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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:21 PM
So, can any of you remember the last time either Mule or the Bros. have performed "Kind Of Bird"? I was just listening to my Mule at Roseland CD last night when the tune came on. I cannot believe that I had actually forgotten about that one. What an amazing tune! Pure jazz by Warren and Dickey, I love it! I wanna hear the Bros. do this one, as I bet Derek would absolutely KILL it!

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:34 PM
Yeah, this is the #1 request I've had for the Brothers to bring back. However, Butch said recently that it's hard to play so it's not that fun to play, which makes me think they might not ever do it. That's too bad because this lineup really caters to that kind of song.

I've been wondering if the current lineup of The Mule has played it myself. They play so much variety, it's hard to keep up with it all. I'd love to hear that as well.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:38 PM
Mulebase.com shows that Kind of Bird has not been played since Woody's death.

Last time played was 8-11-2000, just weeks before the Woodshed's passing.

Woody owned this song.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:40 PM
The Live Archive here says

Jan 22, 1992 Japan

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:44 PM
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Mulebase.com shows that Kind of Bird has not been played since Woody's death.

Last time played was 8-11-2000, just weeks before the Woodshed's passing.

Woody owned this song.


By Gov't Mule.

The versions that mule were doing of this song from 1995-2000 were just sick. The acoustic versions are really cool.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:49 PM
Man, I would kill to hear the Bros. do this....or, dTb maybe (hehehe)?

I bet Karl D would lend greatly to this song. Come on Mule, bring it back!

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:49 PM

Gov't Mule @ Sisko's On The Boulevard, Taylor, MI July 20th, 1999


ALL ACOUSTIC SHOW!!!!!




Gov't Mule
Sisko's On The Boulevard
Taylor, MI
July 20th, 1999

John The Revelator
Life Before Insanity
It Hurts Me Too
Kind Of Bird
Suffer
Little Wing
32-20 Blues
I Shall Return
She Said, She Said
I Shall Be Released
She Caught The Katy
Sad & Deep As You
Afro Blue
Soulshine

Encore:
Hammer And Nails
End Of The Line

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:51 PM
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Yeah, this is the #1 request I've had for the Brothers to bring back. However, Butch said recently that it's hard to play so it's not that fun to play, which makes me think they might not ever do it. That's too bad because this lineup really caters to that kind of song.


Great song - and yes I agree, this lineup would kill it!

I don't remember Butch ever having said that about "KOB" - being too hard and all. This band can play virtually anything they set their mind to. They have already played great versions of "Afro Blue" and "In a Silent Way". They also have written "Instrumental Illness' which is basically a swingin' Jazz composition in a similar vain as "Kind Of Bird, so it certainly could be done. I wouldn't bet against them bringing it back. I am drooling at the thought of Derek and Warren tearing it to pieces. Besides, all it would take is for Warren to walk into the Beacon rehearsals and say "Hey guys, lets try "Kind of Bird" this run". I am pretty sure the rest of the band would say "Okay Warren!" Warren always seems to have quite a positive influence on the guys. Great song, GREAT Band.

[Edited on 11/16/2007 by DuaneFan56]

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 12:52 PM

Gov't Mule Live in Water Street Music Hall, Rochester, NY, 14th May 1998





CD1: (69:31min)
1) John The Revelator ~
2) Thelonius Beck ~
3) Game Face ~
4) Rocking Horse ~
5) Donít Step On The Grass, Sam ~
6) Thorazine Shuffle
7) Intro Jam (Warren only) ~ Kind Of Bird
8) Monkey Hill ~ Sheís So Heavy Jam ~
9) No Need To Suffer ~

CD2:
1) Painted Silver Light
2) Birth Of The Mule
3) Pygmy Twylyte ~ Blind Man In The Dark ~ Drums ~ Blind Man In The Dark
4) Bass Intro ~ She Said She Said ~ Tomorrow Never Knows Jam ~ Norwegian Wood Tease ~ Mountain Jam Tease ~ Tomorrow Never Knows Jam
5) Mule ~ Iíve Been Working ~ Mule

Encore:
1) Afro Blue ( with Derek Trucks on guitar and Bill McKay on keyboards)


Warren Haynes: Vocals, Guitar
Allen Woody: Bass
Matt Abts: Drums

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 01:02 PM
BRING IT BACK!!! ABB, Mule, dTb...ANYBODY! Man, Mule used to KILL this tune!
 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 01:23 PM
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Yeah, this is the #1 request I've had for the Brothers to bring back. However, Butch said recently that it's hard to play so it's not that fun to play, which makes me think they might not ever do it. That's too bad because this lineup really caters to that kind of song.


Great song - and yes I agree, this lineup would kill it!

I don't remember Butch ever having said that about "KOB" - being too hard and all. This band can play virtually anything they set their mind to. They have already played great versions of "Afro Blue" and "In a Silent Way". They also have written "Instrumental Illness' which is basically a swingin' Jazz composition in a similar vain as "Kind Of Bird, so it certainly could be done. I wouldn't bet against them bringing it back. I am drooling at the thought of Derek and Warren tearing it to pieces. Besides, all it would take is for Warren to walk into the Beacon rehearsals and say "Hey guys, lets try "Kind of Bird" this run". I am pretty sure the rest of the band would say "Okay Warren!" Warren always seems to have quite a positive influence on the guys. Great song, GREAT Band.

[Edited on 11/16/2007 by DuaneFan56]


Butch mentioned in the 2004 XM Recreation of Eat a Peach how difficult Kind of Bird is to play. He was talking about how Dickey would often come into rehearsals with melodies he had written, and it would take Butch days to figure out the time signatures used.

Regardless, I would love to see them pull this one back out. Really, any of the old instrumentals that they don't play any more - KOB, High Falls, Pegasus, True Gravity...

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 04:54 PM
Yeah, and he did restate that here, or maybe it was in a PM a few years ago, about how it is a great song, but it wasn't necessarily that fun to play because it took a lot of concentration.

My opinion is that this lineup could pull it off with no problem, but I also know as a musician that if you're not into what you're doing, then it's not worth playing as much as I would love them to play it.

I also got to talk to Warren about this song extensively once, it was very cool what he had to say.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 05:14 PM
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I also got to talk to Warren about this song extensively once, it was very cool what he had to say.



So?? What did he have to say?

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 05:48 PM
Sorry... I got interupted.

Just that Dickey & he stayed up one night basically coming up with the idea after listening to some Charlie Parker records. And that they had a blast. It sounded like Dickey came up with a lot of the melody lines, but that Warren basically put it all together as far as arrangement, chord changes, harmonies etc. - But he said the problem was they only played it live for about a year or so because Dickey could never remember how to play it! This particularly bummed out Warren & Woody, which is why when they created Gov't Mule they added to their set so they could play it again. At that time, they didn't think the ABB would ever play it again. And I guess he was right, because they haven't. - This particular conversation with Warren was one of my first and it was back in 1998. I want to be clear on something. He stated a couple things about Dickey that can be perceived as negative, such as him not remembering how to play "Kind of Bird" because he never practiced outside of the band rehearsals. But he was very clear that they remained friendly and that his comments were completely truthful and not meant to be vengeful. But it was also clear that a lot of other people didn't necessarily have such good relationships with Dickey. Woody and Dickey were particularly not getting along at that time (they later did make up in early 2000). And Woody had some nasty things to say at that time, although they were quite funny. Woody was a very fun guy to hang out with and chat with. I miss him. Like I said, I did get to talk with Warren, Woody & Matt often for several years after that, even after Woody's passing. So I have had some great follow up questions answered pertaining to the rocky relationships that seem to create such craziness here. And I'm not trying to bash anyone, just saying what happened. In fact I have to say the first time I met those guys I was astonished about how open they were with someone like me as far as relationships, drugs etc. go. - Such down to earth people.

Anyway it's a great song.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 06:13 PM
for those who dig the jazzier stuff (and i do!)

gov. mule 9.22.99 georgia theatre

herring joins in on the jeff beck tune, freeway jam...john scofield on KOB (18:00 !!!)...and both on afro blue.

for a bnp:

it be closed

[Edited on 11/21/2007 by aiq]

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 06:17 PM
From Songfacts.com:

Written by Dickey Betts and Warren Haynes after listening to albums by jazz legend Charlie Parker. "Bird" was Charlie Parker's nickname.
The Allman Brothers play with 2 drummers, which help them pull off the jazz medleys on this.
This got a Grammy nomination for Best Rock Instrumental.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 06:31 PM
for the record i love this tune and all the others in this vein...but i don't hear any Parker in it or any Kind of Blue in it other than a general jazz inspiration.

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 07:36 PM
If I'm not mistaken, some of the Mule versions of KOB, including Roseland, have a "Salt Peanuts" tease. "Salt Peanuts, Salt Peanuts"
 

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  posted on 11/16/2007 at 11:18 PM
Does anyone remember the ABB playing this on the tonight show with Doc Severinson's horns? I think you can find it on youtube. Dickey told me during an interview that Parker was one of his influences and that playing "A Kind of Bird" on the the Tonight Show was a lot of fun.
 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 03:39 AM
part of the melody line in Kind of Bird is lifted directly from Parker's tune "Scrapple From the Apple." So Bird is definitely to be found in the tune...there is another diminished line that appears in the heads of both tunes...
 

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Butch mentioned in the 2004 XM Recreation of Eat a Peach how difficult Kind of Bird is to play. He was talking about how Dickey would often come into rehearsals with melodies he had written, and it would take Butch days to figure out the time signatures used.
That says a lot about Dickey's writing.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 09:58 AM
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Butch mentioned in the 2004 XM Recreation of Eat a Peach how difficult Kind of Bird is to play. He was talking about how Dickey would often come into rehearsals with melodies he had written, and it would take Butch days to figure out the time signatures used.
That says a lot about Dickey's writing.



Sure does...a song like Kind of Bird (or High Falls, or Liz Reed, you name it) definitely can't be easy to write.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 11:14 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh3DLgHMIK8

 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 11:26 AM
i was lucky enough to have a few good conversations with Woody in the '97 - '00 period, and what PauliG said.
coincidentally, the second-longest talk we had was a few hours before
the 9-22-99 show. Woody was nervous as could be about playing with Scofield, on Scofield material that they'd barely, and i mean BARELY rehearsed. of all the shows i saw Woody play, that night burns brightly in my memory as "heroic." it was among his finest hours. he stood at the center of a swirling maelstrom of talent - remember, Dr. Dan was in the band that night too, the entire set, holding the diverse players together, playing at 100% capacity, hitting on all 12 cylinders. what a night.

i don't often linger over shows i miss - you can't be everywhere all at once - but i'm grateful 10 years on that my wife encouraged me to make the 500 mile RT that night. i can still see it in my mind's eye, from the second row of the balcony, behind al booth & the dream peach taping, behind me a balcony full of twisty twirly coed hippie chicas making the balcony bounce. oh my...i can still see Scofield coming over behind Herring and leaning in to watch his fingering on some tune or another, moving his fingers along softly, a goggled, amused look on his face, about to take his turn and head even further into the stratosphere.

so...the show Aiq is so beneficiently offering remains, along with the amazing 9-28-98, my most-listened-to Mule show. two of Woody's finest hours.

i think my trip to the gym today will have to include that AWESOME "freeway jam." the moment they started that one, i had chills, i was thinking, 'it CAN'T be, i COULDN'T be that lucky..." AW: "give us a second to learn this thing and we'll play it for ya"

(as an aside, i was at a party out west a few weeks ago, and the band opened up with Cantaloupe Island, another favorite tune i'd never heard played live. what a joy. we're a pretty lucky bunch, i suppose. that band was Smallie Scott Stubblefield and Fiero.)

anyway, thanks for the nice thread, and the trip down memory lane.

[Edited on 11/17/2007 by ron_e]

 

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  posted on 11/17/2007 at 12:21 PM
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From Songfacts.com:

Written by Dickey Betts and Warren Haynes after listening to albums by jazz legend Charlie Parker. "Bird" was Charlie Parker's nickname.
The Allman Brothers play with 2 drummers, which help them pull off the jazz medleys on this.
This got a Grammy nomination for Best Rock Instrumental.



I think I read that his nickname was 'Yardbird' because of his fondness for chicken. It got shortened (as you noted) to 'Bird'. Still there was a group once that took the name The Yardbirds....wonder who they were?

 

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