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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 10:43 AM
Disclaimers: I'm not that keen on Yoko. Artistically John Lennon had more creativity than I believe she'll ever display. As a singer / songwriter / bandleader, he had no equal. However, as I've pointed out in another thread, I disagree vehemently with much of his politics and social views.

Yoko owns the rights to John Lennon's artistic output in its entirety, and legally has the right to do whatever she wants.

What exasperates me is that she's been coasting on his image for decades (since the late '60s). Her whole attitude reminds me of a thought attributed to Col. Tom Parker; allegedly he said he wasn't bothered by Elvis' death, since Presley was worth more to Tom dead than alive (or something like that).

Considering the image she's been working very hard to cultivate, this kind of escapade only sabotages it. And it isn't even necessary! She has the money and name already.

I'm not angry so much as baffled and perplexed. It's easy to say, but I think that if I had her resources, I'd likely steer them in different directions. But who knows?.....

Here's the link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311059,00.html .

Here's the story:

"Yoko Ono Did Sell Out John Lennon to JCPenney"
Tuesday, November 13, 2007
By Roger Friedman

"Yoko Ono did sell John Lennon’s rare home recording of 'Real Love' to J. C. Penney for a commercial.

"The spot began airing on Sunday night during ABC’s Brothers & Sisters before J. C. Penney could even make the announcement.

"The Beatles have had their songs licensed for commercials in the past, but with the rare exception of perhaps 'Revolution' years ago, they never have allowed master recordings out. The songs are always re-recorded.

"Ad agency Saatchi and Saatchi handled the deal, I’m told, with Ono directly. The much-disliked widow of Lennon has sold a number of items under her late husband’s name over the years, including glasses, art and an action figure. But using a rare, acoustic home recording — and a beautiful, haunting one at that — as the Christmas song for a department store seems particularly greedy.

"Ono, who should be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, prides herself on being a 'citizen of the world' who advocates peace. For years she’s promoted her own charity, The Spirit Foundation. But a check of the Spirit Foundation’s recent federal tax filings shows that Ono does a lot less for charity than one might have supposed.

"I know I always thought she did a lot more, given that — because Lennon died — Ono as his heir receives a larger portion of his and Paul McCartney’s songwriting royalties.

"But here’s the breakdown. From 2000 through 2005, Ono’s Spirit Foundation gave away only $2.6 million — a fraction of her enormous income. In 2005-2006, her donations were: $239,000 to Foster Plan Japan (to build school classrooms in China and Africa); $15,000 to Bailey House in New York City for people living with AIDS; $10,000 to a school in Harlem; and $30,000 to a small Los Angeles charity called Real Medicine Foundation.

"Ono also recently gave Amnesty International the rights to two dozen post-Beatle Lennon songs for an album of 'covers' by other artists ranging from REM and U2 to lesser-known names. The money goes to AI’s 'Save Darfur' campaign, but it’s not clear how much has been derived since Warner Music, the issuing label, has kept the project a secret.

"Still, the small cash outlay is a little surprising. While no one would question Ono’s generosity to these groups, it also seems like a few are missing. All this time I would have assumed Yoko Ono was giving money directly to Amnesty International, for example, and Greenpeace, as well as to record industry charities such as T. J. Martell and MusiCares.

"How about a worthy cause such as Elton John’s AIDS Foundation, Sting and Trudie Styler’s Rainforest Foundation, or a New York charity, for example, the Robin Hood Foundation? But maybe that’s what she’ll do with the J. C. Penney money. You never know."

Sigh!

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 11:03 AM
"Real Love"

Wasn't that on one of the Beatles Anthologies in the 90's?
That George, Ringo and Paul added music too?

I'd have to check, but it sounds familiar.

 

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Who does she think she is? Michael Jackson?

 

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 11:31 AM
Yoko is nothing more than a dispicable, conniving tapeworm still living off Lennon's corpse. Nothing she does surprises me. Hell, she's getting the last laugh- she's loaded and really doesn't appear to give a rat's ass what people think about her, all the while pretending to be meek and kind.
Hard to criticze her for her charity gifts- I don't come near what she's given, but I would wager by percentages of gifts vs income most of us have her beat.

I really don't have a lot of love for Lennon either. His music was great, but his political views hold about as much water as mine or any other average joe's. Shut up and play yer guitar John- and BTW- by wearing a communist hat, does that mean you're OK with Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot who did their best to kill as many people as they could?

 

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Yoko is nothing more than a dispicable, conniving tapeworm still living off Lennon's corpse. Nothing she does surprises me. Hell, she's getting the last laugh- she's loaded and really doesn't appear to give a rat's ass what people think about her, all the while pretending to be meek and kind.
Hard to criticze her for her charity gifts- I don't come near what she's given, but I would wager by percentages of gifts vs income most of us have her beat.

I really don't have a lot of love for Lennon either. His music was great, but his political views hold about as much water as mine or any other average joe's. Shut up and play yer guitar John- and BTW- by wearing a communist hat, does that mean you're OK with Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot who did their best to kill as many people as they could?


'Nuff said! Among those three (atheists all, just to stir up the kettle a bit ) they caused probably 80,000,000+ deaths (according to The Black Book of Communism).

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"Real Love"

Wasn't that on one of the Beatles Anthologies in the 90's?
That George, Ringo and Paul added music too?

I'd have to check, but it sounds familiar.




It was on the second one. People referred to PG&R as the Threetles. Also, some folks claimed it wasn't a true Beatles single, given its origin and completion. However, the three folks most qualified to call it one did so. In addition, there were a number of authentic Beatles songs with fewer than all four ("The Ballad of John and Yoko", which was only John and Paul) is probably the best-known example.

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"Real Love"

Wasn't that on one of the Beatles Anthologies in the 90's?
That George, Ringo and Paul added music too?

I'd have to check, but it sounds familiar.




It was on the second one. People referred to PG&R as the Threetles. Also, some folks claimed it wasn't a true Beatles single, given its origin and completion. However, the three folks most qualified to call it one did so. In addition, there were a number of authentic Beatles songs with fewer than all four ("The Ballad of John and Yoko", which was only John and Paul) is probably the best-known example.

Billastro


Yup. That's it.

Some of Harrison's material was only him (of the four) - "WithinYou, Without You" .
Let alone John never wanting to play on his songs after Revolver.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 01:11 PM
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Hell, she's getting the last laugh- she's loaded and really doesn't appear to give a rat's ass what people think about her

Why should she give a rat's ass what anybody thinks? People have been saying horrible **** about her, for any reason they could think of, for 40 years now. At the moment, the millions of dollars she gives to charity aren't enough for this guy because she still has money left over.

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and BTW- by wearing a communist hat, does that mean you're OK with Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot who did their best to kill as many people as they could?

If only John had weighed in with his thoughts on violence and revolution in any of his songs.

 

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All I can say is...it seemed as if John really,really loved her.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 03:07 PM
WTF

But I am NOT suprised.

Bitch.

 

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All I can say is...it seemed as if John really,really loved her.


As much as I disagree with a lot of what she does. I try to refrain out of respect for John.

He really, really did love her Kenny.

 

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All I can say is...it seemed as if John really,really loved her.


And that is all that matters.

I don't understand how those that loved John hate her so much

 

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As far as I know, Michael Jackson still owns the exclusive rights to all the Beatles Material. Hence "Revolution" used to sell Nike Sneakers all those years ago ( Douchebag, ahem, excuse me) So she owns the rights ( not surprising) to Real Love and Free As A Bird? Even with Paul, George and Ringo's input on them? This doesn't surprise me, really. I mean, when I think of JC Penney, I think of Peace, Love and the Finest Quality Music ( Rolls his eyes)
 

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Yoko is an easy target. John did love her very much and it appeared they were truly "soulmates." I'm not as generous as I should be not have I reached enlightenment. Don't hold your breath until I do either. Peace.

 

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And oh ! Something the Dalai Lama wrote in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution in an editorial really really struck home and took root with me..."Inner Disarmament"...letting go of our own fear, hatred, petty thoughts, jealousy, etc. Powerful stuff.

 

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As far as I know, Michael Jackson still owns the exclusive rights to all the Beatles Material. Hence "Revolution" used to sell Nike Sneakers all those years ago ( Douchebag, ahem, excuse me) So she owns the rights ( not surprising) to Real Love and Free As A Bird? Even with Paul, George and Ringo's input on them? This doesn't surprise me, really. I mean, when I think of JC Penney, I think of Peace, Love and the Finest Quality Music ( Rolls his eyes)


There's a difference to owning the copyright of a song and owning the recorded master.

"Free As a Bird" was credited to Lennon, McCartney, Harrison & Starr because it was not copyrighted before the Anthology project. Each of the songwriters publishing companies own a share of it.

"Real Love" was credited just to Lennon (because a demo was released in 1988 on the IMAGINE: JOHN LENNON soundtrack.

Yoko also, obviously, owns all the demo masters of Lennon (which were obviously not intended to be released). They have since been released and she can do what she wants with them.

Incidentally, most of the Beatles recorded masters are owned by EMI and/or Apple. The majority of the Lennon/McCartney (and early Harrison) copyrights (in the US only by the way) are owned by Sony/ATV (which I'm not clear as to whether Michael Jackson is still involved with that anymore).

 

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All I can say is...it seemed as if John really,really loved her.


And that is all that matters.

I don't understand how those that loved John hate her so much


Goldtopper said it best..

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Yoko is nothing more than a dispicable, conniving tapeworm still living off Lennon's corpse


But I totally disagree with the rest of his statement.

 

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As far as I know, Michael Jackson still owns the exclusive rights to all the Beatles Material. Hence "Revolution" used to sell Nike Sneakers all those years ago ( Douchebag, ahem, excuse me) So she owns the rights ( not surprising) to Real Love and Free As A Bird? Even with Paul, George and Ringo's input on them? This doesn't surprise me, really. I mean, when I think of JC Penney, I think of Peace, Love and the Finest Quality Music ( Rolls his eyes)


There's a difference to owning the copyright of a song and owning the recorded master.

"Free As a Bird" was credited to Lennon, McCartney, Harrison & Starr because it was not copyrighted before the Anthology project. Each of the songwriters publishing companies own a share of it.

"Real Love" was credited just to Lennon (because a demo was released in 1988 on the IMAGINE: JOHN LENNON soundtrack.

Yoko also, obviously, owns all the demo masters of Lennon (which were obviously not intended to be released). They have since been released and she can do what she wants with them.

Incidentally, most of the Beatles recorded masters are owned by EMI and/or Apple. The majority of the Lennon/McCartney (and early Harrison) copyrights (in the US only by the way) are owned by Sony/ATV (which I'm not clear as to whether Michael Jackson is still involved with that anymore).


Good post Pauli. As far as I know Jackson is still involved. Jackson acquired the Beatles song catalog in 1985 for $47.5 million, outbidding Paul McCartney. Jackson then sold a piece of his stake to Sony,creating a joint venture called Sony/ATV Music Publishing. It's worth somewhere around half a billion bucks.

Jackson, through Sony/ATV, owns all but a small selection of the Fab Four's compositions, including "Yesterday," "Let It Be," and "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" & "Free As A Bird". He does not own the actual sound recordings; those rights are held by EMI's Capitol Records.

Royalties can get complicated. Basically, Jackson and Sony receive a fee each time one of the Beatles songs is played on the radio or a Beatles album is sold. Industry royalty rates for song plays run under 10 cents I think, while rights holders earn a small percentage on each album sold. Don't quote me on this.

It ain't chump change: it add up to millions of dollars a year.

During Wacko's child molestation trial Jackson offered as collateral his 50 percent stake in the Sony partnership that holds the copyrights to the Beatles songs. The loans were also backed by Jackson's own music library and a partial deed on his Neverland Fruitcakeland Ranch. Technically Jackson defaulted on the loan payments..

When a debtor defaults or is about to default on a loan, terms are renegotiated. Another option is for the lender to sell the loan, and the collateral that comes with it, to another party. Bank of America sold the loans to Fortress Investment Group in New York.

I think this all means is Jacko's share is being mortagaged. If he pays off the loan, it's his catalog. I'm not sure who's getting the royalties. Hopefully not Plastic Jacko. (hmmmmm....Plastic Ono, Plastic Jacko.....some sort of weird karma going on there...)

Yoko ain't leaching nothing compared to WackoJacko......

 

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 10:08 PM
Exactly.

The last I heard, it was still in "limbo" due to Jacko's financial issues.

I would hope Paul is all over this if they become available again.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 10:17 PM
No, it is because Yoko is a bloodsucking leech.

period.

She has been riding John's coattials since the day they got together, and she is still doing it to this day.

 

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Whatever.

 

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All I can say is...it seemed as if John really,really loved her.


And that is all that matters.

I don't understand how those that loved John hate her so much


Shocking bitterness most likely born out of some deep rooted jealousy of Yoko, since she was close to the man they love. Safe to say that John doesn't give a rats ass about this and none of you have any right to bitch unless your last name is Lennon.

I have no qualms with Beatles songs in commercials because it is so widespread that I can't be outraged anymore. Call it selling out if you want but music is both art and business and it always has been. Think of it this way -- at least now when you're watching commercials you can hear a snippet of a good tune instead of listening to some muzak or irritating voiceover.


Most folks blame Yoko for the breakup of the Beatles. They see the influence she held over John and assume that she got John to go off on a different path. Truth is, Linda McCartney had more to do with it than anyone, persuading Paul to go with her family rather than be managed by Allen Klein as the other three Beatles wanted. Paul was the one that broke up the Beatles because the rest didn't want to go in the direction he was trying to pull them in. Listen to the 'Get Back' tapes. You can hear the tension.

Yoko's a scapegoat 'cause she's just less attractive than Linda....

 

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 10:42 PM
The way I see it, they started a nosedive ( not musically, mind you) after Brian Epstien died.
They seem like they were a rudderless ship.

It is amazing they made such fantastic music after that.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2007 at 10:46 PM
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What's the big deal?

Berry and Duane have been getting sold out for years and most folks don't seem to care.



Yes, but usually backstage passes are involved so no one minds.

 

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