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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 03:13 PM
No body of work is perfect. There are many threads of desert island choices etc.
What honestly misses the mark on bands you dig? Some ABB fans may note Brothers of the road and Reach for the sky, I have actually never heard them so I can't comment.

The Who- Face Dances never worked for me, it missed that who vibe in my opinion.
Led Zepplin- I never truly connected with the live "Song remains the same" set.
Skynyrd- Gimme Back my bullets a couple of plays only.
Guns and Roses- The Spaghetti Incident-no comment.
Sabbath- Technical Ectasy- legend on in decline.

 
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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 03:51 PM
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Sabbath- Technical Ectasy- legend on in decline.


Not me. I love that album. It's one of my favorite ones by Sabbath.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 04:21 PM
VH3. Not really as bad a record as many claim, but more an EVH solo record than a "Van Halen" record. Also, the production sucked bad on that recording. And Eddie used a ton of bad and/or cheesy effects, such as the Sustainer and that really bad acoustic guitar sound coming from an electric guitar that doubled the electric guitar part. But still, hands down the worst "Van Halen" record.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 07:00 PM
Even the four Beatles made mediocre solo albums or worse (although the Beatles never did):

LONDON TOWN by Paul McCartney does contain some good songs (Cafe On The Left Bank, London Town, I've Had Enough, and With A Little Luck is a classic) but there is a lot of mediocre material on there. Back To The Egg, in my opinion is so much better.

SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY by Ringo Starr gotta be heard to believed. This was his adult contemporary/standards album which he "made for his mum." Nobody else could swallow it apparently.

TWO VIRGINS by John & Yoko doesn't contain any decent music because it's experimental. SOMETIME IN NEW YORK CITY, which was a true musical effort suffers from horrible Yoko compositions and too much horrible screeches on the Live Jam disc.

DARK HORSE by George Harrison was produced while he suffered from laryngitis, and contains some really harsh vocals. I suppose he should have waited until his voice sounded better.







 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 07:10 PM
Oh I forgot the amazing Frank Zappa who I revere stung me with "The Man from Utopia".
 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 08:10 PM
Couple of songs i think are 'klinkers'

I'm no angel - Gregg Allman
Ebony & Ivory - Paul McCartney

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 08:29 PM
Metallica - Load.

And it was all downhill from there.....

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 08:34 PM
In 1989, Jon Anderson, Bill Bruford, Rick Wakeman, and Steve Howe, of Yes released an album entitled Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman, and Howe. I got the CD for my 17th birthday that year, and I thought that was one of their worst albums. It kind of went downhill after that one.

[Edited on 10/28/2007 by jasonvancura]

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 08:36 PM
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Metallica - Load.

And it was all downhill from there.....



I agree. In 2003, Metallica released St. Anger and tried going back to their roots with that one, but it was horrible.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 09:08 PM
The Black Crowes: By Your Side. Calling that album fluff is an insult to fluff albums everywhere. Only Virtue and Vice saved it from being an 0 for 14.

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 09:33 PM
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Even the four Beatles made mediocre solo albums or worse (although the Beatles never did):
DARK HORSE by George Harrison was produced while he suffered from laryngitis, and contains some really harsh vocals. I suppose he should have waited until his voice sounded better.


I always thought it was "DARK HOARSE"

 

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  posted on 10/27/2007 at 11:31 PM
I did not like "By Your Side" when it came out, but lately I have liked it more. The singles ARE staggeringly poppy - isn't the producer one of the guys who helped Aerosmith become pop stars?

The Stones' "Dirty Work" is not good.

Deep Purple's 1987-1993 run of "House of Blue Light," "Slaves and Masters," and "The Battle Rages On" is a low point for that band, IMO.

I also did not like Neil Young's 1980's stuff like "Trans" and not even even "Landing on Water."

Yes's 1980s "Big Generator" and 1990s "Talk."

Genesis's "Invisible Touch." People who tell me that the "Domino" suite and "The Brazilian" sound like older Genesis are wrong, dead wrong.

The latter-day Band albums lack the effortless organic feel of the early albums.

Jimmy Page in The Firm!

The non-Dio / non-Ozzy stuff by Black Sabbath sure is hit or miss.

Rush's "Hold Your Fire."

The Robert Plant album with "LIttle by LIttle" on it, I forget the name.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 12:14 AM
ABB..."Reach for the Sky"

ABB..."Brothers of the Road"

Neil Young...several from the 80's. (cant even remember the titles)

Eric Clapton..."No Reason to Cry"

Eric Clapton...."Backless"

Eric Clapton..."Pilgrim"

Rod Stewart....everything from Atlantic Crossing (1975) to the present.

Marshall Tucker...."Tuckerized"

Marshall Tucker..."Just Us"

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 06:52 AM
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Couple of songs i think are 'klinkers'

I'm no angel - Gregg Allman
Ebony & Ivory - Paul McCartney

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I absolutely LOVE "I'm no Angel" The rest of the albums is somewhat weak and overproduced.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 07:11 AM
Oh yeah the zi'm no angel screams 80's. But that was the time.
 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 08:30 AM
Also the entire Elton John catalogue starting from A SINGLE MAN back in 1978. Some of which are:

VICTIM OF LOVE
JUMP UP
THE FOX
REG STRIKES BACK
SLEEPING WITH THE PAST
21 AT 33
TOO LOW FOR ZERO
BREAKING HEARTS
ICE ON FIRE
LEATHER JACKETS
THE ONE
THE BIG PICTURE
MADE IN ENGLAND

He should just stop making albums because they are all inessential. I feel that Elton John only had one good period of studio work, which does happen to be brilliant. That was from 1969 debut to 1975 Captain Fantastic era. Even within there, his 1970-1973 period is the best. Other than that, his studio career is just a bunch of klunkers!

 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 08:38 AM
Kiss - Crazy Nights
Van Halen - 3
AC/DC - almost any of them after Back in Black
Rush - Power Windows & Hold Your Fire
John Mellencamp - John Mellencamp

 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 09:09 AM
Pink Floyd- The Final Cut...................aaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!

 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 10:30 AM
R.E.M. -Any album after New Adventures in Hi Fi ( UP, Reveal, Around the Sun)

North Mississippi All-Stars- Polaris (What were they thinking?)

J.Geils Band - You're getting Even While I'm Getting Odd (The first one after they booted Peter Wolf...Horrible )

Black Sabbath -Forbidden (Tony Iommi's absolute low point in milking the band name. This one wrung it dry)

Eric Clapton- Pilgrim ("Look. I don't care if he's Phil Collins. Get him the hell out of this studio. Eric is a soulfull blues man, not a pop hack. What? Oh. Too late")...

Wishbone Ash - Locked In. After 5 great albums, this one came out. Except for the first track (Rest In Peace) this is totally unlistenable. Produced by Tom Dowd but it was not his fault. The band had no good songs coming in

Any album that says Jefferson Starship on it instead of the much more proper Jefferson Airplane...

With the exception of the self titled Jeffferson Airplane "Reunion" album from 1989. Oh boy. Was that one bad.....






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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 10:32 AM
Mr. D28guy-I'll give you the titles

Hawks and Doves
Re*Ac*Tor
Trans
Everybody's Rockin'
Old Ways
Landing on Water
Life
This Notes For You

Young has said that he removed his soul from his music during this time-and this is an artist that relies heavily on that aspect. He had deep family issues that needed his attention during this time. So in that light, if you understand the conditions these records were recorded under, you see how it fits.
One thing IMO that detract from these recordings is not Young's condition, but the production and the fact that they are genre exercises that he wasn't really suited for-for example, on his new album, there are some songs that sound like great country songs-but I think that's because they're 'unassumingly' country-not because it was 1983 and he said "let's make a country album" (old ways, which the first was done in '83, later changed for the released '85 version).


 

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ABB..."Reach for the Sky"
ABB..."Brothers of the Road"
Neil Young...several from the 80's. (cant even remember the titles)
Eric Clapton..."No Reason to Cry"

Eric Clapton...."Backless"-I always called this "Ball Less"

Eric Clapton..."Pilgrim"
Rod Stewart....everything from Atlantic Crossing (1975) to the present.
Marshall Tucker...."Tuckerized"
Marshall Tucker..."Just Us"

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 11:14 AM
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Couple of songs i think are 'klinkers'

I'm no angel - Gregg Allman
Ebony & Ivory - Paul McCartney


You aren't alone with your second choice. A recent BBC poll ranked the McCartney/Wonder collaboration as "the worst duet in history".

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/mccartney%20track%20tops%20wor st%20duet%20poll_1046023

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 11:15 AM
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Pink Floyd- The Final Cut...................aaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!


That's funny. I'd be tempted to put this in the "perfect" album thread.

Maybe I'll do so now, just to keep things interesting.

I'm not being sarcastic, either. My lifetime Floyd listening can probably be ordered like this, in terms of frequency:

The Wall
The Final Cut
Rhapsody in Pink*
Dark Side of the Moon
Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Meddle
Animals
Relics
Wish You Were Here
Soundtrack to Pompeii
Everything Else


*Import/Bootleg - one of those Roio's, as they call them. Full title is: The Screaming Abdabs, Rhapsody in Pink, the BBC Sessions. IMO, best versions ever of Atom Heart Mother, Embryo, and Careful with that Axe, Eugene.


But, back to the topic. I was thrilled when I heard that Yes would be releasing a new album with Jon Anderson on vocals, after sitting out for "Drama." Then I heard the first single, "Owner of a Lonely Heart." Man, was that disappointing. Then I heard "It Can Happen," and thought, well, there might be something here after all. I bought the album, and was quite happy with it. In fact, I like just about every track, except for "Owner of a Lonely Heart." So, there you go, band I love, album I love, with a klunker.

Fans of 90125 or Yes in general might want to dig for for 9012Live, "The Solos." Worth the price for "Whitefish" alone, IMO. Well, it was worth the price when I bought it on domestic vinyl for six bucks or so. Now that I think it's only available as a Japanese import, I don't know if I can still give it the same level of endorsement - I'd drop 25 or 30 bucks on it, but then again, I'm a Yes fanatic. 25-30 is about my limit no matter how supposedly "rare" something is. If it goes higher than that, I usually try to figure out how to steal it.

What it was was an EP with decent live versions of "Changes" and "Hold On" (my favorite track from the album), along with extended solos from each band member. Trevor Rabin's was okay, but kind of reminded my of EVH's Spanish Fly, e.g., an electric solo played on an acoustic. The jewel, as I mentioned, is "Whitefish," the drums/bass duet/battle between Alan White and Chris Squire. I'm no bass expert, but if I had to choose my favorite piece of bass playing ever, this would be it.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 11:20 AM
Personally, I loved Anderson, Wakeman, Bruford and Howe.


Klunker for me - pretty much everything the J. Giles Band did during their "MTV period". I know they had a lot of hits, but I just couldn't grasp them as a top-40 radio band. Feel free to disagree. I loved the J. Giles band, though.

 

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  posted on 10/28/2007 at 11:22 AM
[quoteAny album that says Jefferson Starship on it instead of the much more proper Jefferson Airplane...

With the exception of the self titled Jeffferson Airplane "Reunion" album from 1989. Oh boy. Was that one bad.....

[Edited on 10/28/2007 by les_paul_sunburst]


Not the first "version" of Jeff. Starship though, with guitarist Craig Chaquico and Pete Sears and David Freiberg sharing the bass/keyboard playing -- their first one, Dragonfly, is one of my favorite albums -- there was some excellent stuff on their next two as well, Red Octopus, and Spitfire -- the one after that though, "Earth" I didn't like as well

Agree about their 1989 comeback album -- big-time anticipation, it was with Jorma, Jack, Marty Balin, basically everyone from the original Airplane -- but didn't catch my ear in the slightest (wasn't that one called "Planes"?)

Jason mentioned the Anderson Buford Wakeman & Howe album from that year also, that one was sorta disappointing too -- saw their show though, and really liked that

Still another comeback clunker from that year (1989) that I was hugely looking forward to that left me totally flat was the Ten Years After reunion album "About Time." Bore no resemblance to their classic sound.

The Stones comeback album from that year, "Steel Wheels" was OK though -- liked that one.

ELP's last couple of studio efforts, "Black Moon" and "Hot Seat" didn't quite do t for me either --
Sometimes with these bands it's like you might be expecting too much -- sometime I'd like to give those ELP discs another try, it's been years -- maybe at the time I was comparing them to Tarkus & those first few albums -- that's not really the way to listen to an album.

I wonder what people think of Aerosmith's "Done With Mirrors" -- it was a comeback of sorts IIRC, but it seems to get dumped on pretty universally -- I didn't think it was that bad

 

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