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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 12:51 PM
Just want to know what ya think.

3rd cd has on one song or 2 or is less than 40 minutes.

Do you put filler on it ?

I like filler if the cd has only 1, 2 or maybe 3 songs on it.

Do you write what ya have burned on cds fans are getting from ya?

I do and my writing is terrible. Got a note from someone to put it on sleeve.

WHAT DO YA SAY.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 12:59 PM
I would say no filler...Of all the shows I have with filler, I always lose the information if it is not written on the disk itself. Then people write asking what date etc...

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 01:07 PM
Great topic Billy!!! Hope trading folks pay attention and take part in this discussion.

As for me, I only like filler (if at all) on the last disc of a show. I don't want any filler on disc 2 of a 3 disc trade just b/c disc 2 would otherwise only have 35 minutes of music on it. I sometimes like to load all the discs in CD-player carousel and listen to the show start-to-finish. It would suck to have 40 minutes of filler in the middle of the show. That being said, as far as the last disc, I would say only put filler (again, if at all) if it's like more than 25 or 30 minutes of it.....so you can have at least a good listen to the filler material, rather than just a song or two.

I also prefer folks not to write on my discs, and prefer it on a little post-it note or on the sleeve. At the very least, if you do write on it you should only do so on the little clear plastic inner-ring and not on the top of the disc itself. Speaking of discs -- if you're not using TDKs, Kodaks, or Japanese Fujis I think traders should mention what brand they're using to those their trading with, up front and beforehand. And never use Maxell or Memorex or generics.

As long as I'm at it, one last thing for Windows-users -- prior to burning or extracting you should close down all programs running in the background of your computer. Very simple to do, and re-booting will put back everything just like it was before closing all programs. All you do is [Ctrl. + Alt. + Delete] and then "End Task" one at a time for everything EXCEPT "systray" and "explorer" (which are needed for Windows to run). Everything else should be closed down. Oh, and pause "Task Scheduler" too by right-clicking the icon in the lower-right corner of their tool-bar and clicking "pause." By taking these VERY SIMPLE steps, you can almost ensure you don't burn coasters and that no clicks and pops and whatnot get burned onto discs -- which may get further circulated. There seems to be lots of discs floating around these days that have digi-noise on them.

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 01:25 PM
Those are instructions for a Windows 98, 95, or ME computer, on how to close out open programs. If Win 2000 or XP, do the ctrl-alt-del and choose task manager and highlight and 'end task' any other open program. Best if you disconnect any network connections too (if you are burning and connected to a network).

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 01:28 PM
I've always followed Zambi's suggestions above for closing down applications (It was awhile ago that I first saw that from Drew - thanks!)

Anyway - most important seems to be virus protection and screen saver routines...shut 'em off...

Also - now that I have Windows XP, it's not "systray" and "explorer" that have to stay open - but a bunch of other named stuff - mostly "Syshost" - I had to learn by trial and error what had to stay open to prevent the computer from rebooting itself!

What else for this mini-tutorial - use EAC in secure mode for extracting, don't cruise the internet while extracting or burning, and don't burn at the max speed of your burner (buffer underruns!!)

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 01:41 PM
Yes, great topic. I personally don't like filler regardless of how many songs are on a disc. Fortunately for me, usually if I get a show with filler, it has been the last disc and I just re-copy it without the extra stuff.

As for writing on discs, I agree with the post-it route and have started doing that now. Although my writing isn't bad, I've gotten a lot of shows where someone wrote all over the disc. Again, I can re-copy it, but then discs don't grow on trees, do they? (Actually, since they are so cheap, they almost do)

And I agree with Jim. Close the virus scan and screen saver if you use one.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 01:51 PM
Filler is okay on the last disc to me.........It usually catches me off guard.

I hate it when someone writes on my disc...the little clear part is just fine...but bad writing on the disc part drives me crazy.....if it's a copy of a commercial release I don't care about writing...but not my shows please.....

When I do shows I always write on the clear part.......

I don't care what disc you send me as long as they are audio/music...it's your show..so send what you want.

I'm not into any of the picky stuff....for people that are...thats fine. I understand...but if your going to get all technical on me.... I don't want to deal with you anymore than you do me.....thats the way I like it.....i'm into it for the music...not to be on some ego trip about my sounds......Dean Long was a SUPER **** about that and then he would turn around and send you something no better....I don't have time for it...if you can do it with some dignity thats fine. .

If I send you a bad show...I want to know....I will do what I can to fix it...but you have to tell me.....

Kenny

To be honest...I use a stand alone dual tray burner......If I was lucky enough to have a good PC at home.....I WOULD KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT...HAHA

I probably fit into the lower levels of trading...I won't deny that.

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 02:13 PM
Kenny - my previous post in this thread was an example of "I've told you more than I know"!

Maybe I should actually talk about filler - I don't do it, but don't mind if it comes to me, if it's at the end of the last disc.

Like Mr. Babbs - I like to know if something isn't right so I can replace it...

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 02:19 PM
I go with no filler. If CD-Rs were a rare commodity, maybe. For the sake of avoiding confusion and preserving the integrity of each performance, I would say filler is a bad thing.

However, when sharing with friends (non-traders), I occasionally add songs from the same tour that were not on the setlist of that particular show just to give them more music to listen to.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 02:19 PM
I would rather have no filler. Just the show. I have several with just one cut on the last disc, but the complete show is important to me for some strange reason. Along these lines, the true date is important to me, and to a lesser degree the venue.
 
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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 02:38 PM
For the record, it is perfectly fine with me if you write on discs, as long as it is legible. I store them in albums and if I can see at a glance what show it is without having to strain to read the little circle thing, I am happy.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 02:52 PM
I try not to write on the discs (or the middle circle) as my hand writing is generally pretty sloppy. I just assume the person getting the discs from me would want to put their own writing wherever they want...just so they know which disc is which...

As for filler, generally I'd say no...but maybe for the last disc...

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 02:55 PM
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For the record, it is perfectly fine with me if you write on discs, as long as it is legible. I store them in albums and if I can see at a glance what show it is without having to strain to read the little circle thing, I am happy.



I had this one dude not from here...that had this horrible large hand writing...I did not ever say anything...but I would re-burn each show cause it looked so bad..... ...and I say i'm not picky....

I know what you mean Goliath...my books have black backgrounds..so at night I have to get under a lamp to see whats what..plus my vision sucks too.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 04:00 PM
Why do you fill me up Buttercup baby just to let me down......hehehe....

You guys are like a bunch of cackling hens on here. So darn picky about everything, geez. I'm writing all over your CD's next time, in my worse penmanship!

As for filler, I don't like it on my ABB shows. Mule, DTB, Oteil stuff, I don't mind as long as I am aware of it somehow so if I offer up the show I can let others know that there is filler on the end. I don't put filler on myself because I am too lazy and I can't even see my desk nevermind the extra chore of trying to figure out what to use for filler and where it might be.

The writing doesn't matter either way to me, I am just happy to get the music. Most disc's I get though have the writing on the clear circle in the center.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 04:08 PM
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Most disc's I get though have the writing on the clear circle in the center.




I just can't write that small and have it come out legible at all


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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 04:21 PM
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Why do you fill me up Buttercup baby just to let me down......hehehe....


I don't care one way or another 'bout filler....like SistaPammy says, i don't have time to create my own filler. But i'm so appreciative of the disks that i don't care if you burn the sound of nails scraping down a chalk board at the end. If i don't like the filler i can leave it off when i extract it.

The very first thing i do when i get a disk it to take the little sticky off it and write (sometimes neatly, sometimes not so neatly) the band, date, venue and disk number.
Otherwise i'm scared i'll lose the venue forever.

just my opinion, i could be wrong.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 04:40 PM
I'm with Goliath on the writing on the CD, although I've finally (at great expense to myself) gotten a Sharpie at home so I can do my own, but before I went to the Beacon, I had alot of stuff that I had to ID as I'd lost the post-its, etc. I had to say that was an enjoyable task, especially to listen again to some great stuff I'd kinda forgotten about. I keep most of mine in an album, too and if there's cover art, I put it in the front of the cd.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 05:19 PM
My theory is I send the disc the same way I got the disc. It's pretty straightforward and can be extremely nice to other people (ex: disc two of my 7/5/70 has all of ABB 1/20/70 afterward).

I don't write on my discs-although sometimes I wish I did-but I don't mind if someone sends me a show with writing on the discs. I've always heard that the ink will ruin the disc in time. However, since there is no historical data to prove that yet I don't know if it's true-we'll have to wait and see. Maybe I'm just paranoid. Either way I'm not anal about it like a few people I've dealt with (No one here thank God).

BTW- I've found that using a red sharpie with a fine tip makes for easy reading and less strain on the eyes when you put the info. on the inner ring. I use an album or two, but I've started using sleeves for most of my shows, and It makes it extremely easy to read against a white background.

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 05:29 PM
In actuality, I'm not picky, I'm just so thankful to get new music from people and to pass along the great stuff I have, but here's a few of my thoughts:

Filler: I certainly don't mind, although I usually start thinking "HEY NOW I WANT THIS WHOLE SHOW!" hee hee. So I actually prefer to not get it. Plus I seem to never get filler that I know what it is anyway. . .

Writing on discs: I can see how it's annoying, I always write on the inner ring, because I never have post its!!! But I notice everyone seems to send me discs with post its, so I'll probably switch over. here's the problem with that though, if you lose the post it, you have to keep putting in the disc to see what the heck you have and if you're like me, you do a million trades at one time and have piles of stuff that you want to figure out.

My list is pretty anal and it's taking me forever to update it, but I like to offer as much information as possible. It's nice when you know EXACTLY what you're getting. -- I don't have a preference on discs. I have a couple generics that I have found to be extremely reliable thus far, while yet, almost everytime I've received a trade from someone who uses Memorex discs, at least one seems to have problems. So again, I think it's all down to how the music comes up when you get it. . .

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 07:11 PM
Thanks Guys.

You can write on the center of the discs for me. I know your writing is better than mine. I have received cds with no info as well. I put some filler on some 3rd cds for folks the last few days is what brought it to mind. The cd had only one song and I thought it was a waste. I knew people could redo it if they did not like it/
I like filler on 3rd cd only and only if the cd is 1-2-3 songs or 40 minutes or less. But please identify it.




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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 09:37 PM
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To be honest...I use a stand alone dual tray burner......If I was lucky enough to have a good PC at home.....I WOULD KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT...HAHA

I probably fit into the lower levels of trading...I won't deny that.
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Hell Kenny, i don't even mind the crayon !!

 

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  posted on 4/30/2003 at 11:51 PM
i find this all very amusing...
 

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  posted on 5/1/2003 at 06:12 AM
Lammie - are you laughing at our ritualistic activities? I hope so!

I don't know if it's a fine line between ARN (anal retentive neurotic) trading behavior and simply trying to do a few simple things to reduce the risk of sending or getting a disc with pops and clicks....guess it's a matter of perspective.

If it sounds good, and you burned at the max speed, used a generic disc, had tons of applications opened on your computer, didn't extract with EAC, wrote all over the top of the diisc, I don't give a damn if you send me that disc.

But...doing those things above are Known to increase the chance of adding some diginoize - and no one wants to do that on purpose...

It's about the music right?

Think I'll listen to some right now!

 

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  posted on 5/1/2003 at 06:47 AM
I think this is a good thread - if I'm trading with someone, I want to make sure they are happy with the exchange. A thread like this is a good way to get to know someone's preferences.

For me, I'm out on filler. Don't want it at all unless it is somewhat related to the specific show. For example, I have a Big Head Todd show that is about 25 minutes on disc #2, so I filled it with a 20-minute acoutic radio set that Todd did at a local station earlier that afternoon plugging the show.

As for anything else, I really don't care as long as its not TAO. I make covers for my shows in jewel cases & inserts for my shows in binders & sleeves, so it doesn't matter to me if someone writes on the front at all.

When I burn for someone else, I will write in the center ring occaisionally or else on the sleeve.

 

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To be honest...I use a stand alone dual tray burner......If I was lucky enough to have a good PC at home.....I WOULD KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT...HAHA

I probably fit into the lower levels of trading...I won't deny that.
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Hell Kenny, i don't even mind the crayon !!




Yeah...I'm gonna start sending them with large hand written green crayon on the disc...and I will write them with the opposite hand that I normally use..LOL !!! or maybe use my foot...haha.

 

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