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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:11 PM
Anyone catch it on PBS last night?
It was EXCELLENT!

 
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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:13 PM
THe end was bittersweet. But it was very good

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:13 PM
loved it

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:16 PM
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THe end was bittersweet. But it was very good
I wasn't too suprised to hear how Jerry Wexler screwed them the first time they almost lost it all.
But they came back and produced even more classics untill the ultimate end!

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:17 PM
Great stuff. I'm going to buy the DVD. Just love the old footage.
 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:19 PM
Great show! It kind of struck me ... or dawned on me that whenever a creative process starts out (such as a salt an pepper pop-soul combo), everything is fine until somebody smells money. Then the corporate types step in ...

Steve Cropper, Duck Dunn and Booker T all seemed to refer to how the entire Stax venture fell due to "small print in the contract between Stax and the mother company (Atlantic Records). Two other significant events were the death of Otis Redding (Stax' main star) and the assassination of Dr. King (at the Lorane Motel across from the Stax studios).

I admit that I watched the show through several interruptions, so I might have misconstrued a couple of points.

Great interview footage with all involved -including a brief snippet of Tom Dowd.

I hope they re-run this soon.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:29 PM
It was awesome very interesting stuff. Always impressed by PBS and their music history doc's.

If you ever find Wattstax movie its a classic. Great tunes and the crowd shots are classic.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:33 PM
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If you ever find Wattstax movie its a classic. Great tunes and the crowd shots are classic.
I'm gonna' be hunting down that one for sure.Didn't even know about it 'till last night!

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:37 PM
I hate I missed that one, will it be back on the schedule soon??

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 12:58 PM
Otis Redding singing the Temptation's, "My Girl" ... PRICELESS!!!

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 02:23 PM
Nice to see a little Tom Dowd in this show, too.

Have to say, I was turning greener and greener with envy as I watched the audiences that got treated to the Stax tour. Otis, Sam & Dave, Booker T....etc. all at once? Mercy.

Oh to have seen Otis Redding live......

Toward the end, did you notice how Steve Cropper was locked in on Booker T. I think it was Time is Tight. He never took his eyes off him. Those two were having some groovy conversation.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 02:38 PM
When Steve, Booker and Duck were being interviewed at the same time, Cropper said of Booker, "he was the musician, we could play rhythm and dance a little ...". Booker just looked at the interviewer, rolled his eyes and thumb gestured towards Steve.

Seeing the documentary gave me new respect for those guys. They were incredible!

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 02:47 PM
If you are ever in 'mamfus' -make it a point to go to the STAX museum...
not the best part of town, but the COOLEST music related thing in town in my opinion. I dvr'd the thing on PBS and will be enjoying it tonight. This sounds like it'd be cool to watch it juxtaposed to 'standing in the shadows of motown'...
Booker T & the MG's rock!

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 02:55 PM
Is the museum in the old movie theatre?

Jeanne, you hit it on the head "Oh, to have seen Otis!"

Like Duane, another that left us much too soon. Phil Walden sure knew how to pick 'em

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 03:09 PM
I HAVE to try to catch that... Steve Cropper & Donald "Duck" Dunn... WELL, ALL of Booker T & the MGs are so incredible and under-rated. The whole STAX scene was amazing.
 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 03:27 PM
Yes, it was absolutely fantastic. The interviews, film footage, and the incredible music...
it just doesnt get better than that. Now you begin to understand where Duane and Gregg got it......as I have said before, GO TO MEMPHIS!!
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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 03:39 PM
It was an unfortunate run of events for the 1st demise of Stax, with the owner not having read the fine print, and saying him and Wexler had a very heated conversation about Atlantic only "leasing" the performers to them. read the fine print!! that european tour footage is great. amazing how "big" the felt across the ond with no racism and bs.

the Time is Tight footage is bad to the bone indeed. and the shots from WattStax are great, need to see the film. Mavis Staples has some great scenes, old and new. all the footage of the crowds during the 72 to the end are great for the clothes, hairdoos and such.

and issac "$cientologist" hayes at his prime. that's some gaudy stuff they auction off when he's in bankruptcy.

good lord they spent some money in the seventies.

a great documentary. RIP Otis...
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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 03:49 PM
Dammit!! I didnt even know this was going to be on.
 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 07:00 PM
Great show! I talked about it all day at work with one of my friends who seen it as well!
 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 07:54 PM
I would buy this DVD just for the old footage alone. The Sam & Dave clips alone were enough, but this thing is packed with everybody you can think of that recorded with STAX. It is sad to think about what would ultimately become of such a great vision of togetherness. At STAX, all that mattered was the music. If it sounded good, you were in. And they didn't just want your talent, they wanted your heart and soul. They wanted your input, even if what they were doing wasn't popular in the minds of society. Isn't it funny how, even as far as we have come today, I would love to see another STAX records make it big. Perhaps ARTIST HOUSE and JOHN SNYDER can make this a reality?

 

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  posted on 8/2/2007 at 10:20 PM
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I hate I missed that one, will it be back on the schedule soon??
rottin, check the schedule of your local PBS station. Mine is running this Stax thing again tonight at both midnight and 3 a.m.!

In fact, with my station's webpage, first you click the show title in the schedule: Great Performances.
Then another window opens up called "Program Information." On there you can click "Check for more broadcast times in your viewing area."
This shows that our Great Performances epi will be rerun not just twice tonight but also twice on Tuesday, August 7 (or late Monday night; same times as tonight).

I need to watch everything again and again up until Booker T & the MGs broke up (after the tight "Time Is Tight" clip)! I never want to see Mel & Tim again, and Isaac Hayes I can really do without. But I can't get enough of those clips from the Euro Teuro!

 

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  posted on 8/3/2007 at 07:56 AM
I agree about Isaac. After he stepped out in front the vibe changed. The minute they brought those thugs in from NY for 'security' the foundation was cracked. The image of that diamond watch with the emerald IH initials, the fur coat and the macked out Mercedes being auctioned off pretty much turned my stomach. It seems the real magic of what STAX was about got pushed aside. Perhaps buying into that Black Moses a little too much? You could see it in Cropper's face, too, when he talked about it at the end. How the studio became more like an assembly line rather than the organic gathering of talent it had been. All you could do was shake your head and think what a shame.

Al Bell was all for "economic empowerment" and there is nothing wrong with that...but it shouldn't come at the expense of the spirit that created the music in the first place.


Ok, on another note...I wouldn't mind the dTb covering some Booker T & the MGs Yowza. How's about a little Soul Dressing to go with the Soul Stew? *grin*

 

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  posted on 8/3/2007 at 10:45 AM
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When Steve, Booker and Duck were being interviewed at the same time, Cropper said of Booker, "he was the musician, we could play rhythm and dance a little ...". Booker just looked at the interviewer, rolled his eyes and thumb gestured towards Steve.

Seeing the documentary gave me new respect for those guys. They were incredible!
3 of my most prized autographs for sure!
Even if Dunn did sign the back instead of the front were Steve and Booker put their names.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2007 at 05:35 PM
Watched the first 80 minutes again once last night--missed the 3 a.m. rerun.

Yeah, actually you could stop watching after about 60 minutes. It was too weird after that, once Otis got killed and Booker T & the MGs broke up. Too much Al Bell and his greedy emulation of Berry Gordy--and consequent watering down of the real funk in favor of the overorchestrated Isaac Hayes junk.

It was hilarious when Motown was brought up. They showed the Temps doing "My Girl," with their extremely lame dance moves and flat vocals and accompaniment.

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The Temps executing their well-rehearsed negation of funk and soul.

Right after, that one Motown session musician was briefly shown: "Stax and Motown? No comparison! There's only one Joe Louis, only one Muhammad Ali, and only one Motown!"

Then cut to Otis doing "My Girl," backed by Booker T & the MGs and the Memphis Horns! He killed! He made that Motown guy look like an ignorut fool!

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But that Motown thing is totally what Al Bell wanted, and it led to
* so much of the worst of Stax music
* absolutely the worst of the Stax "corporate culture" (buying guns and bringing in muscle from New York; threatening David Porter to keep him away from his former songwriting partner, now solo hitmaker, the "image" of the new Stax, Isaac Hayes! )
* ultimately, financial disaster

This documentary was kowtowing to Al Bell, because it tried to make everyone else look like the villains--first slick Atlantic and Jerry Wexler, then the slick and uncaring Columbia Records, then totally the big bad Union Planters Bank of Memphis. You can read other sources, though (like the great Rob Bowman book Soulsville U.S.A.; Peter Guralnick has put out some great reading on soul, too, including much on Memphis), and Al Bell and his cronies won't come out quite so blameless and victimized--at all. Stax got very greedy and was doing a lot of hinky stuff with the finances.

So, Monday-Tuesday at midnight: Another reshowing of the Stax glory years for me, then cut out (even if I do miss the only tiny bit of Albert King that's shown).



Steve Cropper, Duck Dunn, Tom Dowd, David Porter, Julius Green, Andrew Love, Floyd Newman, Wayne Jackson's hand and trumpet, Isaac's hand and piano

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