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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 11:38 AM
I write this as an Allman Brothers fan who attended 7 shows at the last beacon run and listens to the Allman Brothers at home more than any other band....that said,I notice that the band seems to be drifting back to playing the same songs over and over...check their setlists recently the same songs seem to be played night after night...for whatever reason a whole section of their back catalogue seems to be left out of the mix and a small subsection seems to make up the song rotation.I know we have seen this debate covered over and over but why is it that great songs from "seven turns","enlightened rogues""where it all begins"and shades of 2 worlds dont ever seem to make it into the rotation?...whenever i see somebody ask about the setlist recently i almost know what it is going to include without looking...yes,the order of the songs changes and yes a couple of songs will be different but for the most part it is becoming predictable....perhaps i am in the minority but to me the reason i can go to see certain bands over and over is that they change things up from night to night and you never know what you are going to hear on a given night.....i know all the arguments...they play the same song differently,they can really get into the song etc....call me a heretic but I simply love to hear new stuff,unplayed old gems,covers and an unpredictable setlist in general

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 11:51 AM
your correct and its sad. They just are not putting any time together as a band. Everyone is spending so much time doing there own things. If they do not get together to due another studio soon. I fear the end.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 12:14 PM
I don't care about Enlightened Rogues, but there should be more from the Epic albums. I suspect that it is Gregg who no longer wants to to do certain songs like "Nobody Knows" but I have no evidence. My only evidence is that Warren Derek, and Oteil would probably play anything and wouldn't need too much rehearsing. Perhaps Gregg does not care to sing certain songs. Reality is that with the band no longer the number one concern for any of its members, (including Gregg I think), they will still sound great since they have such great chemistry, but the days of large amounts of new material may be over.

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 12:25 PM
I wouldn't say it's sad because I can't complain about the quality of the live music but I would be interested in hearing some of their catalog that isn't being played right now.

I started frequenting shows again in '04 and have managed to see 7 in 3 years. The quality of the performances has been better each time. While we are not getting new ABB material or even a larger segment of their library, we have been treated to some interesting and wonderful arrangments of covers during this time. Existing songs have been changed, jams added etc. as well.

Is it me or does it seem that the summer tour has become a vehicle to spread some of the Beacon magic into other parts of the country? I went to the Wed Boston show and caught the newer jams of N1TRW and Black Hearted Woman, as well as a "Dazed and Confused" Mtn. Jam sandwich. All of these were unveiled at the Beacon, were they not? Regardless, it was some of the best ABB I have been witness to.

Ultimately it would be nice to hear some new music from the band, but I would be suprised if they did.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 12:35 PM
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I know we have seen this debate covered over and over but why is it that great songs from "seven turns","enlightened rogues""where it all begins"and shades of 2 worlds dont ever seem to make it into the rotation?...


For the most part Allman Brothers ready haven't played ER, Seven Turns, and SOTW, since the albums came out. The only time the played any songs from these albums when Dickey with still in the band. Mostly the instrumentals or the songs that Dickey sang on like Crazy Love, Seven Turns, or the instrumental True Gravity. They still play songs of WIAB with exception of the one's Dickey sang.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 12:39 PM
I saw them three nights in a row at the Beacon this year & had ZERO repeats.
I saw the "Fox Run" a few years back & they only repeated Dreams w/ different lead people.
I can usually guess a few songs I will catch each night but non the less I still go & I still love the music they are putting out. As for why they don't play certain songs, I can really can't pin it on Gregg or one guy. Look at Mule's sets for a years period, look at Derek's sets over a year & you can make the point that they are also predictable.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 12:43 PM
It seems they mix things up more at the beacon, but on the summer tour
they go back to the old staples from the early records. I think that is
partly what the summer crowds want to here.



 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 12:43 PM
LOL I just saw this on another post from last night. Predictable ??

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 12:51 PM
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I know we have seen this debate covered over and over but why is it that great songs from "seven turns","enlightened rogues""where it all begins"and shades of 2 worlds dont ever seem to make it into the rotation?...


For the most part Allman Brothers ready haven't played ER, Seven Turns, and SOTW, since the albums came out. The only time the played any songs from these albums when Dickey with still in the band. Mostly the instrumentals or the songs that Dickey sang on like Crazy Love, Seven Turns, or the instrumental True Gravity. They still play songs of WIAB with exception of the one's Dickey sang.



Exactly.

And one other thing...when the ABB plays one show per city they have to try to sell as many tickets as possible; e.g., they MUST appeal to the casual fan as well as the hard core fans, like us. I sat next to a buddy last night in Raleigh who cussed up and down because they played Melissa, which they also played the night before in Charlotte. He completely missed the point-that the majority of the fans who came to see the ABB in Raleigh WEREN'T at the Charlotte show (like we were) and the ABB have a duty to play the "hits" for those fans just as they try to throw a few surprises in every show for the die-hard fans.

If they don't try to appeal to the more casual fan, they'll be playing for crowds of maybe 500-1000 per city...great for us, perhaps, but not good for their retirement funds and their accountants will make 'em drastically reduce their payroll to accomodate the reduced ticket sales...

They have a right to play whatever the hell thay want to play.

And we are DAMN LUCKY to see 'em play anything.

I have a friend in from Tokyo who saw her first ABB show last night in Raleigh and she cried because she finally got a chance to see them live. She didn't complain about the setlist.

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 01:06 PM
I would love to hear them bring back songs from the epic albums back in rotation!
 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 01:09 PM
You want predictable, go see almost any other act on tour. Same sets every night throughout the tour. Clapton, Stones, Police, way more predictable than the ABB. With that said, I will admit the rotation of songs is smaller than the past few seasons, but the level of play is top notch, night after night. I saw a show last week with a predictable setlist and it was so lackluster. I was told by someone in the band, hey, we have been on the road 4 months, bound to have an off night. HUH? Well, anyway, next time they come by, I'll take the night off.
ABB is hard to beat right now, no matter what they play. I will put them up against anybody.
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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 01:29 PM
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You want predictable, go see almost any other act on tour. Same sets every night throughout the tour. Clapton, Stones, Police, way more predictable than the ABB. With that said, I will admit the rotation of songs is smaller than the past few seasons, but the level of play is top notch, night after night. I saw a show last week with a predictable setlist and it was so lackluster. I was told by someone in the band, hey, we have been on the road 4 months, bound to have an off night. HUH? Well, anyway, next time they come by, I'll take the night off.
ABB is hard to beat right now, no matter what they play. I will put them up against anybody.
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Exactly. Tom Petty as well...yawn.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 01:37 PM
I think a widely varied set list would only be important to those who attend a lot of shows. For me, I'd rather see a great performance than know that the songs were different from the night before.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 01:52 PM
Most bands, even the ones that play different setlists each nite, have to repeat their songs over and over again. That is the nature of popular music. As far as the ABB are concerned, they do a better job mixing things up.

However, they do play songs more often than others. Every time I hear STATESBORO BLUES, I think to myself, aren't they tired of playing it? It's been in their setlists nonstop since 1970... that is 37 years of STATESBORO BLUES! I wouldn't mind if that goes into a light retirement. Same with TROUBLE NO MORE, WHIPPING POST, MIDNITE RIDER, ONE WAY OUT, REVIVAL, IN MEMORY OF ELIZABETH REED. Then I think, those tunes are the ones that made them what they are, and if they are retired, the Allman Brothers Band show will be lacking something big. So I say, let them play STATESBORO BLUES and WHIPPING POST for the 20,000 time. They are too important to let go.

Actually the songs I'd love to see vanish are some of Warren Haynes tunes such as WOMAN ACROSS THE RIVER, THE WEIGHT and ROCKIN' HORSE. I can't bear to hear those overplayed songs anymore, and they aren't very memorable. I love Warren but enough of those songs.

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:15 PM

Actually the songs I'd love to see vanish are some of Warren Haynes tunes such as WOMAN ACROSS THE RIVER, THE WEIGHT and ROCKIN' HORSE. I can't bear to hear those overplayed songs anymore, and they aren't very memorable. I love Warren but enough of those songs.

[Edited on 8/12/2007 by BarrySmith]

You know I have to agree. Warren's presence in the band tastefully allows for something different. Where I heard a good Rockin Horse the other night, I also got sacked with Woman Across The River for the upteenth time. Warren, you know nealry every song ever recorded, shake it up bro.
Despite all this, it will not stop me from attending. it is too much fun!

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:19 PM
I am tired of WATR too-as well as Rockin' Horse, Soulshine, Southbound....ya hear me, Lee? LOL

...and if they NEVER play Old Before My Time again it'll be too soon for me....biggest buzzkill in their repertoire, INMHO....

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:23 PM
4/5/07--how's that for mixing the setlists up a bit!!!!!

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:25 PM
If they play the ingredients off the Kellogs corn flakes box, I am going to LOVE it....

Where's Lee????

He didnt look contorted when they played his 2 favorite songs Friday night.....

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:26 PM
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4/5/07--how's that for mixing the setlists up a bit!!!!!


I know-I was there...along with 4-6, 4-7 and 4-8...only 3 repeats I think over 4 nights and over 10 hours of music...but this was about one stop summer shed shows....

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:26 PM
We would love to have them in California....
 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:29 PM
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You would really love to have me in Cali...

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:38 PM
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I write this as an Allman Brothers fan who attended 7 shows at the last beacon run and listens to the Allman Brothers at home more than any other band....that said,I notice that the band seems to be drifting back to playing the same songs over and over...check their setlists recently the same songs seem to be played night after night...for whatever reason a whole section of their back catalogue seems to be left out of the mix and a small subsection seems to make up the song rotation.I know we have seen this debate covered over and over but why is it that great songs from "seven turns","enlightened rogues""where it all begins"and shades of 2 worlds dont ever seem to make it into the rotation?...whenever i see somebody ask about the setlist recently i almost know what it is going to include without looking...yes,the order of the songs changes and yes a couple of songs will be different but for the most part it is becoming predictable....perhaps i am in the minority but to me the reason i can go to see certain bands over and over is that they change things up from night to night and you never know what you are going to hear on a given night.....i know all the arguments...they play the same song differently,they can really get into the song etc....call me a heretic but I simply love to hear new stuff,unplayed old gems,covers and an unpredictable setlist in general

[Edited on 8/12/2007 by jonbrach]


I agree with you but be careful, the ABB purists will go after you...like " We oughta be lucky the are still playing quality music" replys, and like you said, i know all the arguments...they play the same song differently,they can really get into the song etc so forth.
But I do agree. Yes they rotate songs , but they pretty much pull the percentage of there music from a core group of them. No,we are not getting any new music . Not even any new covers as of late.. whats so hard about that? What happened to Egypt? That's been there newest song ,what about 3 years ago?
I think they pulled that.

I know the deabte and the purists reasoning about why the ABB do not put out much new music. I dont' like it but I do understand to a degree.

It's like I only have a hand full of the Instant Lives, due to the reason of this thread. Yes some of them are different , but some of the songs are the same for the most part. If they have special guests or re-arrange the tune, then it's more interesting.
How many versions of "Dreams" can you have? It's like on the Archival Series and Fillmore, Ludlow and Atlanta, the setlists are the same for the most part. I know it's when they were younger and did not have much of a back catalog,but it's repeatitive with the same songs being released. It reminds me what they do with Hendrix.

It's not the point we are saying that we don't appreciate what they are doing,playing and we should be lucky and so forth. We do appreciate it and . I get bummed when I don't get to see them. Indy use to be a pretty regular stop , but now it's starting to look like every other year if even that.

I remember in 95 when I went to see them and was very suprised that they finally mixed in about 5 songs that I never heard them play before. It made it very refreshing and one of my fav show. I was catching shows yearly up untill then and pretty much predicting the setlists..of course those were the Dickey years and it stayed pretty standard then.

I think all Jonbranch is saying that he, like some of us would like to hear them pull even more and rotate even more. Would you like to hear Salin Across The Devils Sea,Firing Line, and etc..wouldnt' that be a nice suprise to hear at a show to make it even more special or even better,thats all. Nothing wrong with wating that at all.

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:43 PM
Brofan--7/8--JOHNNY WINTER!!!

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:43 PM
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You want predictable, go see almost any other act on tour. Same sets every night throughout the tour. Clapton, Stones, Police, way more predictable than the ABB. With that said, I will admit the rotation of songs is smaller than the past few seasons, but the level of play is top notch, night after night. I saw a show last week with a predictable setlist and it was so lackluster. I was told by someone in the band, hey, we have been on the road 4 months, bound to have an off night. HUH? Well, anyway, next time they come by, I'll take the night off.
ABB is hard to beat right now, no matter what they play. I will put them up against anybody.
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Exactly. Tom Petty as well...yawn.



C'mon, there was no reason to bring Tom Petty into this conversation. I love Petty and although he plays a lot of the same core songs from tour to tour, one thing is for sure that every tour he'll bring out either something very old from his catologue that hasn't been played since it was recorded or he'll bust out some wonderful new covers, like Peter Green's "Oh Well" on his last tour. As well as Handle With Care from the Willbury's, and I think he did a new Willbury's cover on his last tour. So although he does a lot of the same songs every tour, he really does surprise you with a great old gem every tour also. All in all, Petty is an American music icon.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2007 at 03:53 PM
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Yes...I was very lucky to have a front row seat (standing, of course) that night...was about 2 feet directly in front of Oteil (and next to a stunningly beautiful-and very nice-blonde model from Northern Italy named Patrizia) and about 6-10 feet to the right of JW.

Also got to shake Gregg's hand and he signed my ticket after the show....first time meeting him since I became a fan in '72..amd then ran into Oteil walking back to the Milburn after the show.

It was a great night, to say the least.

 

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