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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 12:37 PM
So, I've only seen this lineup live once ( living in Seattle I don't get many opportunities) & the show blew me away. Way better than I expected being a huge Dicky fan. I'd see them again in a heartbeat if they'd play up here ever.
The problem is listening to the shows I have some Beacon shows & quite a few Instant lives & I find myself skipping tunes ext a lot. See the thing is Warren & Derek both kick ass but it's almost too much. Too much ear piercing slide & in your face leads & not enough melody. Dicky( when he wasn't too drunk) was the balance for either one of them. Maybe I'm getting old but the knew lineup actually gives me a headache when I listen to them. I can almost NEVER make it through a whole show. But by comparison, & nice early 90s show can stay in my cd player for days!. Maybe it's because I really dig the country/ southern rock that Dicky brought to the table.
So for me, seeing them live is another story, if they play near me.. I'll be there!. Otherwise, It's the earlier cds for me!!!

 
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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 12:56 PM
I love this lineup, but I sort of know what you're saying. The one thing I miss from this lineup (and from Hittin' the Note) is the melodious, bop-jazz levity that Dickey brought to the table (Back Where It All Begins, High Falls, Blue Sky). It was a perfect compliment to the melancholy blues numbers, and in comparison to the mid-90s lineup, current shows can be pretty heavy these days. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, it is what it is, and the Allman Bros are still my favorite band by a long shot.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 01:00 PM
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So, I've only seen this lineup live once ( living in Seattle I don't get many opportunities) & the show blew me away. Way better than I expected being a huge Dicky fan. I'd see them again in a heartbeat if they'd play up here ever.
The problem is listening to the shows I have some Beacon shows & quite a few Instant lives & I find myself skipping tunes ext a lot. See the thing is Warren & Derek both kick ass but it's almost too much. Too much ear piercing slide & in your face leads & not enough melody. Dicky( when he wasn't too drunk) was the balance for either one of them. Maybe I'm getting old but the knew lineup actually gives me a headache when I listen to them. I can almost NEVER make it through a whole show. But by comparison, & nice early 90s show can stay in my cd player for days!. Maybe it's because I really dig the country/ southern rock that Dicky brought to the table.
So for me, seeing them live is another story, if they play near me.. I'll be there!. Otherwise, It's the earlier cds for me!!!


I wouldn't go so far as to have a headache, put what you said was a well put compliment to Dickey.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 01:09 PM
I love the new lineup as well but those early 90s shows with Dickey and Warren cannot be beat!!!!
 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 02:05 PM
I feel that Dickey, more than Warren is a true voice of the band.

It's good to hear Warren sing occasionally, but since 2001 they have been letting him sing every third or fourth song which is too much IMO. I'm tired of hearing ROCKIN HORSE, THE WEIGHT, WOMAN ACROSS THE RIVER.

It's time to bring Dickey back I suppose. I am sure he has learned his lesson!

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 02:17 PM
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I feel that Dickey, more than Warren is a true voice of the band.

It's good to hear Warren sing occasionally, but since 2001 they have been letting him sing every third or fourth song which is too much IMO. I'm tired of hearing ROCKIN HORSE, THE WEIGHT, WOMAN ACROSS THE RIVER.

It's time to bring Dickey back I suppose. I am sure he has learned his lesson!




I love all the Lineups!

And I think Warren has a Great Voice!
But I will agree that those songs get old.
I wish they would bring in some New Songs for Warren to sing on.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 02:27 PM
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It's time to bring Dickey back I suppose. I am sure he has learned his lesson!


Not according to some.


 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 03:05 PM
This is probably not going to sit well with a lot of people, But I'd like to see Chuck Leavell replace Warren. After Duane passed, my favorite era was late 72-75. Chuck's Piano was the perfect balance and just what this band needed to keep the passion going. Imagine the interplay between Derek and Chuck...The two guitar sound was created by Duane and Dickey and in My Humble opinion, can never be re-created with the same intensity and imagination that those two had, it was magic. As good as Warren Haynes is, he will always have the Mule. Rocking Horse, How many times can Whipping Post be done?

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 03:06 PM
As I hear it, Derek is not a good fit for this band. He's way too much of a "me" player, because he is just so physically talented.

It would be like adding LeBron James to the Spurs; talented as though he is, LeBron would ruin the selfless chemistry of the team.

That's what I feel about Derek. He's obviously brilliant, but the focus is now entirely on him and, as such, is off the original members and, even worse, off new music from Gregg.

Derek is too loud in the mix, and his sound is too "big" for a band that tries to fit seven instruments into the fold...

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 03:13 PM
WOW...you people have to be kidding..this lineup is dynamite...dickey betts is a legend but you are lucky to catch him on a night where he is on his game these days....go back and listen to what the allman brothers were doing just prior to replacing dickey with warren and then tell me you would rather they go back to that....warren is more willing to change things up and experiment...the set lists change a hell of a lot more than they did with dickey and these days warren is head and shoulders better than dickey on a consistent basis.....as far as i am concerned ,let it rip guys....lets hear that slide guitar and bluesy sound
 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 03:22 PM
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I feel that Dickey, more than Warren is a true voice of the band.

It's good to hear Warren sing occasionally, but since 2001 they have been letting him sing every third or fourth song which is too much IMO. I'm tired of hearing ROCKIN HORSE, THE WEIGHT, WOMAN ACROSS THE RIVER.

It's time to bring Dickey back I suppose. I am sure he has learned his lesson!


He sings three-four songs per show. It's not time to bring Dickey back because even if they were willing, the personality clashes would ruin things as they always have before. Warren brings peace, harmony and leadership in addition to his talents. I am also sick of RH and WATR which is why the Weight was such a great addition last year. Now they do a few others also, including the Derek and the Dominos songs and the Van Morrison songs. No doubt the band reflects Warren's sensibility more than Dickey's and I also miss Blue Sky and some of Dickey's numbers. But there is no longer any ABB without Warren Haynes.

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 03:26 PM
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This is probably not going to sit well with a lot of people, But I'd like to see Chuck Leavell replace Warren. After Duane passed, my favorite era was late 72-75. Chuck's Piano was the perfect balance and just what this band needed to keep the passion going. Imagine the interplay between Derek and Chuck...The two guitar sound was created by Duane and Dickey and in My Humble opinion, can never be re-created with the same intensity and imagination that those two had, it was magic. As good as Warren Haynes is, he will always have the Mule. Rocking Horse, How many times can Whipping Post be done?

Just my .02


Your entitled. I entirely disagree. Chuck is a great player but he is a sideman and will always be one. He was asked to return in 1989 and elected to join the Rolling Stones where he is a more important figure than he would be with the ABB. After B & S the band went downhill quickly. Not Chuck's fault of course. This band has now had a great two guitar lineup (meaning with at least one true slide player) since 1989. The band has a wider variety of songs than at any time in its history. And Whipping Post, in my opinion, is not done nearly enough. Maybe once every five shows. COnsidering its greatness it should be done more.

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 03:56 PM
Then don't, I will.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 04:08 PM
interesting topic and a sensible discussion.

the sad truth is we all miss Dickey but.............

"that's just the way it is".

thank goodness and Mother Mary Joseph (whoever she is) that we have Derek and Warren and Oteil............do NOT forget Oteil as the glue in this mix with and without Betts.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 04:09 PM
Ok say by some MIRACLE Dickey comes back then what-replace Derek??!!

I don't think so and besides dickey won't ever tour with them again



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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 04:26 PM
one of the reasons the allman brothers have had a renasiance in recent years and have remained one of the great if not the greatest live band in the world is because they have been fortunate enough to bring in incredibly talented younger musicians such as derek and oteil and even warren....dickey even if he didnt have his problems is in his 60's...the mix of the band right now is perfect with the young guys injecting enthusiasm and working well with the veterans.....go listen to a concert by bands in their 60's....they can still play but it tends to be formulaic and uninspired...the rolling stones come to mind as do bands like the moody blues and others...sure it is great to hear the old songs but would you want to see the same songs played in exactly the same way night after night?....i know i wouldn't....

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 06:01 PM
WOW...you people have to be kidding..this lineup is dynamite...dickey betts is a legend but you are lucky to catch him on a night where he is on his game these days....go back and listen to what the allman brothers were doing just prior to replacing dickey with warren and then tell me you would rather they go back to that....warren is more willing to change things up and experiment...the set lists change a hell of a lot more than they did with dickey and these days warren is head and shoulders better than dickey on a consistent basis.....as far as i am concerned ,let it rip guys....lets hear that slide guitar and bluesy sound
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Well, I'm not really comparing this lineup to right before Dickey got booted. We all know dicky went downhill in the late 90s.( That's like listening to a 1995 Dead show & saying they are better off without Jerry) I'm talking back when Warren & Dickey had incredible chemistry, & the band had some major creatitivty: 3 killer albums in 4 years.
And anyway, I'm not doubting that they are the best live act out there. If they didn't HATE THE NORTHWEST so much I'd be there & digging it. I'm just saying that when I go to listen to them it tends to be early to mid 90s so I can be reminded of all the killer show I went to back them. Back before they only played back east & NEVER played anywhere else!!

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 06:32 PM
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one of the reasons the allman brothers have had a renasiance in recent years and have remained one of the great if not the greatest live band in the world is because they have been fortunate enough to bring in incredibly talented younger musicians such as derek and oteil and even warren....dickey even if he didnt have his problems is in his 60's...the mix of the band right now is perfect with the young guys injecting enthusiasm and working well with the veterans.....go listen to a concert by bands in their 60's....they can still play but it tends to be formulaic and uninspired...the rolling stones come to mind as do bands like the moody blues and others...sure it is great to hear the old songs but would you want to see the same songs played in exactly the same way night after night?....i know i wouldn't....

[Edited on 9/8/2007 by jonbrach]


Good point jonbranch.

davefr,Dickey wouldn't have to replace anyone,he would fit right in with the band in its entirety. When the wheel comes around,he'll probably just sit in for a few shows,eventually who knows maybe he'll tour with them,Great Southern could open for the ABB(absolutely no tom petty involved).Time heals all wounds (wounds all heels I hear too),& unless Gregg or Dickey wind up on the other side of the grass first,they'll eventually reconcile & play together again

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 06:43 PM
I actually have a hard time comprehending how anyone could have a hard time listening to the current lineup.

Just my opinion, folks.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 07:21 PM
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As I hear it, Derek is not a good fit for this band. He's way too much of a "me" player, because he is just so physically talented.

It would be like adding LeBron James to the Spurs; talented as though he is, LeBron would ruin the selfless chemistry of the team.

That's what I feel about Derek. He's obviously brilliant, but the focus is now entirely on him and, as such, is off the original members and, even worse, off new music from Gregg.

Derek is too loud in the mix, and his sound is too "big" for a band that tries to fit seven instruments into the fold...


As always, you're a moron.

Maybe your own sound is "small" enough for the band.

"schiazza replaces Trucks"

Can't see that headline except in The Weekly World News

Too bad they folded, they could review your cd.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 07:39 PM
Gotta love when some ingrate insults, at once, your intelligence and your musical abilities (himself not displaying any of his own, mind you) because of a difference in opinion.

PhotoRon: the faceless bully, safe behind the protective shield of his computer screen.

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 07:40 PM


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This is probably not going to sit well with a lot of people, But I'd like to see Chuck Leavell replace Warren. After Duane passed, my favorite era was late 72-75. Chuck's Piano was the perfect balance and just what this band needed to keep the passion going. Imagine the interplay between Derek and Chuck...The two guitar sound was created by Duane and Dickey and in My Humble opinion, can never be re-created with the same intensity and imagination that those two had, it was magic. As good as Warren Haynes is, he will always have the Mule. Rocking Horse, How many times can Whipping Post be done?

Just my .02


I agree with the 72=75 time frame with Chuck. He added a dimension to the band that was quite complimentary to the step up leads that Dickey is known for. Chuck's style was stamped on the band and a perfect fit. Of the few piano players used in the band since Chuck, none were as good a fit as Chuck w/out naming names. Chuck was in a league of his own. It would be interesting to hear how far the band could reach with Chuck on new material today. I always thought of him as a much better fit with ABB; much more so than with the Stones.

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 07:48 PM
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As I hear it, Derek is not a good fit for this band. He's way too much of a "me" player, because he is just so physically talented.

It would be like adding LeBron James to the Spurs; talented as though he is, LeBron would ruin the selfless chemistry of the team.

That's what I feel about Derek. He's obviously brilliant, but the focus is now entirely on him and, as such, is off the original members and, even worse, off new music from Gregg.

Derek is too loud in the mix, and his sound is too "big" for a band that tries to fit seven instruments into the fold...
I'd have to disagree with most of this...

he's by no means a "me" player... but I think he sticks out more then the rest because he has, for my ears, the most unique sound of anyone in the band.

a lot of folks probably concentrate on him because he's the "fresh" face in the band (as gfar as the number of shows most fans have seen with him vs anyone else in the band, excepting oteil maybe).

and as for derek being too loud... the much more common problem is for him being to low in the mix... it happens all the time. Probably 50% or more of the shows I've seen. (greg is also to low in the mix for my tastes, his keyboard I mean)....

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 07:51 PM
What Ross said

 

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  posted on 9/8/2007 at 07:56 PM
Don't just look at the music of the Allman Brothers right now. Take it all as a whole. Then come back to this era & decide. If you look at it like an evolution then it makes a lot more sense.

I am just thankful that they are still together & making music. If it were over then people would be singing entirely different songs about the current line up.

 

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