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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 12:49 PM
Wasn't that familiar with Susan's band, so not sure who was in it anyhow...but who got cut in the merger?
 
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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 12:51 PM
It's basically Susan and Ron with Derek's band! So the answer is, the rest of Susan's band but I wouldn't say "cut" because I'm sure there will be times she'll still have her band when Derek is with his. There are dates coming up with Susan and Derek playing in their own bands!

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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 05:13 PM
i hope nobody got cut out!! that'd be one hell of a band if they kep em all!!!!! all them guitars & drums put together'd be a hellacious sound...............................just my opinion

 

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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 05:27 PM
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i hope nobody got cut out!! that'd be one hell of a band if they kep em all!!!!! all them guitars & drums put together'd be a hellacious sound...............................just my opinion

Susan's band is just not on par with the dTb, not by a long shot. She's had kind of a revolving door for bass players lately, so I think she knows that and is looking for something better.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 11:03 PM
I'm not exactly sure but I thought Susan's band changed pretty much every tour. And a few of the players she's had are easily on par with anybody in Derek's band. Jeff Sipe for one and the dude (his name won't come to me) who played keyboard,violin and a horn of some kind. He went on to play with Robert Randolph, but has moved on from there I believe. As a matter of fact when I saw her opening fo the ABB in Pittsburgh both Sipe and this guy were in the band. I distinctly remember thinking what a waste of their talent playing with her. Susan has done little to distinguish herself other than a poor woman's Bonnie Raitt and that is only in the vocal department. Unless she has made a tremendous improvement in her guitar skills and I do mean tremendous, perhaps she should stick to backgrounf vocals. And before somebody says, "Well she's been nominated four times for a Grammy, smarty pants." Both Popper and Starland Vocal Band won one.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 11:26 PM
Wow, aside from Charlesinator pessimistic views of Susan's career in general... She always has the best with her... whether it's William Green or Jason Crosby on Keys, or our very own Kofi... she always has a blast playing with whomever is in her group.

She seems to change her band up a bit. But can you really blame her? She's trying to find the best fit musicians for the job... Derek's been playing since how old? And how long did it take to find the right people? That's my point. She has time.

Gotta love that voice.

 

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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 11:52 PM
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i hope nobody got cut out!! that'd be one hell of a band if they kep em all!!!!! all them guitars & drums put together'd be a hellacious sound...............................just my opinion

Susan's band is just not on par with the dTb, not by a long shot. She's had kind of a revolving door for bass players lately, so I think she knows that and is looking for something better.

William Green and Jason Crosby are quite impressive. Ron Holloway is the best there is. Susan and Derek both said some pretty big words about Ron in a JamBase interview.

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http://www.jambase.com/Articles/Story.aspx?StoryID=10884&pagenum=0

""....Tell me a little bit about the guys you've got playing with you on this tour. I know the majority of this band comes from Derek's band but you've also got Ron Holloway playing sax with you. Ron's a monster he's one of my favorite sax players out today.


DT: He's a great player, and he knows how to get through in a setting like this. There are a lot of great tenor players out there but in a rock band setting, which essentially is what this is, a lot of horn players can't break out the blade, cut through all the noise and get to the point. Ron absolutely can.

ST: Or blending with the rest of the music. Ron is great at blending in and making everything sound great.

DT: Yeah, it's not like he's a rock saxophonist, which I really don't like. Ron played with Dizzy Gillespie, so he's got the street cred and jazz chops. He's done some great stuff with Gil Scott-Heron and Root Boy Slim for more of the esoteric stuff. I played with him in the Allman Brothers Band some and he's been in Susan's band full-time for the last two years. My guys have been playing together for so long that it just seemed like the natural group to take out...

ST: Yeah, but I had to have someone from my camp represent, so I told Derek we had to bring Ron. [laughs]. Everyone really loves having him around 'cause he's so great at teaching us about a lot of stuff. He's been around so much, he's kinda like Jaimoe in that way. He's got a great outlook on life and some great stories to tell......""

 

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  posted on 9/22/2007 at 11:58 PM
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Wow, aside from Charlesinator pessimistic views of Susan's career in general... She always has the best with her... whether it's William Green or Jason Crosby on Keys, or our very own Kofi... she always has a blast playing with whomever is in her group.

She seems to change her band up a bit. But can you really blame her? She's trying to find the best fit musicians for the job... Derek's been playing since how old? And how long did it take to find the right people? That's my point. She has time.

Gotta love that voice.


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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 10:15 AM
I think Charlsinator is WAY OFF slamming Susan's guitar skills. I thank GOD that Susan is no Derek Trucks, and I've been thrilled that she has NOT been playing that FUSION hippy crap that DTB has made a trademark of. I saw Susan alone here in Jax, FL and she was VERY GOOD. Her guitar work was a bit off on this night because she had not been touring, and it was something like the first show of the tour and she had just had her second child. She came out in a aqua green dress, still chubby, but she was great. Then she came with the DTB band. I thought DTB SUCKED and Susan's show sufferred for touring with him.

Charsinator is somewhat right calling Susan a poor man's Bonnie Raitt, but I still like Susan WAY over Bonnie Raitt. Bonnie way be GREAT but I really don't dig most of her music. That's just my 2 cents. Susan really hasn't done a lot to distinguish herself though. Her live work is ten times better than any studio record she has made. I have heard her very first cd Better Days, Just Won't Burn, and the one that followed that one. I have her dvd and the live cd. The dvd and the cdr are very weak compared to most of the bootlegs out there. I don't know if there is a fault in the mixing, if it was mixed, or what, but Susan just doesn't let her hair down on this live Austin City Limits show. The musicianship is safe and that is all. I know she wanted to look and to sound GOOD for a commercial release and she succeeded to an extent. The dvd and live cd though simply don't compare well to other live shows. I have also enjoyed Susan's band, the most recent guy on keyboards is good and he is entertaining. The guy who played the violin though was only OK, or maybe it was just that he was limited in his use of the violin. I always enjoyed his solos and wanted more.

I think it SUCKS if Susan is now playing with Derek permanently. However, I got burned out with Susan about a year ago. I sort of felt that she wasn't sure what to do next professionaly and I saw her (of course) touring beside her husband's band. Susan's voice is not for everyone but she certainly should not abandon her solo career. Susan should be in her OWN BAND.




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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 10:15 AM
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William Green and Jason Crosby are quite impressive. Ron Holloway is the best there is. Susan and Derek both said some pretty big words about Ron in a JamBase interview.

I didn't say she has no talent in her band, I said the band isn't nearly as good as the dTb is. It's not, and they shouldn't be on stage together. Ron is very good and William is good, but the group is much more of a straight-up backing band, and they don't play the same breadth of styles.

Crosby didn't stay that long, and it seems like he left to do something more musically adventurous. And I think Susan has had a different bassist the last three times I've seen her - that was last October, January and May. (One of them was Todd Smallie.)

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:13 AM
Wow, CRAZY where this thread has gone. And I will preface my comments by saying that I'm not really into female rock/blues/soul artists, except for a small handful.
That said....to me, Susan bashing is lame. Anybody who thinks she is a subpar singer is deaf or just trying to be an A-hole. As a major critic of vocalists, I would say that Susan's voice is about as good as it gets. Her guitar playing has also come a long way. I dig her playing a lot. Its simple, honest, raw, to the point. Have you ever listened to old school blues records. Few of the old greats were guitar virtuosos. They were just squeezing out a feeling and I feel Susan does this very well. I've seen most incarnations of her band since 2000 and they have always been a very tight R&B unit. Jeff Sipe is one of the greatest drummers alive. I think her band line-up has changed so much over the last few years because she hasn't been working very much. Musicians have to go where the work is steady and music hasn't been Susan's major priority with 2 small kids to raise.
I'm enjoying her collaboration with DTB and look forward to see what they decide to do next.


 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:19 AM
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Wow, CRAZY where this thread has gone.

We can fix that!!

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:21 AM
Oh and for those of you that do "get it" here's an offering that absnj has...

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=66625

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:24 AM
are they playing any NY shows?
 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:37 AM
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Wow, CRAZY where this thread has gone. And I will preface my comments by saying that I'm not really into female rock/blues/soul artists, except for a small handful.
That said....to me, Susan bashing is lame. Anybody who thinks she is a subpar singer is deaf or just trying to be an A-hole. As a major critic of vocalists, I would say that Susan's voice is about as good as it gets. Her guitar playing has also come a long way. I dig her playing a lot. Its simple, honest, raw, to the point. Have you ever listened to old school blues records. Few of the old greats were guitar virtuosos. They were just squeezing out a feeling and I feel Susan does this very well. I've seen most incarnations of her band since 2000 and they have always been a very tight R&B unit. Jeff Sipe is one of the greatest drummers alive. I think her band line-up has changed so much over the last few years because she hasn't been working very much. Musicians have to go where the work is steady and music hasn't been Susan's major priority with 2 small kids to raise.
I'm enjoying her collaboration with DTB and look forward to see what they decide to do next.




Well said Mule75! She is out there doing what she is good at and loves to do. I enjoy her vocals and have a great time seeing her live. Her hooking up with Derek and his band is just lots of frosting on the cake!

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:37 AM
I though Soul Stew could use some refining as well, not necessarily cutting anyone, just tightening up the sound. At the Snowmass show I thought a little too much was happening on stage. Can't say where the refinement can be used specifically, just that things could have been a tighter musically. When Derek's brother joined them, the drums sounded more pronounced and I thought, yeah this band can use two drummers and a percussionist, perhaps because there are so many other strong players, though then the bass could have been more pronounced. Again, like I said it isn't about cutting anyone in particular, just refining the roles and overall sound.

As for Susan, she does have a very good voice, I know women's voices and she is up there. In Soul Stew sometimes I noticed a tendency for her to have to sing very, very loudly, but something was off with the sound with regard to her voice and it sounded like at points during the crescendo that she was screaming. It's totally not necessary and the sound person needs to pay attention to that issue for Susan. Again, there are so many players on the stage and the vocals can get drowned out very easily. I also don't think the band needs Mike with Soul Stew. I get all the issues related to that statement and I have grown to like Mike's voice, but it isn't powerful enough for Soul Stew and the DTB too. Mike's voice is such a refined voice that I feel it gets lost when too much is going on musically i.e.; when there are so many instruments.. (Just my opinion about the sound balance with DTB and SS and not Mike's ability to sing. I love him with Scrapomatic.)

On a good note, I also said to myself while listening to SS at Snowmass, that Derek and Susan have a band that can achieve commercial success. If that is what Derek and Susan want, then they can have that though they need to develop music specifically for SS. It can be very exciting to see this group of musicians develop as an entity over the next bunch of years and I hope they do continue to do SS. I also like what the DTB has to offer and what Susan did with her own band too. How wonderful for them to have so many options and ways to go with the music.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:37 AM
thanks ,Sue!!!!
so,here are my dopey thoughts(as if anyone could give a sh@#):
SUSAN is a tuneful,mature,evocative,bluesy guitar player in the tradition of OTIS RUSH & MEMPHIS SLIM.
She has improved considerably in the last years & 2 years,in particular.
i'm not a follow anything ABB or in the family guy,but i won't get into my detailed,boring opinions on her band or DEREK'S.(it will only cause arguments to happen & frankly,like all the music critics i despise,what the heck do i know---i'm a fan in the audience---so even the thoughts i'm choosing to write here are from a fan in the audience---as most of us are, & despite my believin' i know a heck of alot about music )
Back to SUSAN ...listen to ABB @ Beacon--3/30/07--& you'll dig the first point on OTIS & SLIM!!
All a matter of taste---as said a multitude of times on this site!!!
Peace & great day to all....& jammin'rebel---i disagree on DEREK & his music but,you're allowed an opinion----right or wrong


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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 11:57 AM
Thanks Effie

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On a good note, I also said to myself while listening to SS at Snowmass, that Derek and Susan have a band that can achieve commercial success. If that is what Derek and Susan want, then they can have that though they need to develop music specifically for SS. It can be very exciting to see this group of musicians develop as an entity over the next bunch of years and I hope they do continue to do SS. I also like what the DTB has to offer and what Susan did with her own band too. How wonderful for them to have so many options and ways to go with the music.

Hey Ang, well put! I do have a copy of the Snowmass show and did notice some things that you mention...It's all just some fine tuning needed and over a little time. This band will take us into the FUTURE!!!


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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 12:10 PM
....& adding RON HOLLOWAY is a major creative plus...

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 12:30 PM
Derek's band would benefit from Susan's vocals. As a guitarist, I saw her as a guest performer with his band one night at the Downtown in Farmingdale and there were a few spots where she outplayed him; so maybe they will drive each other to new heights!

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 12:36 PM
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BINGO! Exactly what's happening and actually I think Susan's guitar playing has stepped it up a notch since Derek has been in her life!

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 01:13 PM
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maybe they will drive each other to new heights!

BINGO! Exactly what's happening and actually I think Susan's guitar playing has stepped it up a notch since Derek has been in her life!


I've also noticed this..her playing is much better than the first time I saw her just 2 years ago, She appears more confident and has a look of satisfaction when she pulls off a hot lick. I've also seen her fumble, she laughs it off and moves on - at least she is reaching. Oh yeah, Ron, damn he's awesome!

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 03:21 PM
maybe someone should pull a chris cocker on go on youtube
and defend susan hahaha

 

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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 03:24 PM
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....& adding RON HOLLOWAY is a major creative plus...


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  posted on 9/23/2007 at 05:12 PM
Let's see various quotes in Susan's defense:

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Charsinator is somewhat right calling Susan a poor man's Bonnie Raitt

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Susan really hasn't done a lot to distinguish herself though

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I have her dvd and the live cd. The dvd and the cdr are very weak

Jammin' Rebel

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Crosby didn't stay that long, and it seems like he left to do something more musically adventurous.

Marley

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In Soul Stew sometimes I noticed a tendency for her to have to sing very, very loudly, but something was off with the sound with regard to her voice and it sounded like at points during the crescendo that she was screaming.

Angelemerald

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I do have a copy of the Snowmass show and did notice some things that you mention...It's all just some fine tuning needed and over a little time.

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I've also seen her fumble,

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Hmmmm ...

I initially posted in response to what I perceived as Marley knocking the talents of some of the players who've passed through Susan's band. I have reread his post several times and see that - no - he wasn't knocking the individual talents of members of Susan's band and ... furthermore I concur with him that " (Susan's) band isn't nearly as good as the dTb is ...and they shouldn't be on stage together." Sorry for the misunderstanding there.

However, ...

I'll stand behind my remark that IMO Susan Tedeski is a poor man's or woman's Bonnie Raitt vocally and has done little to distinguish herself otherwise. If that is bashing ... then I'm guilty. I just tend to call them as I see them. And for me a little bit of white girl sings the blues goes an awful long way. To be honest I haven't paid much more attention to her guitar skills in the past two years. Yet, if she has advanced to the level where she is outplaying her husband (even if only in spots) as according to Gina, then maybe I'll start looking and listening more closely. I'm certainly not pessimistic on her carreer. Her accomplishments speak for themselves four Grammy nominations, probably a gold record (or two?), continually sharing the stage with some of the best musicians around both in her band and her husband's ... She may very well find further commercial sucess touring with Derek and I wish both her and him all the best. She just isn't my cup of tea. And yes call Chris Cocker ... I'm not fond of Britny either.































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