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  posted on 5/12/2003 at 10:19 AM
Hi Butch,
If you're reading this: in the excellent Hittin' the Note interview with you and Tom Dowd, and the last thread in this Forum, you said you think the Mountain Jam that appears on Eat a Peach isn't a very good performance. I was surprised by this, and I'm probably not alone, since I imagine a lot of fans regard that one as the definitive version. I'm just curious - what is it that you don't like about this one?

 

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  posted on 5/13/2003 at 02:23 PM
That's a good point, and not particularly surprising, I suppose. Still, I'm curious. The comments in HTN were more pointed than those in the other thread.

 

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  posted on 5/13/2003 at 08:12 PM
Well Butch must have some mighty high standards! The EAP version just moves me! I've heard the band play it a number of times ( my ears have never heard a sub-par performance), but Duane's reprise/crecendo (or whatever) at the end of the EAP version just sends chills up my spine! I mean, for me it's every bit as stirring as a symphony performance.

 

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  posted on 5/28/2003 at 10:03 PM
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Duane's reprise/crecendo (or whatever) at the end of the EAP version just sends chills up my spine!


Yea Man! And in every direction, then goes to ground in your heart and tears at the strings.


I mean, for me it's every bit as stirring as a symphony performance.



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  posted on 6/1/2003 at 08:49 PM
It is a GREAT version...no matter what ANYBODY says...same goes for One Way Out...trust your own ears...
 

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  posted on 6/1/2003 at 10:08 PM
i always thought the one from Ludlow garage was pretty hot as well.
 
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  posted on 6/3/2003 at 08:33 AM
The Ludlow MJ is one of my favorites....as well as the version from 3/20/71....great stuff....

 

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  posted on 6/3/2003 at 03:01 PM
ditto on the ludlow's mountain jam.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2003 at 02:18 AM
Let's be frank for a moment. Has anyone ever heard a version that they didn't like? I don't think so. Maybe on a Metallica message board but not here.

 

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  posted on 6/21/2003 at 01:10 AM
That's a good point. Except for that time they did that Mountain Jam>Thriller>Nookie medley...

 

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  posted on 9/30/2003 at 10:51 AM
Ludlow's Garage is a very curious version in that it shows the early stages of the song's development. Certainly it's fun to listen to, but.... Compairing it to Filmore East, well... there isn't really a comparison. It's like saying "Jimmy was such a cute baby and look at him now! He's 25 and all grown up!"

 

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  posted on 10/4/2003 at 09:17 AM
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Let's be frank for a moment. Has anyone ever heard a version that they didn't like? I don't think so. Maybe on a Metallica message board but not here.


But I don't wanna be Frank. I just wanna be me.

 

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  posted on 10/4/2003 at 11:54 AM
I wanna be a dentist.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2003 at 08:36 AM
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I wanna be a dentist.


You wouldn't have happened to be in a band called Thunderhead would you?

 

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You wouldn't have happened to be in a band called Thunderhead would you?


No, not me.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2003 at 06:32 PM
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Ludlow's Garage is a very curious version in that it shows the early stages of the song's development. Certainly it's fun to listen to, but.... Compairing it to Filmore East, well... there isn't really a comparison. It's like saying "Jimmy was such a cute baby and look at him now! He's 25 and all grown up!"


Yeah, I feel that way about most of the songs. The earlier versions are always very interesting, and on their own are great, but then you hear what they did even only a few months later and there's just so much more there... That holds true today too. The earlier versions of "Rocking Horse" before they added the key change in the solos, were excellent, until you hear that new change, now it's hard to enjoy the earlier versions on that same level. - That's what good music does, it grows... I particularly love all Duane's last shows, those are really stellar moments...

 

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  posted on 10/11/2003 at 06:54 PM
heeehehehe......ronniedobbs make me chuckle.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2003 at 05:36 PM
Marley do you think Butch could come out and say something like, yeah we've done that a lot better when we all herald it? Could he actually come out and criticize their own music? I've only heard Gregg do that, and I only heard it once in regards to ABB music. He mentioned that the record co people were pushing them to put out music so they put out 2 albums because they were under contract and one of them wasn't very good, they just did it cause they had to. Which ones? Trivia time. Your hint is one of them was Shades of Two Worlds. (and I won't help ya cheat and tell you if that is the good one or the bad one). My two cents on the mountain jam issue is one of my favorite Duane riffs is in that version, and Derek left me speechless the first time I heard him play and it just came out of him (unintentionally).

 

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  posted on 10/16/2003 at 05:47 PM
That does appear to be what Butch said, yes- he said it was a bad version. I'm just curious as to why. Perhaps he's happier about the Atlanta Pop MJ? I haven't heard it yet, but people are raving.

If I had to guess about a bad album, I'd say one of the last two on Arista.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2003 at 09:05 AM
Enlightened Rogues has to be one of them.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2003 at 09:41 AM
You know that that Atlanta Pop CD won't get to my mailbox fast enough!!!! Am royally keyed about this release.

I like Enlightened Rogues -- maybe it's not a classic ABB album, but when it came out, ABB fans were definitely raving about it -- it may not have "aged" as gracefully as their other ones, but AT THE TIME it was a welcome return to high energy playing that maybe had been missing in the latter part of the Lamar/Chuck era. Dickey and Dan sound a little too similar on it, but overall I really love that album.
Just my two cents worth.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2003 at 06:05 PM
The Atlanta Pop MJ is a burner!! Some great interplay between Dickey & Duane after Berry's solo and an uptempo "Will the Circle" jam that cooks. What I miss though is the soaring slide Duane uses on the FE version. He seems to have put away his coricidan bottle at Atlanta.
 

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  posted on 10/19/2003 at 03:01 AM
Come to think of it, both Gregg and Butch have said bad things about Peakin' at the Beacon.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2003 at 07:17 PM
Speaking of Mountain Jam......I received my Atlanta Pop shows the other day.
It is a remarkable package of even more remarkable music.
The band is afire.....Berry exhorts the audience into the heat,
but no one is hotter than Duane....
Duane is as firey lit as ever on the 7/3/70 Pt.1 Mountain Jam.
His entire solo is incandescent.....but it explodes at about 6:00 in......check it out.......wow.......
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  posted on 10/23/2003 at 10:29 AM
I've really got to hear that thing.

 

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