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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 02:18 AM
It took over 2 hours to drive 20 miles on 209 from I-80 going into Bushkill; After arriving at close to 9 PM, got to see the last 2 Ratdog tunes One More Saturday Night and Johnny B Goode.................the place was packed..................ABB opened jamming and nicely swung into Done Somebody Wrong........I remember (but not in order) Southbound, Ain't Wasting Time No More,No One Left To Run With Anymore, Melissa, Hot 'Lanta, and a Woman Across the River with Warren and Derek outdueling each other and REALLY hitting the note..........WOW.............Dreams............sorry I don't have the complete setlist; if anyone does, please post it here....................After the fiasco of getting into the place, I left early to make sure I was not caught in traffic leaving. Very disappointed in the venue, but what I saw of the entertainment made up for the delays.


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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 02:58 AM
On Rt 209, I think it was much less than 20 miles. As soon as I got off of I-80, it took me between 2 and 2hr30min to get to the venue. I did not plan this into my trip time.
I made the mistake of hoping to buy a ticket at the box office - Last minute thing. Once I finally made it to the venue they were telling us it was sold out.

With 2 lane roads the whole way in, I'm not sure they were prepared for this type crowd. I've never seen this type of slow moving. Maybe a Dead show or two but I'm not sure it was to this magnitude. I don't know, just frustrated.

Anyway, I had a very disappointing evening.

I drove a VERY long way to be turned away at the gate.

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 07:43 AM
I was expecting a long ride after I-80, but this was ridiculous. We stopped and got something to eat midway thru the ride. left the restaurant around 7:45 and it still took another hour. Wow and the parking. I thought I was going to get rewarded with a piece of cheese when when I finally parked. No crowd control in the venue from what I could see. We got there when Ratdog was finishing up and we couldn't get to our seats because of all the people that clogged the aisle. We got to our seats during the break and the aisle filled up again. We left a little early and I saw a couple of fender benders of folks just trying to get out of their parking spots. Needless to say, I'm not going back to Mountain Laurel again.
 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 09:17 AM
I came up with my dad. The traffic was horrendous. I doubt I'll ever go up there again. We stopped at Alaska Pete's. Got there in time to meet people at the Hittin the Note tent.

The Montage Mtn venue is a lot better for access in and out of there.

 
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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 11:24 AM
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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 01:45 PM
2 hours crawling up the road, so 2 hours late. I was traveling in my own bus which sometimes affords us some perks but this time the parking guy saw us approaching and signaled for a golf cart who signaled for a police car to lead us lights flashing around the rest of you guys waiting to get in, to the backstage loading area, where an ABB crew asked who are you, I responded just me Bob following the parking guys lead, so we wheeled it around and found a nice clear curb spot in front of the ambulances. sat at about row 15 in front of Gregg. sound was great for the Bros. but the 2 ratdog songs I heard were full of feedback. straight forward setlist for me. could have used a mtn jam, WP, EL. Reed etc. but gotta take what they give. Venue seemed oversold? I think it was their first taste of a rock and roll crowd at this venue. so could have used more ushers, crowd control, parking control etc. could have been nicer with 20% less people, but people = $$ for all involved. ..........
 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 01:50 PM
Geez, glad I didn't bother and went to MD instead to catch Dickey and the boys..now THAT was a great show and venue. Hope ABB goes back to Montage Mountain in the future.
 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 01:52 PM
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Geez, glad I didn't bother and went to MD instead to catch Dickey and the boys..now THAT was a great show and venue. Hope ABB goes back to Montage Mountain in the future.


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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 02:59 PM
It took us nearly 2 1/2 hours to go 14 miles to a venue that sucked. Those people have NO idea what they are doing, but I will say that they are nice people.

Highway 61, did you check with the box office when you got there? Karen and Lynn didn't have tickets either and they went right to the BO and were offered lawn or covered seats. We heard the rumors about "sold out" too. Turns out that wasn't the case, at least 8:45 pm.

I won't go back to that place. I didn't think the sound was all that great there either. I'd been to the Camden show the night before and it was MUCH better.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 03:34 PM
Count me in as someone who will never go the the Mountain Laurel Center again. We got off I80 and onto 209 at 5:00, and were parked at the venue at 6:15, so we spent 1:15 on 209.

I am not sure how many people that place can hold, but there were only 18 toilets in the ONLY mens bathroom, and the line stretched out into the concession area so one could not tell what line was for what. The ushers/security were pathetic, in that they let the aisles fill up with people. When returning to my seat, I could not see where the aisle was to get into section 207 from above because so many people were crowded in front of and in the aisle. They also were not cheking tickets at all. That BS does not happen at Nissan Pavilion, or at Walnut Creek in Raleigh, or any other outdoor shed I have ever been to.

We parked in handicapped parking, and after the show we found beer bottles scattered around and broken by one of our tires, and a table had been set up for ccooking and selling fajitas right in front of my car. I could not back up because of the hanicapped parking sign and pole in the ground behind us, so I told the people cooking and selling the fajitas that they needed to move it or lose it as I wanted to go home. They gave me attitude, as did some other people who thought I was being too "serious" and needed to relax. Needless to say, I almost got in a fight with these people, but they slid their cooking tabl over a couple of feet so we could leave. Unbelievable. They were illegally vending in front of my car and got mad a me because I wanted them to move so I could leave.

I am going to email the Mountain Laurel Center and voice my complaints about the venue to them. I'm also going to email the fire marshal of Pike County and describe the total lack of any crowd control in the seating area during the show. What sucks the most is that this was my only ABB show for 2007, and a musically good ABB show was tarnished by a poorly run venue and A hole illegal food vendors in the parking lot.

Maybe in the future I just won't bother to get tickets to an ABB show that has a band opening for them that has a former Grateful Dead member in it...

 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 03:53 PM
I feel really bad for you folks, next time you should think about cutting across northern NJ and dropping down 209 south. Had no problems waht so ever getting in our out last night. The boys were on fire, ratdog stunk it up and the night was super fun. My only complaint was how dark it was between the seats and lawn and that the lines for the bathrooms were ridiculous. Besides that I thank you folks for the setlists and your community. Can't wait until the next one! Was gonna go to PNC, but that place is going to be a cop/security madness! Thanks again!
 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 03:57 PM
That venue was probably the worst I've ever been to and will not go back. It took the short bus carrying me, Terri, Sari, Karen and Lynn 2 hours and 15 minutes to travel a little over 10 miles from our hotel. We started off at 6:15 and did not arrive until 8:30. Mountain Whatever Center was completely unprepared for the massive crowd. There was one person collecting for parking for the estimated 20,000 that showed up to the 10,000 capacity (or so we were told and it sure seemed like it to me)venue.

I didn't care for the Ratdog crowd. I guess I'm spoiled by how cool and wonderful the ABB fans are and that's what I'm used to. Glad to have missed all of Ratdog (if for no other reason, they seem to attract too many underage over the top drunken fans that really put a damper on things for me) that was the big plus in getting stuck in that horrific traffic jam. Also a plus was getting to spend extra quality time with the "special" kids while stuck against our wills in the short bus...

In all fairness, I must say that if I were a Ratdog fan and had missed Ratdog due to the traffic fiasco, I'd have been beyond PO'd. Mountain Whatever Center really needs to get its act together.

Once I got to my seat it was a different story. I was 4th row dead center all night. Even when the crowd was allowed to rush the stage between first row and the stage (maybe 6 people deep, and what was up with that???????)and stay there for the rest of the night turning my 4th row seat into a 10th row seat I was happy all night. ABB was hot, hot, hot and they were having fun. They looked happy and that made me happy on top of the great setlist.

Highlights last night were every single song they did (wow, wow and more wow), not kidding. I could not begin to choose a favorite, it was all great. My other highlight was seeing the "naked man" being carried out of the venue, it was surreal, too bad Terri's camera phone wasn't working...you really had to be there!

So happy to see Mr. Ector and Mr. Johnson and Maryann as well as some of the other usual supects. Y'all are a great bunch.

Congrats to Cuj and his dad! The ABB family really scored this week!! Whoo hooo!!!

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 05:12 PM
...I was supposed to go to the show but I got very sick the day before and I just could not get the energy up to make the trip. I am surprised however, to read some of these posts about how bad some of the conditions were. I actually just got off the phone with my sister who was there with her husband and some friends and she said she had a KILLER time start to finish - In fact she couldn't stop raving about the time she had and said BOTH The ABB and Ratdog kicked major ass and thought the musical energy was great! She had lawn seats but somehow ended up in the 10th row about half-way through Ratdog's set and said the security and people around her were top notch and all having a great time. She also didn't hit much traffic because of a backroad or alternative route into the venue or something like that. Evidently It took her only 40 minutes or so from her house in Sparta, NJ...which is why I was surprised to read all these horrid traffic reports. Anyway, she seemed like she was glowing from the whole experience. Very sorry to hear it wasn't that pleasant for a bunch of you guys. I will be seeing see you all at PNC in a couple days where hopefully the experience will be a lot better...

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I took this photo from another thread of my main man Steve Kimock, Jamming with the Brother's on "Dreams" at Bushkill.
Looks like Steve was having a hell of a good time judging from that big ole' smile on his face. Standing between Warren and Derek, how could he not? ...

 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 05:44 PM
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I could not begin to choose a favorite, it was all great. My other highlight was seeing the "naked man" being carried out of the venue, it was surreal, too bad Terri's camera phone wasn't working...you really had to be there!


For those of us taping out on the lawn, the "naked guy" was a nightmare! He was blitzed on psychedelics and alcohol, and was trying to start a fight with anyone in his way (including girls!) -- and the guy was huge (not below the belt, it was cold last night). He danced around for almost an hour before security tackled him down to the concrete. It took 8 guys and 2 State Troopers to hold him down. It must suck to work security and have to hold down a naked guy to the concrete. I would want extra pay for a job like that

I bet he is still in jail right now.

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 05:45 PM
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It took us nearly 2 1/2 hours to go 14 miles to a venue that sucked. Those people have NO idea what they are doing, but I will say that they are nice people.

Highway 61, did you check with the box office when you got there? Karen and Lynn didn't have tickets either and they went right to the BO and were offered lawn or covered seats. We heard the rumors about "sold out" too. Turns out that wasn't the case, at least 8:45 pm.

I won't go back to that place. I didn't think the sound was all that great there either. I'd been to the Camden show the night before and it was MUCH better.


No, I didn't check the BO. As I was just turning into the parking lot at 8:30 or so, there was a staff member walking down the line telling everyone it was sold out. I wasn't sure if they were even gonna let us in the lot w/o a ticket. So fearing getting stuck in a even worse traffic situation, I just turned around.
I guess I should have went on in but it just wasn't looking too good at that point.

It's too bad because the way it looks, this was probably my only opportunity to see them this yr.

Ah well, live and learn I guess.



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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 07:21 PM
Great show last night. Enjoyed both bands more than the night before. Not to say Friday wasn't killer also. Woman Across the River gave me a whole new appreciation for the song.

The venue does seem kind of amateurish. From looking at their website it is not as busy as some other venues. They really could use more concessions and bathrooms.

There is only one road in and out. One lane each way. I took back roads to avoid Rt. 209. That road has bad traffic problems year round. I got there 1 hour before the show and it only took me 10 or 15 minutes to get in. Getting was about a half hour. Not bad considering there is only one road.

All told it was a great weekend with the Brothers.

Already looking forward to the Beacon (or wherever) and maybe my first Wanee.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 07:53 PM
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For those of us taping out on the lawn, the "naked guy" was a nightmare! He was blitzed on psychedelics and alcohol, and was trying to start a fight with anyone in his way (including girls!) -- and the guy was huge (not below the belt, it was cold last night). He danced around for almost an hour before security tackled him down to the concrete. It took 8 guys and 2 State Troopers to hold him down. It must suck to work security and have to hold down a naked guy to the concrete. I would want extra pay for a job like that

I bet he is still in jail right now.



I was there with a whole group of people for a friend's bachelor party. I can assure you, this man had nothing to do with our entertainment. At one point, one of the guy's from our crew came running down the hill and was yelling at us, "There is a 300 pound naked guy running around like a maniac up there!!" That's when I realized it was a free for all.

I have to agree with whomever commented on Ratdog's crowd. As much of a fan I am of the Grateful Dead and Ratdog and Phil and Friends, etc., some of the stragglers they attract are a drag on the scene. One guy near me looked like he was wearing a burka and was begging for change inside the show. That kind of stuff bothers me for some reason.

Incidentally, I thought the music was fantastic. I really enjoyed Ratdog. For some reason I wasn't expecting much, but they were really good last night. Kimock sounded great. Nice to hear him on Dreams as well. That was a killer version. I think the highlight of the night for me though may have been Leave My Blues at Home >Jessica. They sounded almost like a funk band on Leave My Blues at Home.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 10:17 PM
some other commentary on the scene via the RatDog site.

http://www.ratdog.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=101579

I agree with Eddie's sister. Last night was great. I think the fact that I was on the same bus trip as Jim mentioned made it very user friendly . Had I taken the drive up from L.I. and waited 3 hrs to park or worse not made it into the venue, I would of been pissed. I think the security knew they were over their heads and adopted a bend but don't break approach. Considering that it was a free for all, it wasn't too bad in my opinion. The crowd got a little weird but I think most folks were cool. It kind of reminded me of Waterloo village shows in the 90's.

I agree with about how annoying tour rats are. I've learned to just ignore them over the years. They're like a roving band of homeless people leeching off the rest of the paying customers. The worst are the ones who bring their kids around with them. I know all about the kind of folks that Johnny Reb had to deal with. They're first to come at you with the peace lovin hippie thing and the first to break into your car while you're in the show. I did not see the naked dude,thank God, but I did see the bhurka guy, Jim mentioned. What is someone doing in a show, begging for money ? Get the F out of here.

Most of us are used to strange behavoir at shows but I did see some folks who looked like they may have been on a Saturday night date and decided to catch a show down the road and they looked positivley puzzled by some of the heads and drunks that crawled out of the woodwork for this night.

The band was smokin hot . Any venue hassles I had were well worth how good the music was. It's very rare that a summer show is as good or as fun to me as a beacon show and this was definatly one of a handful over the last 10 years or so.

 

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  posted on 8/19/2007 at 11:13 PM
I agree with the posts about this venue.

A friend and I drove up from Philly and sat in the line of traffic for awhile and finally got in and saw the last 4 ratdog songs, got some beer, and watched the ABB.

I thought that the show was really fun and the music was excellent but like others who wrote here I did not like the huge line of traffic that we were stuck in and how unorganized everything was (like the line for the bathroom or the lines for beer).

The staff was kinda rude too. I understand why since there were tons of people there and I'm sure they weren't ready for it and they were frustrated but I bought a beer last night and the woman who I paid tried to rip me off of $10 when I gave her a $20 bill for one beer and she gave me back only $5 at first!

Judging by the amount of traffic and waiting in it going into the venue my friend and I left after Jessica and we're glad that we did!

We saw some guy that was passed out on the back of some golf cart and the staff was tending to him until the EMTs got there.

Excellent show by the ABB, and by ratdog; but we'll never go to that venue again!

Yes there were lots of tour rats, lot vendors, panhandlers, trust fund kiddies with dreads, and ticketless people with their index finger in the air but a lot of the people like that were deadheads and were there for the ratdog show. I'm not saying that ALL deadheads are like that as I'm one but dead fans tend to be more like that than most ABB/mule fans.

I don't mind people like that but I do agree how they should be a lot nicer than they sometimes are and I didn't have any trouble with them and again it's just part of going to a show.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2007 at 06:43 AM
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We saw some guy that was passed out on the back of some golf cart and the staff was tending to him until the EMTs got there.
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THAT was the naked guy!!!! It was after they put underwear on him. If I remember correctly it was a woman who actually did the deed and covered him.

It was a very strange night as far as the crowd and surroundings went, thank god the music was awesome!

 

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  posted on 8/20/2007 at 10:00 AM
Hey there sweet family,

From the 8/18 Pocono Record:

Mountain Laurel spokesman Daniel Cress said more than 7,000 advance tickets have been sold for the Allman Brothers Band/Rat Dog show, making it the largest crowd in the four-year history of the center.

"We'll be ready," Cress said. "It's huge, we know that. We're ready."

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  posted on 8/20/2007 at 10:08 AM
Hi again sisters and brothers,

Here's the entire article:

Pocono Record
August 18, 2007
A record crowd will be on hand tonight at the Mountain Laurel Center for the Performing Arts for one of rock's biggest draws.

That will make for a crowded little mountain town.

Classic jam band the Allman Brothers is teaming with former Grateful Dead guitarist Bob Weir and his band RatDog to pack the Bushkill venue tonight.

Mountain Laurel spokesman Daniel Cress said more than 7,000 tickets have been sold for the show, making it the largest crowd in the four-year history of the center.

"We'll be ready," Cress said. "It's huge, we know that. We're ready."

Two-lane Bushkill Falls Road, the only road that accesses the center, is likely to be jam-packed in both directions, so showing up a little early for the show wouldn't be the worst idea.

The normal opening time for the gates to the parking lot is two hours before any show, which would put the opening time at 5:30 p.m.

However, Cress said the venue is prepared to open the gates by 2 p.m. if the traffic on Bushkill Falls Road becomes too taxing.

"We'll have our eyes on it," Cress said. "We're prepared to open sooner if we have to."

Cress said Mountain Laurel is suggesting that due to the potential traffic generated by the concert and the typical weekend traffic in the Poconos, attendees should allow for at least an extra hour of travel time.

Mountain Laurel officials are more than willing to deal with the potential headache.

"People have finally discovered the Mountain Laurel Center," Cress said, only half-kidding. "We're very excited."

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If you receive any feedback from Mountain Laurel regarding your concerns about traffic/parking/etc please let me know.

Thanks bunches!

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  posted on 8/20/2007 at 10:19 AM
oh geez, I'm so sorry to hear all this and it frightens me when I think about 50K peeps in Piedmont Park. I hope the people in charge have a great plan for crowd contol. I am glad I have to take Marta to get there and not get stuck in traffic.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2007 at 10:36 AM
Hey Teresa,

Luckily, there is more than one two-lane road going in and out of Atlanta

They have more than 50,000 people in Piedmont Park for the Dogwood Festival every year and it always works out fine, if a little crowded.

 
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  posted on 8/20/2007 at 11:31 AM
Ok Rob, I trust ya but I'm still planning on getting down to the Park early. If it's really hot on Sept 8th, I bet we have our share of naked guys.

 

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