Those days are long gone as production has increased 10 fold with 4 plants. The Harley dealership has become an accessory and t-shirt store today and bikes have become secondary as far as profits are concerned.

When profits were down last year the factory raised the prices on replacement parts to make up the difference. They nearly doubled the prices on many of their replacement parts. I was buying factory Harley replacement frames for just over $900. After the Harley union workers strike and price increase early last year the price of the same frame went up to $1540 wholesale. The gas tank emblems nearly tripled in price last year.

The York and Milwaukee plants run 24 hours a day with 3 shifts. These are the most sought after jobs in both of these cities. The workers are very well taken care of.

As long as I can ride I guess I'll continue to be involved in the industry one way or another. Nothing like jumping on that bike and taking off to an unknown destination with the wind at your back and the leaves rustling on the trees beside you as you head down the road forgetting about any worries or problems as you leave the world behind............

Bob Seger summed this feelin up best with his song "Roll Me Away"

Took a look down a westbound road,
Right away I made my choice
Headed out to my big two-wheeler,
I was tired of my own voice
Took a bead on the northern plains
And just rolled that power on

Twelve hours out of mackinaw city
Stopped in a bar to have a brew
Met a girl and we had a few drinks
And I told her what Id decided to do
She looked out the window a long long moment
Then she looked into my eyes
She didnt have to say a thing,
I knew what she was thinkin

Roll, roll me away,
Wont you roll me away tonight
I too am lost, I feel double-crossed
And Im sick of whats wrong and whats right
We never even said a word,
We just walked out and got on that bike
And we rolled
And we rolled clean out of sight

We rolled across the high plains
Deep into the mountains
Felt so good to me
Finally feelin free

Somewhere along a high road
The air began to turn cold
She said she missed her home
I headed on alone

Stood alone on a mountain top,
Starin out at the great divide
I could go east, I could go west,
It was all up to me to decide
Just then I saw a young hawk flyin
And my soul began to rise
And pretty soon
My heart was singin

Roll, roll me away,
Im gonna roll me away tonight
Gotta keep rollin, gotta keep ridin,
Keep searchin till I find whats right
And as the sunset faded
I spoke to the faintest first starlight
And I said next time
Next time
Well get it right

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 07:57 PM
this is very odd...a friend of mine just built a multi million dollar building for his Harley dealership in Lathrop, Calif. Just opened up ! Don't know how this jives with what others are saying. Guess he's an exception. Profits are down perhaps ? at least a profit is to be made still. The trend of custom bikes will fade when people realize that they really are nothin but overpriced piece's of junk. In five years we'll see how kewl they think it is when the thing breaks down and they can't find the builder or figure out how to fix it themselves. my .02

 

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  posted on 11/28/2007 at 08:00 PM
Interesting response, Matt - nice hearing about things from somebody who is closer to what's going on. And I love the following...
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Bob Seger summed this feelin up best with his song "Roll Me Away"

Took a look down a westbound road,
Right away I made my choice
Headed out to my big two-wheeler,
I was tired of my own voice
Took a bead on the northern plains
And just rolled that power on ......

 

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