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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 10:48 AM
I really am not much a fan of it.

My favorite year is '72. Also the Pigpen stuff.
I honestly don't mind the screech owl period.

But '79 on ... just not doing anything for me.


 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 11:30 AM
I have favorites form each era but my I love the Workingmans Dead and American Beaty Americana period the most.

With that said though there are MANY MANY Brent era shows/moments that I just loved.

9-2-1980 which is represented on the Dicks Picks Vol 21(as bonus material) is very good Brent era dead IMO
space>iko iko, Morning Dew>Sugar Mag

Richmond Va 11-1-85 Dicks Picks VOL 21 is a very strong show IMO of course

The Cold Rain and Snow, stagger Lee, Me and My Uncle, Brown Eyed Women, Jack Straw in the first set are all wonderful

The second set is a smoker from beginning to end though

Samson and Delilah, High time, He's Gone>Spoonful>comes a Time>Lost Sailer>Drums>Space>Saint of Circumstance>Gimme Some Lovin'>She Belongs to Me>Gloria, Keep Your Day Job

Brent Dead at it's finest

 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 11:47 AM
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I really am not much a fan of it.

My favorite year is '72. Also the Pigpen stuff.
I honestly don't mind the screech owl period.

But '79 on ... just not doing anything for me.





I've got to agree with this statement. I've been listening to lots of Grateful Dead lately and this era just doesn't compare to earlier lineups. Obviously Jerry's deteriorating health had a great deal to do with this. I don't really mind Brent's singing so much but his keyboard playing is too "chimey". I know that is a lousy description but I can't find the words to describe his playing or why I don't like it. More and more, I have been loving the Pigpen lineup.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 12:02 PM
since you are 72 fan you HAVE to check out 9-19-72 Baltimore, MD

fantastic show!

Tennessee Jed, Mexiaclli Blues, China>Rider close out set 1

Playing in the Band, Casey Jones, Truckin', Loser, Jack Straw, Miss half-step>Me and My Uncle>He's Gone>The Other One>Sing Me Back Home Sugar Mag, Uncle johns band!!!!!

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 12:14 PM
Totally disagree.
Take a tune like Warf Rat - definately missing something without Brent's organ.

Jerry deterioting?

Check out '85 and '87 and the fall tour from '89.

Particulars that come to mind:

10/11/83 MSG Chinacat>Rider
9/11/83 Senta Fe Chinacat>Rider
BOTH these shows from Sante Fe 83.

Scarlet>Fire night from Greek 85

Shakedown. Dew, Good Lovin'>labumba>Good Lovin' MSG '87 show.

Hartford 87 Birdsong (far and away one of the best played and another example of a tune that was far better in the Brent era) This whole show, well tour too.

Frost 85

Hampton 89.

Bredon Byrne 88 Scarle>Fire set and the first set from April fools the next night - Deal! ANOTHER tune that was far better in the Brent era - I'll take a nice 5 minute ripping Jerry solo as a crecendo over Donna screaming Dontyoulet that dealgodown! for 5 minutes evertime.

Then there are the Brent tunes - Gimmie Some Love'n - Check Frost 86 to open the show (Gimmie some, Dancin, Never Trust a Woman, Aiko to open the show)
Hey Pockey Way - Check Frost 88 Pockey Way> Stranger to open the show.

While we're at it the Truckin'>Spoonful>HIghtime Set show opener from Nassau 85 rips as does the Chinacat that closed this first set.

Although I love the 70's Shakedown St's - particularly the Miricle>Shakdown of Springfield 79 - It's pretty tough not give first prize to Merriwether 85's Shakedown - Brent holds sime nice synthizes notes which pushes Jerry into playing the China>Rider transition peak jam in the middle of Shakedown. That is one smoking Shakedown.

Obvioulsy I could go on but I think you guys are making a mistake dismissing the Brent era Dead (one more Death Don't Have No Mercy Hampton 89!). Tunes like Deal, Warf Rat, and Minglewood to name a few are just flat out better with a B-3. They NEVER ripped Scarlet Fire in the 70s like they did in the late 80's (Check Hampton 88) ....
... Brent Dead is some of the best is all I'm saying.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 12:34 PM
Brent rules!


 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 07:35 PM
Lossless Legs is wrapping up their '79 series, so grab some shows while you can at

http://www.shnflac.net/

79 is the feature in the newly released "Road Trips" series, but the shows Lossless Legs is getting to now (the go in chronological order) are from this Fall '79 era. The Philly 11/6/79 show is just great as are 12/1 and 12/3. Happy Thanksgiving!

 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 10:26 PM
I gotta say that summer 89 through summer 90 are some great shows. Check out Dozin at the Knick, or the Down Hill From Here DVD. Great stuff. Brent was really solid on the backround vocals and B-3. Jerry was healthy in that era also. They sounded really good. It's kind of bummer to think what could have been if Jerry and Brent took care of themselves.
 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 10:58 PM
Hey Tommy how the hell are ya? Happy Thanksgiving.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2007 at 11:07 PM
Right back at ya, Palm Head.

Thanks again for hooking me up with those Phil tickets. It turned out to be the surprise show of the year for me and my friends. We knew it would be good but not THAT good !

Phil's bass in the Nokia was insane.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2007 at 07:31 AM
The Grateful Dead always had a keyboard player, and each player utilized his keyboards differently. The early Dead sound (1966-68) with Pigpen was made on a Vox Continental organ, which gave the music a "squeeky" psychedelic sound. Pigpen was always very loud and clear in those early shows. In 1968, Tom Constanten was brought in, and he used the Hammond B-3. His style was very "swirly" psychedelic sound. I think his work on "Dark Star" at Woodstock epitomizes his sound very well. After TC left, Pigpen was back on organ, but most of the time you could barely hear him.

In 1971, Keith Godchaux came on board, and from 1971-1972 he seemed to solely utilize a grand piano. This really changed the sound from deep psychedelia to a more honky tonk country sound (IMO). I never really liked this type of piano in the GD, no matter who was playing it. In 1973-74 Keith started using an electric piano for some songs, and I feel this electric piano really made his work sound more interesting, and helped this period's exploratory jams really well. However after the hiatus in 1976, he played another type of electric piano which wasn't very loud or as interesting.

When Brent started in 1979, most of his keyboard work was done on a fender rhodes piano and organ. There was very little synthesizer ever used, although he did have one onstage. In 1982, as the disco era was phased out, he moved on to a more artificial sounding electric piano. This didn't seem to last too long. By 1984-86, as the modern GD sound really took hold, Brent used a piano with this really unique "staccatto" sound. Then it seemed in 1986 or 1987 he started using another piano sound which he used until his end.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2007 at 02:22 PM
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Bredon Byrne 88 Scarle>Fire set and the first set from April fools the next night - Deal! ANOTHER tune that was far better in the Brent era - I'll take a nice 5 minute ripping Jerry solo as a crecendo over Donna screaming Dontyoulet that dealgodown! for 5 minutes evertime.


I hear ya axeman-that April Fools day was my first Dead show-16 & trippin balls.
Maybe I'm biased because I started seeing the Dead during the Brent years,but he's still my favorite Dead keyboardist.Not just his playing,but that incredible voice!I can definately see people preferring Pigpen,& my favorite studio/songwriting is from the 70s,but not Keith/Donna live.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2007 at 04:19 PM
That sure was a fun night.

These days if there's a new episode of Law & Order on I'm as giddy as a spinner.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2007 at 05:40 PM
I always liked Brent - live and on recordings. Two collections I like are Without A Net and Dozin' At The Knick - both while Brent was with band. Sometimes he and Jerry could get a real groove going between piano and guitar with their 'water' music and I've heard Brent sound pretty good vocally, too.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2007 at 05:41 PM
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That sure was a fun night.

These days if there's a new episode of Law & Order on I'm as giddy as a spinner.


Lol I hear ya!SVU is my gig

 

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  posted on 11/23/2007 at 05:59 PM
Count me as a fan of the Brent era...Just a Little Light and Blow Away were good songs...

 

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  posted on 11/23/2007 at 06:07 PM
I've never been a fan of the Dead. But I just finished reading Phil Lesh's book and it's kind of got me interested is getting a couple Pigpen era shows.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2007 at 09:03 PM
If you are looking for good Pig Pen Dead, Skull **** is a great album. I love the Big Boss Man on that album. One of my favorite Dead albums ever.

On the Pig Pen note, see if you can find the "Brooklyn Bridge Wrap" Good Lovin'.

It is fantastic.

"That's a girl??" BAM. "I thought that was..the Brooklyn Bridge!" ........

 

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  posted on 11/25/2007 at 09:28 AM
I'm a huge Brent fan. During his time with the Dead the vocal harmonies live were at their best...he had a wonderul raspy voice, and he was capable of some great vocals.

His piano playing was excellent as well, he could keep up with Jerry when needed...check out the summer 1989 & '90 shows to see how much he'd progressed since he joined the band.

For example, the ChinaCat-Rider from Deer Creek July 18th 1990 features some excellent piano playing from Brent during the jam between the shows.

 

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