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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 04:49 PM
but, then again they thought Imus was a danger to society and didn't hesitate to "convict him." Read the last couple of lines from the NAACP president.

Atlanta NAACP: After sentence, let quarterback Michael Vick return
to NFL, preferably Falcons

By ERRIN HAINES, Associated Press Writer
August 22, 2007
ATLANTA (AP) -- An NAACP leader said Michael Vick should be allowed
to return to the NFL, preferably the Atlanta Falcons, after serving
his sentence for his role in a dogfighting operation.

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new
Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his
career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's
Atlanta chapter. "We further ask the NFL, Falcons, and the sponsors
not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of
enjoyment to fans all over this country."

White said the Falcons quarterback made a mistake and should be
allowed to prove he has learned from that mistake.
On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a
federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid
of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal
fighting venture.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge
and say Vick provided nearly all the gambling and operating funds
for the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting enterprise. Two of them also
said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming
dogs, raising the possibility of the animal cruelty charges.

Last month, state and local leaders of the National Association for
the Advancement of Colored People urged the public not to rush to
judgment in the Vick case. The civil rights organization said animal
rights groups, talk radio and the news media were vilifying the
embattled athlete, and that his team and corporate sponsors were
prematurely punishing Vick.

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a
plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the
credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt
might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White
said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have
received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty.
"You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a

plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for
his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts
of the case might never be known.

"Some have said things to save their own necks," White said.
"Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed
a human being."

White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it
as bad as hunting.

"His crime is, it was a dog," White said.



Maybe Imus should have said instead...."they look like candidates for vicious dog-fighting exhibitions" and John Rocker should have made more references to hunting

 

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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 05:04 PM
another inflamatory trolling topic from Carlos

who'd have thunk it.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 05:30 PM
Maybe NAACP President, R.L. White should consider what columinist Sally Jenkins has to say. IMHO any person that can kill dogs as "cold-hearted" as Michael Vicks could easily kill "humans", as what "underscores" that comment is that most of the murders in the United States are "black on black". Perhaps Mr. White and the NAACP should focus why that is, instead of "protecting" the "stars" of the black community. Anyway, here's Ms Jenkins' column.

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By Sally Jenkins
Wednesday, August 22, 2007

Michael Vick and his alter ego Ron Mexico, those suave fakers, are going away. It looks like Vick will do at least 12 to 18 months in a federal penitentiary for his crimes, after which the admittedly faint hope is that he might emerge a more whole and gentle person, as opposed to a dog slayer and liar. In the meantime, Vick's lawyer wants us to remember, "Michael is a father, he's a son, he's a human being -- people oftentimes forget that." Pardon, but if anybody forgot his humanity, it was Vick. Not us.

It's hard to sort out the high emotions Vick's dogfighting case provoke, the various hues of anger. It's all confused outrage. How could an athlete so bedazzling also be so brutal? Why would Vick, the fortune-kissed, hundred-million-dollar quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons, wallow in the gore of illegal dogfighting by choice? Why would anyone ruin animals except out of sheer, dumb meanness? How could Vick, a man with quite glaring weaknesses and a competitor who has himself struggled, punish dogs with death for their failures?

There are those who say Vick should suffer the same tortures those dogs suffered, or at the least his sentence should resemble something in a scene from "Cool Hand Luke": He should be fitted for manacles, and forced to break rocks with a shovel all day in the hot sun. And then there are those milder sorts who think the outrage at Vick is misplaced, who wonder why, as my friend Gene Robinson put it, some people are so furious over the barbaric treatment of dogs, and yet seem to "accept without outrage shameful levels of human carnage."

But outrage at Vick is not misplaced. It may be inarticulate and bewildered, but it's exactly right. There are myriad reasons to feel it, the most minor of which is the fact that Vick is a deceiver. He played the innocent, while hanging with lowlifes. He opened a wine bar on one front and ran an illicit dogfighting operation in secret. He swore he was the ignorant victim of a bad childhood and misplaced loyalties, used by his old friends from the ghetto in Newport News, when in fact he was a ringleader.

He feigned naivete, when in actuality he was fatally attracted to the seedy, surrounding himself with dealers and thieves. In retrospect, all the little so-called mistakes form a pattern that looks chronic: the friends carrying marijuana who just happened to be driving a truck registered in his name, the incident in the Atlanta airport when his traveling companion stole a wristwatch, the woman who sued him claiming he knowingly gave her herpes and then used the alias Ron Mexico in treatment.

People are angry at Vick because they sense that dogfighting isn't a petty crime, but an underworld pursuit. It lies at a "nexus with other crimes and community violence," and tends to be associated with "a whole host of peripheral criminal activities," including gambling and racketeering, drug trafficking and gang activity, according to the Michigan State College of Law's animal law center. People are angry at Vick because he's a squanderer who criminally abused his opportunities and turned his talents to sleaze. He was on top of the world, and instead of reaching up, reached down.

But more than anything, people are angry with Vick because they understand that dogfighting is a gratuitous form of cruelty. This was a calculating, deliberate and sustained cruelty, perpetrated over a number of years. Sixty-six tortured and battered dogs were found on his property, and affidavits say he personally helped kill eight others. Lots of crimes are committed in a moment of passion, with one lapse in judgment or snap of the temper. This isn't one of them.

There is an unnerving ruthlessness to the bloodsport of dogfighting, and to killing something because it isn't good enough. It's tempting to sympathize with Vick's attempts to blame his benighted youth in Newport News for his mistakes. Maybe that's what desensitized him. But it's also possible that something else was at work: galloping elitism. Vick may not have had many advantages as a small boy, but he's had every advantage since then. From the instant he picked up a football he was over-praised, overpaid and excused by idolatry. The truth is that athletic prowess can breed a kind of coldness. We hold star athletes to be more valuable than other people -- and we literally pay them as if they are worth more than others. Roy Baumeister, scholar of social psychology at Florida State, theorizes in his book "Evil: Inside Human Violence and Cruelty," that heinous acts may not come from a lack of self-esteem but rather from egotism, a surfeit of self-regard.

If an animal didn't perform well enough, if it wasn't champion enough, if it was in Vick's judgment flawed, he strangled it, drowned it, electrocuted it or beat it to death on the ground. Vick and his pals deliberately enslaved and tormented weaker creatures, and killed those they considered inferior. The dogs had faces and voices that would have eloquently expressed their agony, and Vick hurt them anyway, repeatedly. The crimes may have been committed against canines, but at issue is basic humanity. Commit those crimes against people, and the words we'd use for it are fascism, and genocide. Don't kid yourself: The people who are so angry at Vick are angry for all the right reasons.


 
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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 06:45 PM
Bravo.


The NAACP should wise up.

This isn't about his race.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 06:51 PM
Carlos, join the club! I guess we're both trolls Please submit all future potential postings to the raving lunatic who thinks 9/11 was an inside job for preapproval.

 

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Carlos, join the club! I guess we're both trolls Please submit all future potential postings to the raving lunatic who thinks 9/11 was an inside job for preapproval.


Spoken like a true troll

 

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Hahahaha. Is that Troll pregnant or does it have a large FUPA?
 

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That troll has some bigass fingernails.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 09:31 PM
Vick could also be charged with State Crimes, tougher than the Federal sentence he will get. The earliest he could probably play is 2010, but what the NFL will nail him with is gambling and personal conduct. He lied to the Commish, and that doesn't sit well with the boss.
 

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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 09:56 PM
White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it
as bad as hunting.


That line doesn't make sense to me. Hunters go out and try to make a clean kill with one shot. They don't do, or condone, the things that Vick has been accused of and would do their best to stop those actions by anyone known to do them.


Now, where were they when John Rocker was going through his problems?
Why weren't they working for his "rehabilitation"?

 

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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 10:15 PM
I think only PETA people could find hunting equal to dogfighting.

I don't think they eat the losers, do they?

 

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  posted on 8/22/2007 at 10:18 PM
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I don't think they eat the losers, do they?


Depends on how close you are to an (insert name here) restaurant.

 

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I don't think they eat the losers, do they?


Depends on how close you are to an (insert name here) restaurant.


Can I wok your dog?



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  posted on 8/23/2007 at 06:03 AM
"Spoken like a true troll " Thank you! Coming from a raving lunatic who has delusions of being the editor of what is or isn't appropriate to post I consider that a compliment.

 

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Here's an enlighting article about what "professional dogfighting" is about. Just from reading this article, you would have to be a "sick, sociopathic" individual to want to get involved in this kind of activity.

A Blood Sport Exposed
Vick's Case Puts Dogfighting Culture in the Spotlight

By Paul Duggan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 22, 2007

It's a disturbing narrative, the 19-page indictment of football star Michael Vick and three of his friends. Perhaps the details shocked people unfamiliar with the secretive world of illegal dogfighting: the breeding and training of pit bulls for savage, high-stakes combat and the brutal executions of dogs that fail to measure up.

Dogs shot, hanged, drowned, beaten, electrocuted. An awful story.

Yet to animal-welfare workers, the ugly particulars were far from surprising. They said the dogfighting subculture is deeply entrenched in the United States. And in that shadowy realm, they said, the sort of business allegedly conducted on property owned by Vick in rural Surry County, Va., has been going on for generations, especially in the rural South.

"For us, the Vick case has had tremendous value," said Jeff Dorson, a Louisiana Humane Society official. "We've been trying to tell the public how typical this is, how widespread it is, the horrors the animals go through. . . . It's opened the curtain so everyone can see what's going on."

Vick, quarterback of the Atlanta Falcons and a former Virginia Tech all-American, is scheduled to plead guilty Monday to dogfighting-related offenses, with federal guidelines calling for a prison term in the range of 12 to 18 months, according to his attorneys and sources familiar with the case. His co-defendants have pleaded guilty.

The blood sport goes on.

"Dog men," they call themselves, the untold numbers of breeders and fighters. With their pastime illegal everywhere in the country, they stay in touch through secret networks and underground magazines. They say they love to compete. They tell themselves the pit bulls love it, too.

"The reason for the Michael Vick thing . . . is because athletes have a keen insight into courage and determination, which is what pit bulls possess," said Bill Stewart, a breeder in Romance, Ark., who publishes the Pit Bull Reporter. "Athletes understand better than anyone what dogfighting is about. It's about two highly conditioned athletes going at each other with everything they have to try to win. It's the purest form of combat on earth."

To dog men, all dogs are curs except the American pit bull terrier, descended from canines used in English blood sports centuries ago.

Animal-protection workers and others who have infiltrated the underworld of pit bull fighting say dog men train their animals for weeks before bouts, perverting the dietary and fitness sciences to build ferocious canine maulers.

They perform unlicensed veterinary surgery on the grievously wounded and stud their battle-scarred champs, often for fees in the hundreds of dollars. A pit bull in its prime with a string of victories can fetch $10,000 or more. To save on upkeep and preserve the breed, weaklings are destroyed, either painlessly or with a vengeance.

The illegal bouts, in carpeted 16-by-16-foot pits surrounded by four-foot walls, are staged in hidden venues, usually with no more than a few dozen spectators allowed. Elaborate, decades-old rules are followed. Bets are posted in cash, sometimes five figures. Afterward, dog men tend to their pit bulls' injuries, provided the animals fought gamely. They won't tolerate dogs that quit.

Young pit bulls that survive training become "match dogs," weighing 35 to 55 pounds and fighting in weight classes. With a pile of cash riding on the outcome, a regulation match is officiated by a referee. A typical bout lasts 45 minutes to an hour, usually ending when one of the bloodied combatants is too torn and gouged to go on.

Dog men have too much invested in their animals to let them fight to the death, so fatalities in the pit are rare. But grave, disfiguring wounds are the norm.

"At the top level, there are probably several thousand guys," said John Goodwin, manager of animal-fighting issues for the Humane Society of the United States. "When you include the guys who are part of organized dogfighting but don't have quite as sophisticated an operation as we saw in Surry County, we're talking about upwards of 40,000."

The July 17 indictment accused Vick and the others of running Bad Newz Kennels, a boot camp for fighting dogs on 15 acres near Vick's home town of Newport News. Starting in 2001, officials said, the men entered pit bulls in more than two dozen fights in several states, with bets of up to $13,000 per side. Officials said they seized 66 dogs, pit bull carcasses and training gear at the compound.

Authorities say the pit bull fighting subculture encompasses not only dog men with their training kennels and scheduled matches; it also includes less organized dogfighting that frequently takes place in poor urban neighborhoods, including in the District.

Although in both types of fighting the dogs maul each other in a frenzy of blood and saliva, inner-city fights usually are spontaneous. One gang member strutting with his nasty pit bull sees another, egos swell, and soon they're in a vacant building, the dogs ripping into each other while still on leash chains. "Street fighting," these impromptu bouts are called.

Unlike a dog man's pit bulls, most street maulers aren't carefully bred from fighting stock. They aren't put through weeks of pre-fight cardiovascular training on treadmills and in swimming pools. They're not steroid-enhanced. Their jaw muscles aren't pumped from a regimen of "bite-and-shake" exercises. Their teeth haven't been sharpened with electric grinders while they're sedated.

Pit bull fighting emerged as a popular betting pastime in the mid-1800s. As laws against it were enacted, it moved underground. By the mid-20th century, it was mostly a rural pursuit.

About 15 years ago, after it became fashionable in the urban thug life to be seen with a menacing pit bull, spur-of-the-moment street fights became common.

In this realm, to train them, owners often whip their pit bulls, burn them with cigarettes, feed them gunpowder and jalape?o peppers until they turn unremittingly vicious. Authorities said a dog man's pit bulls normally are safe for people to handle, while a street dog usually will attack anything that moves, except the "alpha male" who abused it.

A dog man's pit bulls are taught to be human-friendly because, under fight rules dating to the 1950s, each side handles and washes the other's dog before a match, in case the opposition has coated its animal with a poison or sedative.

In time, street-fighting pit bulls -- scarred and missing ears, racked by infection, their teeth broken and legs mangled -- will cease to look menacing.

"We get them left in abandoned buildings, thrown in Dumpsters, severely injured," said Chris Schindler, a Humane Society officer in the District. "We had an incident where somebody threw a trash bag out of a car, and it was one dog that was alive and one that was dead -- all fought up, really bad injuries. Just threw them out the window."

In a field near the Rhode Island Avenue Metro station in Northeast Washington, Schindler said, "there are some old train tracks, and for about a year straight, we were constantly finding dogs tied to the tracks out there and left to die."

Researchers say organized pit bull fighting is less prevalent in the Washington region than in states farther south, although a dog man in Richmond was sentenced to four yeas in February. The FBI keeps no records on dogfighting arrests nationwide. The Humane Society has counted about 150 in the past two years, including eight in Virginia, two in Maryland and one in the District.

Because urban pit bull fights usually are spontaneous, police said, making arrests is difficult unless owners are caught in the act. Based on the dozens of battered and scarred pit bulls abandoned or seized in the Washington area every year, however, animal-protection advocates say street fighting is common.

Dog men, with their kennels of pit bulls and equipment, are easier to prosecute because authorities find more evidence, as in the Vick case. Since starting an anti-dogfighting task force in 2003, the South Carolina attorney general's office has prosecuted at least 20 cases, with more awaiting trials, said Jennifer Evans, the unit's chief prosecutor.

The granddaddy of all dogfighting cases, in terms of punishment, was prosecuted in South Carolina three years ago. There, as in other states, the maximum prison term for one count is five years. A breeder named David Ray Tant, then 57, pleaded guilty to 41 counts -- and was sentenced to 30 years.

"There's never been a sentence like it anywhere in the country, as far as I know," Evans said last week.

Tant also had laid a half-dozen booby traps around his property -- pipes with tripwires, rigged to fire birdshot -- and a land surveyor was severely injured after stepping on one. Tant got 10 years for assault, on top of the 30.

In another major case, 70-year-old Floyd Boudreaux, dubbed "the don of dogfighting" by the Humane Society, is awaiting trial in Louisiana, charged with 64 counts. He has pleaded not guilty. His attorney did not return messages seeking comment. Known as "Boudreaux dogs," the pit bulls bred in his kennel are among the strongest, most coveted animals in the field of canine combat, police said.

Based on details in the indictment, the Bad Newz operation was typical of many others in the "professional" realm, said Eric Sakach, a California-based official of the Humane Society of the United States.

Generally, the process of turning a well-bred pit bull pup into a fighter begins when the dog is 16 months old, said Sakach, who witnessed a dozen organized dogfights as an undercover investigator in the 1980s and 1990s. He now trains enforcement agencies on how to root out dog men.

The "prospect" is pitted in bouts against an over-the-hill fighter in the kennel, sometimes with filed-down teeth, a dog unable to do much damage

"These are short combats, about 10 to 15 minutes," said Sakach, "during which the prospect is going to get lots and lots of lavish praise. The point is, you want the dog to start associating praise with what its master wants it to do, which is fight."

After a few months, this "schooling" process turns deadly serious, as the dog begins preparing for its "game test," a full-fledged bout with a kennel-mate in its prime, to measure how much punishment the young pit bull can take. The prospect trains for six to eight weeks, hour upon hour -- running, swimming, jumping, chomping -- until test day arrives.

"The idea here is, you want your prospect to get hurt," Sakach said. "You don't want it hurt so bad that it's going to die. But you want it hurt badly enough so that it really understands pain and exhaustion. Because you want to know if your dog's going to quit."

For a prospect that fails, life is short. "If they're not going to make money for you," Sakach said, "then you don't want them around."

At Bad Newz, the indictment says, Purnell Peace, 35, shot two dogs "that did not perform well" in schooling. Vick, Peace and Quanis Phillips, 28, allegedly executed eight others by "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

Sakach said such brutality is common. "Some guys just decide they're going to exact some retribution for what they apparently feel is a betrayal."

Pit bulls that survive schooling become full-time canine prizefighters. But not all have long careers.

In March 2003, according to the indictment, the men of Bad Newz Kennels traveled to a venue near Blackstone, Va., with two pit bulls that they entered in separate bouts. The bets: $13,000 per side on one match, $10,000 on the other. After both dogs lost, "Vick retrieved a book bag from a vehicle containing approximately $23,000 in cash" and gave it to the winning dog man.

The female dog defeated in the $13,000 match not only cost its owners a bundle of money but apparently suffered horrible injuries. So it was disposed of, the indictment says.

"Peace, after consulting with Vick about the losing female pit bull's condition, executed the losing dog by wetting the dog down with water and electrocuting the animal."






 
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  posted on 8/23/2007 at 07:26 AM
The man is obvioulsy trying to keep Mr. Vick down...power to the people.

 

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Wonder what NAACP President R.L. White would think of the following article? Of course, he's to busy trying to "miminize" the actions of Michael Vicks. Of course, the actions of the Michael Vicks and other young blacks living the "gangsta" lifestyle are the very reasons why we have the sort of statistics found in the following article. Somehow, I think if Martin Luther King, Jr was alive, he would be more concerned about lowering that violence and trying to counteract the impact that the "gangsta" culture as had on the black community, instead of trying to miminizing Michael Vicks action, which in a sense, is a reflection of that "gangsta" mentality. I think Martin Luther King, Jr would also understand very well that "humanity" applies to all of "God's creatures". Perhaps, R.L. White should reflect upon these lessons.

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The Color of Crime

The execution-style murder of three African-American college students in Newark, N.J., forced to kneel and shot in the head – allegedly by an illegal alien from Peru who was out on bail for the serial rape of a 5-year-old – has the makings of a Willie Horton issue in 2008.

Newark, like New York, is a “sanctuary city,” where cops are not to ask criminal suspects if they are in the country legally. Mitt Romney has been hammering Rudy Giuliani on the issue, trashing his tough-cop resume by painting the mayor as den mother of the Big Apple’s playpen for illegal aliens.

The arrest of Jose Carranza in that Newark massacre, amid reports he had Hispanic accomplices and the murders may have been part of a gang initiation, has also elevated the issue of the black-brown war raging in U.S. big cities.

In the Aug. 10 Washington Post story that covered the Carranza arrest, the same page had two related articles. One was headlined, “Study: Almost Half of Murder Victims Black,” the other, “Slaying of Popular Editor Stuns Blacks in Oakland.”

The second headline reveals an ideological slant. One would assume that everyone in Oakland was stunned by the daylight execution of African-American editor Chauncey Bailey, allegedly by a teenage foot soldier at Your Black Muslim Bakery, which Bailey was investigating.

At Bailey’s funeral, a mourner held up a sign reading, “Stop Black on Black Violence.” That was the subject of the second Post story.

“Nearly half the people murdered in the United States are black,” declared the opening paragraph, “part of a persistent pattern in which African-Americans are disproportionately victimized by violent crime, according to a new Justice Department study.”

Among other conclusions reported by the Post:

* Blacks are more likely than whites or Hispanics to be victims of crime.

* Blacks are more likely than any other group to be victims of “serious violent crime,” such as rape, assault and robbery.

* Blacks were more than twice as likely as whites to be confronted with a firearm during a crime.

“Overall, the new Justice findings jibe with previous studies,” said the Post. “For example, a review of FBI data from 2004 by the Violence Policy Center, a liberal-leaning group that campaigns for stricter gun control laws, found that blacks accounted for about half of the nation’s murder victims that year.”

“Black victimization is a real problem, and it’s often black on black,” said David Harris, a law professor at the University of Toledo who studies crime statistics.

“Often”? Correction, Harris. As the Post reports and Justice concedes, in more than nine out of 10 cases, black victims are murdered by fellow blacks.

Utterly absent from the Post story and Justice Department stats is anything about white victims of crime. Not a word. Do white folks not count, though they are two-thirds of the population?

Yet, in “The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and Justice in America,” produced by the “right-leaning” New Century Foundation in 2005, using the same FBI and Justice surveys, startling facts emerge:

* “Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against other blacks.” Forty-five percent of the victims of violent crime by blacks are white folks, 43 percent are black, 10 percent are Hispanic.

* Blacks are seven times as likely as people of other races to commit murder, eight times more likely to commit robbery and three times more likely to use a gun in a crime.

* “Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit violent crime against a white person than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.” (If decent black folks have trouble hailing a cab, and they do, these numbers may help explain it.)

* Black-on-white rape is 115 times more common than the reverse.

Even the two most famous sexual assaults by white men on black women in the last two decades – the Tawana Brawley and Duke rape cases – turned out to be hoaxes.

What do these statistics tell us? A message the Post will not report. The real repository of racism in America – manifest in violent interracial assault, rape and murder – is to be found not in the white community, but the African-American community. In almost all interracial attacks, whites are the victims, not the victimizers.

Why does the Post not report such statistics? My guess: Because the stats would shatter the Post’s cultivated image of America as a land where white racism is the great lurking malevolent monster. Stories that conform to the image get play. Stories that contradict it are buried.

But, if the Bush Justice Department is doing in-depth studies on black victims of crime and who is responsible, why not one on the victimization of Americans of all colors and who is responsible?

Or is that information we ought not know, and news not fit to print?



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  posted on 8/23/2007 at 09:43 AM
football mania has affected many otherwise rational people, white or black. i remember once after GA lost to FL, my dad calmly stood up and punched a hole in the wall . He's really a kind and gentle person. i have also witnessed mass neurosis in ALA during Iron Bowl week. people lose they damn mind. it's prolly an Atlanta sports thing. All the black commentators on ESPN - even Stephan A. Smith - are condemning "Ron Mexico".

Losing Vick (and now D. J. Shockley) has pretty much doomed the Falcons to the NFL South cellar.

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"Spoken like a true troll " Thank you! Coming from a raving lunatic who has delusions of being the editor of what is or isn't appropriate to post I consider that a compliment.



You have said nothing about this topic

You have only attacked me.

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but, then again they thought Imus was a danger to society and didn't hesitate to "convict him." Read the last couple of lines from the NAACP president.

Atlanta NAACP: After sentence, let quarterback Michael Vick return
to NFL, preferably Falcons

By ERRIN HAINES, Associated Press Writer
August 22, 2007
ATLANTA (AP) -- An NAACP leader said Michael Vick should be allowed
to return to the NFL, preferably the Atlanta Falcons, after serving
his sentence for his role in a dogfighting operation.

"As a society, we should aid in his rehabilitation and welcome a new
Michael Vick back into the community without a permanent loss of his
career in football," said R.L. White, president of the NAACP's
Atlanta chapter. "We further ask the NFL, Falcons, and the sponsors
not to permanently ban Mr. Vick from his ability to bring hours of
enjoyment to fans all over this country."

White said the Falcons quarterback made a mistake and should be
allowed to prove he has learned from that mistake.
On Monday, Vick said through a lawyer that he will plead guilty to a
federal charge of conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid
of unlawful activities and conspiracy to sponsor a dog in an animal
fighting venture.

Three Vick associates have pleaded guilty to the conspiracy charge
and say Vick provided nearly all the gambling and operating funds
for the "Bad Newz Kennels" dogfighting enterprise. Two of them also
said Vick participated in executing at least eight underperforming
dogs, raising the possibility of the animal cruelty charges.

Last month, state and local leaders of the National Association for
the Advancement of Colored People urged the public not to rush to
judgment in the Vick case. The civil rights organization said animal
rights groups, talk radio and the news media were vilifying the
embattled athlete, and that his team and corporate sponsors were
prematurely punishing Vick.

White said the Atlanta chapter supports Vick's decision to accept a
plea bargain if it's in his best interest, but he questioned the
credibility of Vick's co-defendants, saying an admission of guilt
might be more about cutting losses than the truth.

"At this point, you're not looking at guilt or innocence," White
said, referring to the possible harsher sentence Vick could have
received had he taken his case to trial and been found guilty.
"You're thinking, 'What I better do is cut my losses and take a

plea.' But if he saw this as the best thing to do at this point for
his future, then I think he made the correct choice."

White said he regretted that the plea deal will mean all the facts
of the case might never be known.

"Some have said things to save their own necks," White said.
"Michael Vick has received more negative press than if he had killed
a human being."

White said he does not support dogfighting and that he considers it
as bad as hunting.

"His crime is, it was a dog," White said.



Maybe Imus should have said instead...."they look like candidates for vicious dog-fighting exhibitions" and John Rocker should have made more references to hunting

 

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  posted on 8/23/2007 at 11:23 AM
Dog fighting and hunting have nothing to do with each other. I am a diehard Falcons fan was here when the team was born, remember Tommy Nobis as there first ever pick in the draft. M. Vick is not a very good qb to start with and he seems to a very sorry example of a human. I hope the gets max jail time and banned from the NFL for live

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please do tell how dogfighting has to do with "gangsta" culture? you clearly have no idea what this so called "gangsta" mentality/culture is. you even spelled it wrong. and you have no idea what MLK would do if he were alive but personally i doubt he'd be out crusading against dogfighting. in no way is RL White minimizing Vick's actions. he's looking out for the best interests of his group in the same way that PETA is when they attack Vick. this is a damaging incident for the black community because people like you somehow link it to "gangsta" culture, although as noted above, you dont have a clue.

that article made me sick to read and im pretty much disgusted that you thought to post it in this thread. next time you post an article that seems to be from a white supremicist group, think twice. seriously. its pretty **** ing despicable of you. in short, the main factor that leads to crime is environment. poverty stricken urban environments will have more violent crime because of unemployment, lower quality of education, and a generally less than ideal environment. it just so happens that there are many, many, many more black kids growing up in these environments than white kids. it creates a prison culture not a gangster culture. it feeds this cycle of poverty and crime, which causes this backlash from white folks who don't know better against the whole black community. it is perpetuated by ignorant folks like you live in constant fear that the big bad black man is gonna come get your daughter at night. get over it.

it seems that you're suggesting that the reason that prisons are filled with blacks is because they are an inherently more violent race? or was it that they're just not as pure as white folks? in any case, save it for your next cross burning or the Klan message boards because i'd really prefer not to have to read garbage like that on a board like this.



Telll me how does it advances African-Americans to mimimize the actions of a mult-millionaire black football player, that would engage in actions like "organized dogfighting"? Shouldn't Michael Vicks been presenting a more "postive" role model, for his community? And shouldn't groups like the NAACP be the ones "harshly critizing" his actions, simply because they know how many young black man will emulate his actions and his mentality and how damaging that is to the their communities?

The numbers from the crime statistics came from both the Justice Department and the FBI. You may not like what the number says but nevertheless they do paint a bleak potrait of how "prevelent" violence has become in the black communtiy, not only against each other but against other races also. But I guess in your mind that if anybody that would dare mention something like that without being an African-American, are being "racist"?

Hate to say this, but it's the SAME 'STREET' MENTALITY that lies behind a lot of these numbers and actions of some in the black community who "embrace" this "hip-hop/gangsta" culture, where being "the thug" is seem as being the model "black male". Unfortunately, being "the thug" means embracing violence. And violence is violence whether or not it's being perpetuating against other people or even animals. If you can hurt or kill an animal (btw, I'm not anti-hunting as that is a completely different thing) without any conscience, it's certainly not a big step to do the same to people. And there has many studies that has shown that to be true. I can only imagine how "myoptic" one has to be not to see that particular truth.

Now. I do think that the majority of African-American community buys into the "gangsta" culture? No, I do not, as I think majority of the people are decent, hard-workng people doing the best they can no matter what their economic circumstances, may be. But I know, quite a number of people in that communtity do worry a great deal about it's effects, especially among it's youth.

The truth is the "gangsta/hip-hop" culture has really sold a lot of the advances that people like Martin Luther King, Jr fought so hard for "down the river". Certainly, Michael Vicks bought into that mentality. I also believe if Martin Luther King, Jr was still alive he would be fighting "long and hard" against such thinking, because no doubt, he would realize how damaging that is to black community. Unfortunately, it's seem that R.L. Whites seem to have forgotten that concept.

Groups like the NAACP need to start holding people like Michael Vicks to a standard, if for no other reason, the fact that know he will be "looked up to" and "emulated", and what that effect that has on the African-American community, especially it's young people. Instead, it seems they try and "miminize" the damage that has have done.

What I find "ironic" in R.L. White's remarks is that he would "miminize" the actions of Michael Vicks because the victims were "just dogs". Surely, Mr. White knows that it wasn't that far back in American history, that others have made similar remarks to miminize the actions of some of their own. Of course, their victims back then weren't "just dogs", but nevertheless the same mentality was applied.

 
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This doesn't need to be about race. There was a story on the news the other night about a dog fighting ring that they busted up in Brooklyn NY and the people being taken away in hand cuffs were as white as snow. They showed a room full of adorable kittens that were being used as bait to train the dogs to fight. So it even goes beyond just the cruelty of dogs. These criminals have no respect for life. Anyone involved in this disgusting practice should be treated and punished equally. I think Vick is getting off way too easy. He's gonna only get about 2 years or less in prison. I already hear people saying he deserves another shot in the NFL. Although I am a huge fan of the NFL and the NY Giants, if they let this scumbag back into the league ever I will boycott the NFL.


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Wonder what NAACP President R.L. White would think of the following article? Of course, he's to busy trying to "miminize" the actions of Michael Vicks. Of course, the actions of the Michael Vicks and other young blacks living the "gangsta" lifestyle are the very reasons why we have the sort of statistics found in the following article. Somehow, I think if Martin Luther King, Jr was alive, he would be more concerned about lowering that violence and trying to counteract the impact that the "gangsta" culture as had on the black community, instead of trying to miminizing Michael Vicks action, which in a sense, is a reflection of that "gangsta" mentality. I think Martin Luther King, Jr would also understand very well that "humanity" applies to all of "God's creatures". Perhaps, R.L. White should reflect upon these lessons.


please do tell how dogfighting has to do with "gangsta" culture? you clearly have no idea what this so called "gangsta" mentality/culture is. you even spelled it wrong. and you have no idea what MLK would do if he were alive but personally i doubt he'd be out crusading against dogfighting. in no way is RL White minimizing Vick's actions. he's looking out for the best interests of his group in the same way that PETA is when they attack Vick. this is a damaging incident for the black community because people like you somehow link it to "gangsta" culture, although as noted above, you dont have a clue.

that article made me sick to read and im pretty much disgusted that you thought to post it in this thread. next time you post an article that seems to be from a white supremicist group, think twice. seriously. its pretty **** ing despicable of you. in short, the main factor that leads to crime is environment. poverty stricken urban environments will have more violent crime because of unemployment, lower quality of education, and a generally less than ideal environment. it just so happens that there are many, many, many more black kids growing up in these environments than white kids. it creates a prison culture not a gangster culture. it feeds this cycle of poverty and crime, which causes this backlash from white folks who don't know better against the whole black community. it is perpetuated by ignorant folks like you live in constant fear that the big bad black man is gonna come get your daughter at night. get over it.

it seems that you're suggesting that the reason that prisons are filled with blacks is because they are an inherently more violent race? or was it that they're just not as pure as white folks? in any case, save it for your next cross burning or the Klan message boards because i'd really prefer not to have to read garbage like that on a board like this.



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