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  posted on 11/9/2007 at 01:24 PM
Hey everybody,

There is a great interview with Carlos Santana up on Jambase right now, here's the link..

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/Story.aspx?StoryID=11942&pagenum=1

WARNING: Carlos talks a lot about spirituality in this interview, and if you're the kind of person who tends to think that his beliefs are a bunch of mushy New Age nonsense, you probably don't want to waste your time reading this. If you're like me and consider Carlos to be one of the most evolved humans on Earth, you will find it fascinating reading, guaranteed.

Here are a few choice quotes about Derek that I thought some would find interesting...

"My perception about where we are today is that this is the time where you... get to help ignite and activate light back into the brains of people... That's what Derek Trucks is doing. That's what we do because we both come from Coltrane. I know he listened to Coltrane a lot, and Coltrane's main function with his music is to awaken humans to a higher consciousness."

"I don't know if Derek wants to get on the radio. Some people don't want to get into radio. They want to stay, quote-unquote, pure. Miles didn't have a problem playing 'Human Nature' or 'Time After Time,' and Coltrane didn't have a problem playing 'My Favorite Things.' So, why should I get a little snobby and **** about thinking my stuff is too good to get on the radio?"

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  posted on 11/9/2007 at 01:58 PM
Carlos possibly trying to round up Derek for a spot on his next release ?

 

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  posted on 11/9/2007 at 01:59 PM
The one thing (well many too name here) is that Derek and Susan for that matter take music and breath new life into it. I then find myself going back to hear how the originals sounded. Every show with Derek is like a religous experience. You are awakened to new and inviting music each time you see him.

 

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Thanks for sharing the article, Rob. First off I'll go on record admitting that Santana has been on my list of favorites since first hearing his music in the late 60's and he's never come off the list. And I am another of the mindset that Carlos is a highly spiritual, evolved human being so I appreciate his beliefs. You asked for it, so I'll address some stuff that caught my attention...

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Your molecules obey the sound of divinity
Yes they do, if you keep yourself open.

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It's sunny even when it's raining when you hear those songs. To me, spirituality is very different than religion. I got to have it.
This is my feeling about certain music, also - it's like air. I've got to have it.

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For me, my reality or my perception of this reality is that any government or president who hears the voice of God and it tells him to go kill people is not God. It's Godzilla
Amen. My feeling exactly about those who would preach hate in the name of God or Christ. I'm not a believer in a vengeful God and I don't see where hate and persecution has anything to do with Christianity.

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You hit one note and everybody gets off their seats, they start looking at each other and then they got chills. You see women crying and laughing and dancing, and you go into this kind of holy revival
OMG! This has happened to me at a Santana concert. Dancing outside under the stars and becoming one with the music. Being moved to tears during certain achingly beautiful portions (Samba Pa Ti, Europa ...) or to joyful laughter (Life Is For Living, JingoBa ...) His music moves me and I'm grateful for having it present for most of my life.

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I'm actually craving to just get onstage with Derek Trucks
Since first hearing Derek it's been a dream of mine to hear him play with Santana. I think it would be a match made in heaven.



[Edited on 11/9/2007 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 11/9/2007 at 03:06 PM
Maybe Carlos will show up at the Beacon this year.

 

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Maybe Carlos will show up at the Beacon this year.


... with Clapton, fir sure

 

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Maybe Carlos will show up at the Beacon this year.


... with Clapton, fir sure


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  posted on 11/9/2007 at 03:43 PM
Thrilled to hear that the pendulum is swinging back in the direction of free and improvisational. That's Carlos at his best, without a doubt.
 

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  posted on 11/9/2007 at 03:50 PM
Hey Rob, Well, I'll thank you for the warning on the article. I am "the kind of person who tends to think his beliefs are a bunch of mushy New Age nonsense", so I never bothered opening it. Love the tunes, seen him in concert many times, some of them awe-inspiring, some of them WAY too much preaching. We've been through this before so I won't elaborate much, but to me he's another great musician who can really play, but as far as his world views, has kind of let it go to his head. His place in the music world does not qualify him to tell me how I should live my life. I guess some care to listen to that; I care to hear his finger pluck a guitar string, nothing more, nothing less.

 

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  posted on 11/9/2007 at 04:00 PM
Carlos came and saw the dTb in San Fransisco once about 2 years ago but did not sit in on stage.

I'd still love to see the Santana III verison of the "original" Santana do another album. Their first 3 records are among my favorites of all time. They came from different traditions but had a lot in common with the early ABB sound and approach. Hot 'Lanta sounds like something that could have easily been on Abraxas.

 

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Interesting comparison, Tim. I see a lot of similarities between Santana and the ABB, especially in terms of the many great instrumentals that both bands play. Both have 3 drummers, Carlos used to play a red SG that was much like Derek's, and the intensity and power in their music is matched by very few bands.

Some people are going to categorize Santana as "Latin rock" and the Allmans as "Southern rock," but to me they are both just great music that defies narrow boxes.

Rob, I'm glad I put the disclaimer on there If you don't enjoy Carlos' "preaching," I'm glad you can enjoy his music. I'm sure Carlos himself would say that's the most important part.

 
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  posted on 11/12/2007 at 09:05 AM
Thanks for sharing the fascinating article. I also am from the school of thought that Carlos Santana is an amazing musician and human being. IMHO, his sprituality is rooted in his culture. Different cultures have different connections religeon, sprituality, ritual, etc. The beauty of Carlos is that he has brought this level of connection to the masses. There is definatley something special about listening to him.

Here is a link to The Milagro Foundation, an org founded by him and his (ex?)wife.
http://www.milagrofoundation.org/default.asp

 

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Interesting comparison, Tim. I see a lot of similarities between Santana and the ABB, especially in terms of the many great instrumentals that both bands play. Both have 3 drummers, Carlos used to play a red SG that was much like Derek's, and the intensity and power in their music is matched by very few bands.

Some people are going to categorize Santana as "Latin rock" and the Allmans as "Southern rock," but to me they are both just great music that defies narrow boxes.

Rob, I'm glad I put the disclaimer on there If you don't enjoy Carlos' "preaching," I'm glad you can enjoy his music. I'm sure Carlos himself would say that's the most important part.




I was recently listening to Abraxus and heard a lot of similarities in Santana and The ABB's sound.

 

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Hey Rob, Well, I'll thank you for the warning on the article. I am "the kind of person who tends to think his beliefs are a bunch of mushy New Age nonsense", so I never bothered opening it. Love the tunes, seen him in concert many times, some of them awe-inspiring, some of them WAY too much preaching. We've been through this before so I won't elaborate much, but to me he's another great musician who can really play, but as far as his world views, has kind of let it go to his head. His place in the music world does not qualify him to tell me how I should live my life. I guess some care to listen to that; I care to hear his finger pluck a guitar string, nothing more, nothing less


Well said. I pay to hear the music and see the band. My interpretation is what is important to me, and if I find it spiritual in my way, great. For as much as I love Carlos and his career and respect his right to spirituality, well........play more talk less!

 

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WARNING: Carlos talks a lot about spirituality in this interview, and if you're the kind of person who tends to think that his beliefs are a bunch of mushy New Age nonsense, you probably don't want to waste your time reading this. If you're like me and consider Carlos to be one of the most evolved humans on Earth, you will find it fascinating reading, guaranteed.





Thanks for the Link..........but just wondering, How can Carlos be evolved at all , let alone the most ever if he cheats on his wife enough times to make Donald Trump look like a Homo?

 

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Interesting comparison, Tim. I see a lot of similarities between Santana and the ABB, especially in terms of the many great instrumentals that both bands play. Both have 3 drummers, Carlos used to play a red SG that was much like Derek's, and the intensity and power in their music is matched by very few bands.

Some people are going to categorize Santana as "Latin rock" and the Allmans as "Southern rock," but to me they are both just great music that defies narrow boxes.

Rob, I'm glad I put the disclaimer on there If you don't enjoy Carlos' "preaching," I'm glad you can enjoy his music. I'm sure Carlos himself would say that's the most important part.




I was recently listening to Abraxus and heard a lot of similarities in Santana and The ABB's sound.



No doubt........But I think it all can be traced back to Peter Green. Great time for music, thats for sure..........

 

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Thanks for sharing the article, Rob. First off I'll go on record admitting that Santana has been on my list of favorites since first hearing his music in the late 60's and he's never come off the list. And I am another of the mindset that Carlos is a highly spiritual, evolved human being so I appreciate his beliefs. You asked for it, so I'll address some stuff that caught my attention...

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Your molecules obey the sound of divinity
Yes they do, if you keep yourself open.

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It's sunny even when it's raining when you hear those songs. To me, spirituality is very different than religion. I got to have it.
This is my feeling about certain music, also - it's like air. I've got to have it.

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For me, my reality or my perception of this reality is that any government or president who hears the voice of God and it tells him to go kill people is not God. It's Godzilla
Amen. My feeling exactly about those who would preach hate in the name of God or Christ. I'm not a believer in a vengeful God and I don't see where hate and persecution has anything to do with Christianity.

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You hit one note and everybody gets off their seats, they start looking at each other and then they got chills. You see women crying and laughing and dancing, and you go into this kind of holy revival
OMG! This has happened to me at a Santana concert. Dancing outside under the stars and becoming one with the music. Being moved to tears during certain achingly beautiful portions (Samba Pa Ti, Europa ...) or to joyful laughter (Life Is For Living, JingoBa ...) His music moves me and I'm grateful for having it present for most of my life.

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I'm actually craving to just get onstage with Derek Trucks
Since first hearing Derek it's been a dream of mine to hear him play with Santana. I think it would be a match made in heaven.



[Edited on 11/9/2007 by lolasdeb]


That's all well and good. But I'm still waiting for a reply. If Carlos gets that much Good vibrations and gives that much as well...........if he clearly has connected into something , why does he feel the need to cheat on his wife? I'm not saying it makes him evil or anything, millions do it every day. But if he is as enlightened as you say why would he lie and make his wife feel as he has? Doesn't that show him to be full of it and no better then anyone else? Just a Rock musician playing Blues rock with a Latin twist. That's it. Its cool cool music. Why does all this have to be some kind of spiritual enlightening? Whats missing in your life that you need to make a God out of Carlos Santana?

He's nothing more then some Mexican kid who made good music. He cheats on his wife like everyone else in that circle and smokes a ton of dope. Nothing more nothing less.

 

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He's nothing more then some Mexican kid who made good music. He cheats on his wife like everyone else in that circle and smokes a ton of dope. Nothing more nothing less.


And Duane is nothing more than a redneck junkie who whores around... Please get off your high horse.


Absolutely. If you had some reading comprension you would see I said LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. That's my point. He is no different then anyone else............the only one up on a high horse is Santana. seriously..........the way you guys talk about him is scary. Very cult like.

 

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Absolutely. If you had some reading comprension you would see I said LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. That's my point. He is no different then anyone else............the only one up on a high horse is Santana. seriously..........the way you guys talk about him is scary. Very cult like.


Sorry my "comprension" is slipping these days............................................

There is a cult of personality that surrounds all rock stars, not just Santana. His odd religious beliefs no doubt contribute to this. But so what if people have quasi-religious experiences when listening to Santana? No one gets hurt. Why rain on the parade?

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Dancing outside under the stars and becoming one with the music. Being moved to tears during certain achingly beautiful portions (Samba Pa Ti, Europa ...) or to joyful laughter (Life Is For Living, JingoBa ...) His music moves me and I'm grateful for having it present for most of my life.


Does that really sound scary to you? It sounds beautiful to me.


Thats great if you take it for what it is. And don't tell me none of that is being reached without some sort of mind altering substance.......

Raising Carlos to Godlike status or ANY Rock muscian for that matter is scary . They crap once a day and bleed just like us. Nothing more and nothing less. Beautiful is letting LIFE move you and using the music to enhance it.

 

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  posted on 11/13/2007 at 12:55 PM
Well, 7turns28, since you quoted my post I guess you want some response from me. OK
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That's all well and good. But I'm still waiting for a reply.
reply to what?
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If Carlos gets that much Good vibrations and gives that much as well...........if he clearly has connected into something , why does he feel the need to cheat on his wife?
It's not my place to comment on how Carlos Santana or anybody else conducts their personal life. I take that back - if they were an ax murderer, child molester, or purveyor of some other type of violent crime against man I would probably have something to say. Otherwise what business is it of mine to throw stones? And how could I possibly answer a question about why he is compelled to behave this way or that? That would be a question for him.
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I'm not saying it makes him evil or anything, millions do it every day. But if he is as enlightened as you say why would he lie and make his wife feel as he has?
I have no idea what he does in his personal life, how he feels, what his wife does in her personal life, or how she feels. There is no possible way for me to answer this question. My comments were directed specifically at his music, which I have experienced, his history of philanthropy through his Milagro foundation, which I am familiar with, and his comments in the article, which I responded to based on my opinions and outlook on life.
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Doesn't that show him to be full of it and no better then anyone else? Just a Rock musician playing Blues rock with a Latin twist. That's it. Its cool cool music. Why does all this have to be some kind of spiritual enlightening?
I never indicated he was more spiritually enlightened than anybody, just that I felt he was an enlightened individual. That is my opinion and I am entitled to have an opinion just as you are entitled to have one. Clearly we have different ideas and outlooks on life - that's ok. You go your way and I'll go mine.
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Whats missing in your life that you need to make a God out of Carlos Santana?
Nothing missing in my life and I don't see where I made any Santana is God comment. I do not understand your question.

 

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Dancing outside under the stars and becoming one with the music. Being moved to tears during certain achingly beautiful portions (Samba Pa Ti, Europa ...) or to joyful laughter (Life Is For Living, JingoBa ...) His music moves me and I'm grateful for having it present for most of my life.
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Does that really sound scary to you? It sounds beautiful to me.
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Thats great if you take it for what it is. And don't tell me none of that is being reached without some sort of mind altering substance.......
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"don't tell me none of that is being reached without some sort of mind altering substance....... "

Sorry to rain on your parade, but I've had several profound spiritual experiences while playing music completely sober. It saddens me that you think you have to be on drugs to have a spiritual experience with music. On this website, of all places, I'd think people would know better.

Carlos says "Coltrane's main function with his music is to awaken humans to a higher consciousness." I would say that is the function of music in general, or at least good music. Heck, that should be the purpose of any art. If not, why bother?

 
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Sorry to rain on your parade, but I've had several profound spiritual experiences while playing music completely sober. It saddens me that you think you have to be on drugs to have a spiritual experience with music. On this website, of all places, I'd think people would know better.

Carlos says "Coltrane's main function with his music is to awaken humans to a higher consciousness." I would say that is the function of music in general, or at least good music. Heck, that should be the purpose of any art. If not, why bother?
My sentiments exactly, Rob. It's not about the drugs...it's about the MUSIC!

 

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  posted on 11/13/2007 at 01:28 PM
gaaah.....i just had this disk on this morning on the way to work and pert near started to cry....odd coincidence.

and no, i wasnt in some altered state, a beautiful thing is a beautiful thing no matter what

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