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  posted on 10/17/2007 at 09:16 PM
I listened to AFE Deluxe Edition today and was thinking....what if we only had AFE, the live cuts from EAP, and what they released on the Duane Anthology's? No boots, nothing else.....what a different world.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2007 at 09:24 PM
And to add to that....what were people's reactions when "Dreams" came out and if you didn't have bootlegs you heard "new" Duane from Ludlow besides Dimples that was on an Anthology and another Fillmore song with Drunken Hearted Boy. You also got another YDLM from A&R studios!

What about when EAP came out and you heard what was after Whippng Post!

 

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  posted on 10/17/2007 at 10:19 PM
I've always wondered what people thought/felt when they heard the opening of the first album, Don't Want You No More and Not my Cross to Bear. Imagine how different it was from so much of the other music from that era...how Gregg's opening wail must have sent shivers down spines.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 07:54 AM
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I posted this to my brother Twiggs section of the Forum some time back. Thought you might enjoy seeing it in response to your question about the first time folks heard the first cut of the first album.
It seems that there is still interest among some of you in Twiggs, so I thought I would submit an occasional post about him that might be of interest. It seems like a good place to begin was my first exposure to the ABB.
In 1969 I was serving as an enlisted man in the navy (trying to stay out of Vietnam) and I went home to Macon on leave one weekend. On the drive down from Norfolk, I was listening to the radio when I heard the opening licks to "The Weight" by Aretha Franklin. I reached over and turned up the volume and thought who the #&*@% is that on guitar. I had no idea.
Twiggs was living on Orange Street at the time and when I went over to see him, he was all fired up about this new band that had formed, and that he was going to be the road manger. He said this is the best #$%^&* band you have ever heard and you ain't going to believe these $%^&* guys and similar statements. Well I was somewhat skeptical because Twiggs was always excited about some music (when I was about 12 and Twiggs was 16, he took my $1.00 weekly allowance and bought a Freddy King record that he didn't think we could live without!). He then told me that one of the guitar players was on Aretha's new release and that certainly got my attention. Also Jaimoe (we called him Jay Johnny at that time) was one of the drummers, who I had known for a couple of years, and I knew he could play.
Anyway, Twiggs had a "test pressing" of the band's first album which had not yet been released. The record plant had run off several copies of the album for the band to make sure everything was ok before the plant pressed all the albums. It had a plain white label and the album cover was also plain and I gave it to Kirk West a few years ago to keep at the Big House. Well I remember Twiggs putting the record on the turntable and the tone arm making contact and like everyone else who heard this record I was blown away. As we listened to each cut Twiggs would tell me who was playing what and when it was Dickey and when it was Duane, etc. When we got to Black Hearted Woman he told me that the band had had difficulty getting the chant (I don't know what else to call it - the part when everone is on vocals right after the brief drum solo) down right and they had been through several takes in the studio. They thought they had screwed this take up as well, so they broke up laughing at the end, but it was decided that this version would be on the record. If you turn up the volume you can hear them laughing at the end of the chant.
Every time I hear the laughter on Black Hearted Woman, it takes me back to that day on Orange Street when I was with my brother and he was so excited about this band.
Next time I will talk about the pre-ABB days and how Twiggs hooked up with Little Richard, Jimi Hendrix, Percy Sledge, Arthur Connelly, Otis Redding, etc.
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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 08:18 AM
wow..very cool John...

there is no way I can imaging my life without this music...I thank God every morning that I get to open my eyes...the truth is that between my home stereos, my car CD player and my Ipod, I honestly can't recall that last day that i didn't listen to an Allman Brothers , or Allman related song..

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 09:15 AM
I could only listen to At Fillmore East and be happy. It's an all time great. But I'm DAMN glad we got all the others before and after it. It moves me like no other music.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 09:53 AM
If all I had tolisten to was LAFE and EAP, I would be perfectly happy as I believe that is the finest music ever played by a 'band'. I know, lots of music out there, but if you only had those recordings, it works for me. Hell, I listen to' em all the time anyway.....it is
timeless music. 100 years from now some kid will be listening to LAFE and wondering how Duane and Dickey did what they did....
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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 10:17 AM
Beautiful posts -- agree with all the sentiments about these two albums -- they have & will stand the test of time, for all time -- the DKMW and Dimples from Anthology I, the MR from Anthology II, SBlues and WPost from the Atlanta Pop record, AWTNM from Mar Y Sol -- these were all gravy -- hearing A&R Studios for the first time was hugely enlightening & an unbelievable treat...
But of everything that has come out, and how great has it all been -- it'd be all OK if it were just Fillmore & Mr. Peach

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 12:25 PM
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When we got to Black Hearted Woman he told me that the band had had difficulty getting the chant (I don't know what else to call it - the part when everone is on vocals right after the brief drum solo) down right and they had been through several takes in the studio. They thought they had screwed this take up as well, so they broke up laughing at the end, but it was decided that this version would be on the record. If you turn up the volume you can hear them laughing at the end of the chant.
Every time I hear the laughter on Black Hearted Woman,


Isn't that called scatting? It sounds like Berry Oakley doing the scatting.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 12:28 PM
Article from 1999

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BABY `BROTHER' ALLMANS RECRUIT 20-YEAR-OLD DEREK TRUCKS FOR LATEST TOUR

From: Denver Rocky Mountain News
Date: June 11, 1999
Authorenver Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer; Michael Mehle

Derek Trucks remembers falling asleep to the Allman Brothers' Live at Fillmore East and Eat a Peach, although by the time he was old enough to appreciate both albums they'd already been out for 15 years.
Trucks just turned 20, meaning two of the Allmans' best albums came out roughly eight years before he was born. But now the young guitar ace is about to begin touring with the band he grew up with, stepping up to play

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 12:37 PM
Nice reminiscences and other thoughts, people.
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What about when EAP came out and you heard what was after Whippng Post!
kjw, I had Eat a Peach first, so it was like a year later when I got At Fillmore East and heard Butch's tympani after "Whipping Post" and eventually figured out the band was not just going into "Mountain Jam," but the "Mountain Jam."

I think at first I felt, for some reason, that the newer album should have had a newer "Mountain Jam," like they were putting leftovers on Eat a Peach. If an album came out a year later, the cuts should be a year newer and show the stepwise progression of the band. Of course, I didn't get the timing of things in those crucial months, and by then I was already so nuts about "Mountain Jam" and "Trouble No More" and especially "One Way Out," anyway, that any feeling of being cheated didn't amount to much.

In fact, despite that little time mixup at the start of Duane's brief solo, I would definitely have wanted "One Way Out" with those other slide songs on side 1 of At Fillmore East, even if you had to replace "Stormy Monday" . At only 17 minutes for the original side + 4:58 for "One Way Out," though, they could have wedged "One Way Out" in there and still kept "Stormy Monday."

A related thing I would notice as a young, thrifty record buyer: The Allman Brothers Band records had some of the longest songs and some of the shortest sides.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 12:44 PM
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I agree!!

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 12:46 PM
I could get by with just "Stormy Monday"

(which was the first ABB track I ever heard)


 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 01:17 PM
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I've always wondered what people thought/felt when they heard the opening of the first album, Don't Want You No More and Not my Cross to Bear. Imagine how different it was from so much of the other music from that era...how Gregg's opening wail must have sent shivers down spines.


Those two somgs were my intro to the band. I remember stopping to listen and saying to myself " Whoa, who the hell are these guys" Been hooked ever since.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 01:33 PM

Back in the pre-CD days, I was DJing at my local community college and decided that I was going to play "Whipping Post" & "Mountain Jam" back to back. With 2 turntables & the mixing board, it was seamless. Man, was that a blast! Since my shift was an hour that was the whole show.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 01:46 PM
I was a college dj at WQRI Fm for Roger Williams College (now University). I regularly left the playlist by management and played ABB, Skynyrd on a regular basis

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 01:48 PM
I miss it when the DJ used the gifts of personality and personal taste to play what he felt like playing. With radio today, you might as well have monkeys spinning CD's.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 03:07 PM
i could have just fillmore & be happy. ever time i listen to it i hear somethin new even after all these years. it's THE best album ever did by anybody anytime anywhere

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 03:43 PM
John, that's a great story, thanks for sharing it.

 

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When we got to Black Hearted Woman he told me that the band had had difficulty getting the chant (I don't know what else to call it - the part when everone is on vocals right after the brief drum solo) down right and they had been through several takes in the studio. They thought they had screwed this take up as well, so they broke up laughing at the end, but it was decided that this version would be on the record. If you turn up the volume you can hear them laughing at the end of the chant.
Every time I hear the laughter on Black Hearted Woman,


Isn't that called scatting? It sounds like Berry Oakley doing the scatting.
Scatting is more of the boobedowap type of sounds that Ella Fitzgerald does so well.

John - this is a wonderful story...thanks for sharing here.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2007 at 06:33 PM
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With radio today, you might as well have monkeys spinning CD's.





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  posted on 10/20/2007 at 07:54 AM
Someone should tell John Lyndon to write a book -
Oh, I just did.

 

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  posted on 11/3/2007 at 12:18 PM
As I have related a little while ago, up until 4 - 5 years ago Live at Fillmore East and Eat a Peach were all that I had to listen to. Although I yearned for more I made do. When albums were vinyl I used to wear them out every couple of months. What got me by was listening to the live and studio stuff intensely and studiously through good head phones at volume. It was quite rewarding in that I learned how to pick out things thet would otherwise be easily overlooked.

Examples:

1. Duanes awesome acoustic rhythm playing on Blue Sky truly drives that song.
2. Some of the simple harmony work Duane would play in the background of Whipping Post and Mtn Jam among others.
3. Tempo & rhythm shifts on tunes like Done Somebody Wrong.
4. All the intricate interplay between Duane and Berry.
5. Gregs harmony vocals on Blue Sky.
6. the oh-so subtle differences in tone and dynamics that define which guitarist is playing what.

Finally there came the release of some new live shows and this helped but what really broadened my horizons was finding this web site and subsequently learning about the 50 or so shows that were being traded. Now I was able to listen to numerous versions of the same show. From this I gained a lot of insight as to how the band evolved over time. I was struck by how Duane never plays the same solo twice.

Before this however, the only real downside to having so few albums to listen to was this. I despaired that somewhere in the distant future I might, in some way, grow tired of the Allman Brothers. That I might build up a tolerance to the high I get from their music.

All this new material has allowed me to feel secure with the idea of growing old, maybe even back in Alaska.

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  posted on 11/5/2007 at 03:25 PM
It would be enough for me...it has a lifetime of music on that record.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2007 at 03:34 PM
Great story John. I love hearing tales and experiences from that era.

 

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