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  posted on 10/21/2007 at 03:44 PM
According to the late artist, Keith Herring, Crack is Wack.
Being in the recovery community but being a little (ha) older than most of my peers, I see a whole lot of damage done due to the use of crack. Just wondering what the situation is out there in the rest of the country.
I see people who don't even enjoy the crap not being able to stop; sell everything they own and wind up in a cardboard box behind the grocery store. It is INSTANTLY addicting. For those who have any experience with cocaine (and so many of us do - specially those "back in the day", multiple the habit forming ratio by a 1000.
It is a killer.

[Edited on 10/21/2007 by Pastdreams]

 

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  posted on 10/21/2007 at 04:20 PM
Mayans don't have any addiction to chewing on the leaves of the plant.


The more concentrated and processed a drug is, the more potent and more addictive it is.

 

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  posted on 10/21/2007 at 05:32 PM
I've got a late 20s early 30s Gibson guitar That I got for a $100 from a friend that was on that crap about 10 years ago

 

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  posted on 10/21/2007 at 06:38 PM
Say NO to crack...

 

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  posted on 10/21/2007 at 06:47 PM
I was all ready to say "crack is for plumbers".

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  posted on 10/21/2007 at 07:42 PM
Is that a pencil holder I see

 

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  posted on 10/21/2007 at 09:00 PM
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Is that a pencil holder I see


Yes a number 2 pencil

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 12:54 AM
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I've got a late 20s early 30s Gibson guitar That I got for a $100 from a friend that was on that crap about 10 years ago
Good job, Bill. Sorry about your friend's problem, and he surely could have gotten much more from a guitar store or even a pawn shop. But good for you, that he thought of you as being someone who'd appreciate his guitar.
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Mayans don't have any addiction to chewing on the leaves of the plant.
John, the Mayan civilization was way up in the Yucatan Peninsula, on down through just northern Central America. It collapsed before the arrival of the Spanish, but there are still pureblood Maya people in the old territory--where there is no coca growing, though.



I have to visit this central Mayan region of PeteN someday. With that accent mark, it must be pronounced "Petey N."

Before Pizarro conquered it in the 1500s, the Inca civilization flourished in the coca-growing region of the Andes Mountains of South America. The descendants of the Incas are concentrated in Peru. Here's some unattributed history in a drug blog:
"In pre-Columbian times the coca leaf was reserved for Inca royalty. The natives subsequently used it for mystical, religious, social, nutritional, and medicinal purposes. They exploited its stimulant properties to ward off fatigue and hunger, enhance endurance, and to promote a benign sense of well-being.

"It was initially banned by the Spanish. But the invaders discovered that without the Inca 'gift of the gods,' the natives could barely work the fields, or mine gold. So it came to be cultivated by the Catholic Church. Coca leaves were distributed three or four times a day to the workers during brief rest breaks."
http://www.addictionsearch.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-21.html
Half the internet is plagiarizing the other half:
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/coc01.htm
http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?option=com_jd-wiki&Itemid=42&id =cocaine
http://www.vibrantlife.com/vl/article-68.html
Or maybe 90 percent is plagiarizing the other 10 percent.
Wherever that info originally comes from, coca leaf chewing sounds more like coffee usage, and addiction would likewise have been light, more like what we might call habituation.

Here is page 1 of an interesting article giving more detail to the general history of coca leaf and cocaine use in the Andes and in America and Europe. Interestingly, John, it names the "Malayans"--of Malaysia, "where it was originally imported" and "is grown commercially." So, you might have blended the Inca concept and the Malayan name into the "Mayans."
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1928809&pageinde x=1

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 06:35 AM
Class dismissed, remember reports are due on Friday.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 07:37 AM
crack is EVIL


...that's all I have to say about that......

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 11:03 AM
Even though crack cocaine availability has dwindled in my part of the world due to some large scale distribution being rooted out in the last few years, the thing that is overwhelming us here is crystal meth.
It's taking the local twenty/thirtysomethings down in droves and there's people from their 40s to their 60s getting nailed for manufacture and distribution constantly. There's two guys here that shoved a waste management company and a body shop with over a combined 75 years in business up their noses. There's anywhere from 7 to 10 labs a week being shut down in a 5 county area.
With either the staff, owners, patrons, or all of the above of probably a good 50% of the clubs in town slinging the shytte over the bar and out the door, I don't even want to start on how it's raging through the music community.
Damn evil stuff and it's showing no signs of letting up, even with the restrictions on cold/allergy pill sales.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 11:42 AM
I meant to say Inca's but I was confused by the drugs.


the point is, coca is not addictive in its natural form.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 01:02 PM
Crack doesn't seem to be as great of a problem as it once was in the Midwest due to being displaced by crank. I never really saw the big thing with crack (it never gave me the high of cocaine or made me feel instantly in it's thrall) but I do know a few people who answerd it's call. They have basically lost everything to the drug - in one guys case a business, small fortune, house, cars, everything. But he didn't have a problem.

Crank is evil and it's rampant and I hate it. Unfortunately it's readily available, it's easy to manufacture, and it's cheap. If you love somebody who has become a poster child for this drug, whose face is constantly in the news as before/after, and if you've had to bury that child because the drug left them miserable and helpless to the point of feeling suicide was their only escape you would understand it's evil nature.


[Edited on 10/26/2007 by lolasdeb]

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 01:07 PM
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I meant to say Inca's but I was confused by the drugs.


the point is, coca is not addictive in its natural form.


How about telling that to a choco-haulic.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 01:40 PM
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I meant to say Inca's but I was confused by the drugs.


the point is, coca is not addictive in its natural form.


How about telling that to a choco-haulic.


chocolate is a combo drug, chocolate flavinoids are euphoric similar to cannabinoids , the caffeine is a stimulant similar to Cocaine. refined sugar is a euphoric also.

so eating chocolate is like doing cocaine with weed.........

only on a much smaller scale.

I read where you would need to eat 2 lbs of dark chocolate to get the buzz of
one joint.

that's too much butter and sugar!

 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 01:43 PM
I will comment on my experience living in Costa Rica. Crack was cheap and available everywere (as was cocaine). Not really any other drugs, other than alcohol though and it was very very cheap. I met people who went on vacation and now "live" there, in a hotel on street after getting hocked and giving up everything they had. "one of these days" he will get enough money to go back to US I'd be told, while he spent everything he had on crack. It was 1 main person, but others I met got into similar trouble and got bailed out or stopped and willingly stayed. For the locals, coke and crack were more normal. I remeber being at parties and clubs where coke was passed around like a joint.
 

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  posted on 10/22/2007 at 02:08 PM
One hit is not enough and 2 is too many, all you end up doing is ya keep smoking to alleviate the horrible crash from the previous hit, makes you paranoid as hell, and is a waste of money. I voluntarilly went to rehab in 03 for 7 mos., so far so good.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2007 at 10:35 PM
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I meant to say Inca's but I was confused by the drugs.
I originally began my reply, "John, are you on crack? " but took it out before posting.
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the point is, coca is not addictive in its natural form.
Yes, that's what I found, as reported above, while looking at sites to make sure about the Maya/Inca thing. I had previously thought that the post-Pizarro Incas' habituation was a worse kind of addiction, like they absolutely had to have it or they'd be physically unable to work at all for their Spanish overlords. The research taught me a nice unexpected distinction there, though: The coca leaves were more like a coffee pick-me-up.

Ed, you know I have a hard time keeping from following up on things, then feeling that multiple new tangents are somehow pertinent, though primarily of interest to me.

Deb, is "crank" what Iowans refer to meth as? I recall "crank" being a kinda generic term for speed back in the '70s; here in Illinois meth is just "meth," not that I'm completely in the know. Then again, I never hear about "regular" amphetamine and that kind of speed anymore, so might as well apply the term "crank" to whatever speed is predominant.

BNaked, glad you made it back.

PAN, good job hanging in there.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2007 at 10:43 PM
I have this Found Magazine site bookmarked and look at it every now and then. Sure enough, I peeked in yesterday and found this:



"Least Appropriate Use of Comic Sans
FOUND by Melissa Lorenzen in Bloomington, Indiana

"I found this in a IU student lounge and I couldn't believe they would use Comic Sans for something so serious. I also wondered what the 'specific tasks' are that you can do to earn extra cash. And yes, people had taken a few of the tags at the bottom."

Then the comments run the gamut, some thought provoking, some hilarious.
http://www.foundmagazine.com/comments/2894

 

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  posted on 10/24/2007 at 08:55 AM
Crank = meth = evil

 

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  posted on 10/24/2007 at 06:57 PM
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Mayans don't have any addiction to chewing on the leaves of the plant.


The more concentrated and processed a drug is, the more potent and more addictive it is.




Of course the Mayans don't have a problem because coca is a natural anesthetic, so if you chew enough of it, your mouth and throat get numb so you won't use more than is needed to get the effect you desire. (how are you going to chew effectively when your mouth is numb?)

 

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I will comment on my experience living in Costa Rica. Crack was cheap and available everywere (as was cocaine). Not really any other drugs, other than alcohol though and it was very very cheap. I met people who went on vacation and now "live" there, in a hotel on street after getting hocked and giving up everything they had. "one of these days" he will get enough money to go back to US I'd be told, while he spent everything he had on crack. It was 1 main person, but others I met got into similar trouble and got bailed out or stopped and willingly stayed. For the locals, coke and crack were more normal. I remeber being at parties and clubs where coke was passed around like a joint.


Well now we know why so many of the brothers with the sunglasses and earpieces from the Cocaine Importing Agency retire there on their US govt. pensions!

 

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Gee back in the day I recall being told by some wild eyed Georgia boys crank was methamphetamine and cocaine and the meth was to help stop the sadness from when the coke wears off. No wonder they played those guitars like that.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2007 at 09:30 AM
Mmm-mmama says 'dat Crack is da debil" .....

 

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Crank = meth = evil

Gee back in the day I recall being told by some wild eyed Georgia boys crank was methamphetamine and cocaine and the meth was to help stop the sadness from when the coke wears off. No wonder they played those guitars like that.
whatever

From CBS News:

"Amphetamine (scientific name a-methylphenthylamine) is a synthetic drug that stimulates the heart and respiration, constricts blood vessels and induces sleeplessness. It was originally marketed as Benzedrine in North America in the 1920s and in the U.K. in the mid-'30s for suppressing appetite or preventing narcolepsy

Methamphetamine is a chemical variation of amphetamine, one that has a much stronger effect on the central nervous system than the original drug. In higher doses, it is more addictive than the original drug and has a greater "rush" for the recreational or addicted user, followed by increased agitation and possibly violence in some individuals."

Then there's the street drugs...

"Crystal meth is one street form of the drug, methamphetamine hydrochloride (or meth), which comes in clear, chunky crystals, which are then inhaled or smoked. It is also called "ice," "crystal," "glass" and "tina." Crystal meth can be easy to produce in small, clandestine labs, sometimes in a kitchen or bathroom, by mixing a cocktail of about 15 substances, mostly pseudoephedrine (a cold remedy), red phosphorous and iodine, but also including ammonia, paint thinner, ether, Drano and the lithium from batteries.

"Crank" is a smelly, yellow form of "meth" that is usually snorted. Crank is usually the cheapest form of the drug."

http://www.hbo.com/docs/programs/crank/info.html


[Edited on 10/25/2007 by lolasdeb]

 

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