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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 01:44 PM
Is there a graphic that indicates personnel changes during the evolution of the ABB?

I recently acquired a Filmore concert poster dated September 3, 1996. I was wondering who was in the band at that time. I'm sure this was a Dickey-Warren show (duane Betts sits in - according to the calendar). Was this an Oteil or a Allan show? Was Marc in the band at this point? This was just before I renewed my interest in the band.

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 01:48 PM
I'm nearly certain that would have been a Warren-Dickey show with Woody on bass. 1997, if I'm not mistaken, was the year Haynes and Woody split and were replaced by Jack Pearson and Oteil Burbridge.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 03:16 PM
I have the exact (month) dates at home, but from the top of my head:

1969-1971 Gregg Allman, Duane Allman, Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks.

1971-1972 Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks

(Thom Doucette joined them on blues harp regularly during the early years)

1972 (breifly, one show, studio sessions) Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Berry Oakley, Chuck Leavell, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks

1972-1976 (once in 1978) Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Lamar Williams, Chuck Leavell, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks

1978-1979 Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Dan Toler, David Goldflies, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks

1980 Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Dan Toler, David Goldflies, Mike Lawler, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks

1980-1982 Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Dan Toler, David Goldflies, Mike Lawler, Butch Trucks, David "Frankie" Toler

(during the 78-82 period Jim Essery played regular blues harp and they had backing singers such as Bonnie Brammlett, Keith England & some other girl I can't remember her name)

1983 (near reunion, no concerts ever played but at least a photo session exists):
Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Dan Toler, David Goldflies, Chuck Leavell, Butch Trucks, David "Frankie" Toler

1986 reunion show Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Dan Toler, Chuck Leavell, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks. (Bruce Waibel played bass)

1989-1990: Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Warren Haynes, Allen Woody, Johnny Neel, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks

1991 (til about June): Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Warren Haynes, Allen Woody, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks

1991-1997: Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Warren Haynes, Allen Woody, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, Marc Quinones

(there was a period Aug-Sept of 93 where Dickey was absent and several guitar players such as Zak Wylde, Jimmy Herring & David Grissom filled in for Dickey until Jack Pearson finally filled in for like the last month or something)

1997-1999: Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Jack Pearson, Oteil Burbridge, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, Marc Quinones

1999-2000: Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Derek Trucks, Oteil Burbridge, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, Marc Quinones

2000: Gregg Allman, Derek Trucks, Jimmy Herring, Oteil Burbridge, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, Marc Quinones

(at the end of the year Derek, Warren & Jimmy were trading off spots between the ABB & Phil Lesh & friends)

2001-present: Gregg Allman, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, Oteil Burbridge, Jaimoe, Butch Trucks, Marc Quinones

(Chuck Leavell guested often in 2001 & 2005 and Jack Pearson filled in for Warren Haynes or Derek Trucks several times in 2005 & once for Derek in 2006)


 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 03:23 PM
off the top of the dome. Damn ! thanks

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 04:12 PM
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1980-1982 Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Dan Toler, David Goldflies, Mike Lawler, Butch Trucks, David "Frankie" Toler

(during the 78-82 period Jim Essery played regular blues harp and they had backing singers such as Bonnie Brammlett, Keith England & some other girl I can't remember her name)

1983 (near reunion, no concerts ever played but at least a photo session exists):
Gregg Allman, Dickey Betts, Dan Toler, David Goldflies, Chuck Leavell, Butch Trucks, David "Frankie" Toler




Understood it was off the top of your head, so could be an oversight, but was there really a period when Jaimoe was not in the lineup?

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 04:28 PM
http://www.abbdiscography.com/lineup.htm

How about that? I found it posted by someone else on this website a long time ago an just passing it on. A great website...I reference it for live shows and stuff a lot.

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Understood it was off the top of your head, so could be an oversight, but was there really a period when Jaimoe was not in the lineup?

Yeah I believe there was a time when Jaimoe wasn't in the band (which is also consistent with the link). Health reasons or something, I forget what i read, but it was just a short time when the band wasn't at its prime anyway.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 04:29 PM
Off the top of my "Dome".........I don't believe Jaimoe was with the band for Brothers of the Road

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 04:48 PM
Yeah, I know, I have a terrible obssession with the music/bands I'm into. (I've a ridiculous amount of useless information filling my head, that only occassionally comes in handy, usually when someone posts something like this thread!) Thanks.

The Jaimoe issue is correct. It's a complicated situation and Butch has stated it was an immediate regret, which he still feels to this day. But Jaimoe was "let go" by Gregg, Dickey & Butch. If I remember (and understand it correctly), he was trying to look deeply into the band's finances at the time, which were very unstable and inconsistant and was finding that certain members (Gregg & Dickey from my understanding) were borrowing or getting more of the money and wasting away on certain personal items. (Or something like that, but you can guess where it was probably leading to). Please remember this was a low-point for the band. Capricorn had gone under, they signed to Arista (who added synthesizers to make their music more commercial, yet they were probably the least successful of their career.) There were other obvious problems. (I have trouble finding any film or recording of Gregg in this era where he seems even remotely sobre). So their solution was to just get rid of Jaimoe. If I remember correctly Jaimoe showed up to a gig one day to find David "Frankie" Toler's drumset in his place. That is sad. But as I mentioned Butch has since mentioned it as one of the biggest mistakes and regrets of his career.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 04:53 PM
Scott Freeman covers this in detail in the Midnight Riders book (which despite the band not liking the book, I've never heard them say the book wasn't factual). They had patched things up enough to have the one-off reunion gigs in 1986.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 05:01 PM
http://www.allmanbrothers.info/familytree.htm

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 07:33 PM
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So their solution was to just get rid of Jaimoe. If I remember correctly Jaimoe showed up to a gig one day to find David "Frankie" Toler's drumset in his place. That is sad. But as I mentioned Butch has since mentioned it as one of the biggest mistakes and regrets of his career.


On the bright side, at least he'll never have to apologize for "Brothers of the Road" - "had nothing to do with it!"

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 07:53 PM
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Please remember this was a low-point for the band. Capricorn had gone under, they signed to Arista (who added synthesizers to make their music more commercial, yet they were probably the least successful of their career.)


I've always found that amazing
The Allman Brothers, of all people, who had earned their success on THEIR terms, laughing in the early days at the people who said they needed to get the singer out from behind the organ & make it more visual etc. -- allowing Arista record excutives to tell to them how to record & with what instruments -- Dickey being quoted as saying "the record company [Arista] pretty much broke our spirits."
Duane and Berry must have been rolling in their graves -- these road hardened professional musicians, kow-towing to know-nothing office types
amazing -- especially given that their previous record, Enlightened Rogues, had been a huge seller with the blues-rock sound everyone loved about the ABB

[Edited on 8/28/2007 by Stephen]

[Edited on 8/28/2007 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 08:20 PM
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  posted on 8/27/2007 at 09:17 PM
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Scott Freeman covers this in detail in the Midnight Riders book (which despite the band not liking the book, I've never heard them say the book wasn't factual). They had patched things up enough to have the one-off reunion gigs in 1986.


You know, I got through the first third of the book and then the tone just turned me off. Others might find the negative aspects of the band interesting/relevant, and I'm a little naive, but I'd rather pretend some of that stuff didn't happen.

Thanks for answering...
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  posted on 8/28/2007 at 09:31 AM
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Scott Freeman covers this in detail in the Midnight Riders book (which despite the band not liking the book, I've never heard them say the book wasn't factual). They had patched things up enough to have the one-off reunion gigs in 1986.



I was fortunate enough to attend one of those reunion shows. It was in a small bar in Charlotte.(Kidnappers) it wasnt billed as The ABB's but as The Gregg Allman Band and The Dickey Betts Band (maybe as and Great Southern. It surely was a night to remember. Though a lot of folks do not like the band during that era, you have to remember then there were no Allman Brothers Band. We were thrilled to get them anyway we could. Dickys band came out first, then Greggs band, then they came out together and knocked that crowd of about 300 people on their @$$E$. For me it was one of the most memorable nights of my life.

I dont know if this was one of the shows mentioned in Midnight Riders, it was a warm up to the reunion shows.

On drums that night was Toler/Trucks. Goldflies on bass and Dangerous Dan on guitar along with Gregg, Dickey, and Butch. I still remember that feeling it gave us that The Allman Brothers Band were getting back together. Nothing could had been more sweeter than that.
We never thought then(1985-86) that today (2007) they would still be touring. It proved to me that the road does go on forever.

[Edited on 8/28/2007 by rottinpeach]

 

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