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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 07:33 PM
I don't know if its just ME, or if the world is changing, but I used to think I could make a difference. Here lately I'm really questioning the futility of enviornmentalism.

I reuse everything possible. I recycle. I have reduced on both landfill additions as well as gas and energy consumption. But is my drop pn the bucket making a ripple I just can't see. I am beginning to think the only benifit of my efforts has been my personal satisfaction of having done it.

None of he Third world countries could give a rats ass about the enviornment or the EPA, they still offer cheaper labor, and resources, which leads to lower cost imports than can be made locally. I am paying the price, and there really in the long run will be no different outcome, A big ball of fire burning into eternity.

Maybe I'm just waiting on the world to change cause of the subliminals from the John Mayer song you can't get out your head cause its everywhere you go.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 07:42 PM
JR - nothing wrong with having persoanl satisfation for doing something you believe in and I believe a single person can make a difference.
 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 07:50 PM
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JR - nothing wrong with having persoanl satisfation for doing something you believe in and I believe a single person can make a difference.


If each of us acts the same then whether we see it or not we are making a difference. If we lose faith or just give up then we are doomed. We can all make a difference no matter how slight it might be.

My family recycles constantly. Every piece we can. To be honest , my wife deserves most of the credit and she is a great role model for the kids.

I walk whenever possible. Helps the environment and my gut. I never let the car idle at all either.

 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 08:54 PM



We recycle at our house. I water usually with the garden hose because I think sprinklers waste a ton of water getting it everywhere and not just where it is needed. I recycle old motor oil.



 

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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 10:19 PM
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I recycle old motor oil.






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  posted on 7/25/2007 at 10:22 PM
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I recycle old motor oil.






Never eat french fries at Dean's house.


There's no need to, now that we all know his secret.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 03:46 AM
It does make you hold your hands up and - what's the point? - Here in England, if we were to completely stop all our Co2 emmissions and pollution instantly , in 3 months time - at the rate of it's industrial growth, China would have replaced and overtaken what we were emitting in the first place. Seems pretty pointless, i think we're doomed no matter what we do.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 08:59 AM
I have been recycling for a very long time....I always hoped it would make a difference.... I hope somewhere it does...But , yeah it's very scary...

 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 09:11 AM
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It does make you hold your hands up and - what's the point? - Here in England, if we were to completely stop all our Co2 emmissions and pollution instantly , in 3 months time - at the rate of it's industrial growth, China would have replaced and overtaken what we were emitting in the first place. Seems pretty pointless, i think we're doomed no matter what we do.


That's the spirit Dave.

Start my day on that positive note.

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 09:24 AM
JR - billions of people on earth, way too many of them are worried about surviving, and the majority of those billions seem to think the environmnet is some one elses problem.

Don't think like that - will one person's efforts significantly change the human race effect on the environment?

No.

Does that mean don't do your part though?

No.

BTW - we recylce everything, we compost everything "compostable"
Every light in the house is a compact flourescent.
Every applinace is EnergyStar rated.
My car gets 40-43 mpg.
My house is insulated with R49 attic, R21 walls, and has a high efficiency heat pump.

Still feels like we're overly wastful though....

 
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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 09:33 AM
We were composting everything but our yard is not too large and we were getting animals of all sorts. Stopped when I caught the rats. Young kids and rats freaked us out a bit. The skunk wasn't too pleasant either. Not to mention the racoons who seem to believe they own the world.

"Every light in the house is a compact flourescent." Same here and besides the environment angle, the savings are real.



 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 09:56 AM
It can be daunting, for sure...but there's a lot you can do that's low cost or no cost to help...

Keeping the lights off when you're out of the room and using the compact flourescents.

Buy organic food and shop locally.

Don't buy a lot of useless crap with all the packaging.

Recycle everything you can and reuse everythign else that you can.

Ride your bike for short little trips to the post office instead of using your car.

Collect rain in a rain barrel for watering your flowers, plants and garden. Growing your own food doesn't amount to much but even a small garden can produce a lot of food (except for the damn deer)

Then, there's other thing that might be a little more costly but still help.

Live close to where you work. I've got a five minute commute. Our office just moved last year - I was only two minutes away in a car. A nice walk or bike ride to work.

Drive high mileage per gallon vehicles.

Last year we put in a geothermal heating and cooling system in our house. We're not hooked up to natural gas anymore and it's only pennies to cool the house in the summer.

And we contribute to our electric company's "green energy" program. Not a penny of our heating and cooling costs go towards fossil fuels.

Next step is possibly a solar powered system to get off the grid entirely...

There's a lot of things that people can do on their own to help. Does it make a difference? Probably not, but if everyone did it....

 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 10:51 AM
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There's a lot of things that people can do on their own to help. Does it make a difference? Probably not, but if everyone did it....
I think Sandman hit the nail on the head with this one. Do what you can and don't give up hope. It's sad that there are those that don't give a rat's a** but it feels better to care about something in a positive way - anyway it helps me sleep better at the end of the day.

 

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I was on a field trip today and a driver in another bus from another terminal was idling his bus for hours just so he could run the air conditioner. I spoke to him once because we have a policy against this. The guy told me his group was coming out soon. Two hours later that dumb ass was still sitting in the sun idling the bus. I was in the shade under trees, engine off, windows open. It wasn't too bad at all. I reported this guy to my terminal and I think the dispatcher called his terminal. It's just retarded to use that much fuel for no reason.


Also, we compost our leaves, and I experimented with adding clay kitty liter to some of it and I thnk it worked out fine. We bought some of those swirly energy efficient light bulbs too. I drive a four cylinder Toyota pickup.

And in the spirit of conservation I realize now after the fact that I should have practiced CATCH AND RELEASE back when I used to fish a lot. Somebody's got to put some fish back, and I should have put back more.




I also have a recyled CAT.


My cat was a animal shelter cat.




BOO BOO who was a stray that I had for 15 and 1/2 years was also recycled, so to speak, when I gave her a home.


 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 05:58 PM
...some "sort of" appropriate lyrics for this thred from Pop's Staples...Nothing to do with recycling though A great version of this song was recorded by Widespread Panic a few years back.


Hope In A Hopeless World
(by 'Pops' Staples)


Baby born in New York City
Wrapped in a blanket all tattered and worn
Mama's doin' the best she can
It takes hope in a hopeless world


Her eldest son, he stayed in school
Listened to his mother, he never drank or used
But every job he wants he gets refused
It takes hope in a hopeless world


Looking for hope in a hopeless world
Trying to find love in these hateful times
Try to stay strong but my mind is weak
Looking for hope in a hopeless world


Churches are full, but the prayers are not heard
Saturday's child don't wanna to go to Sunday school
Whatever happened to the golden rule
It takes hope in a hopeless world


D'you got a quarter for the homeless man
Spare some change for the soldiers who fought the war
Put a little money in those hats and those tins
Give them hope in a hopeless world


Looking for hope in a hopeless world
Searchin' for love in these hateful times
Try to stay strong but my mind is weak
Ease my mind, ease my mind


And on the corner there stands a young girl
The home she left was in the better part of town
Daddy did things she never talked about
It takes hope in a hopeless world


Somebody out there gotta listen
Somebody out there got to know what Pops been talkin' about
Raise your hand, raise your hands if you're with me
Give us hope in a hopeless world


You've got to listen to the voice inside
Peace and love don't compromise - realize
Time is passing by
Can't be standing still!


[Edited on 7/26/2007 by EddieP]

 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 09:25 PM
Yurtle. If there's nothing else left in the whole world that's worth anything, there's hope. The most important thing for any of us is to never, ever, give up. No matter what. The butterfly wing story is real. I'm proof.

 

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  posted on 7/26/2007 at 10:02 PM
I can't worry about what others do, only whether the person in the mirror is doing something positive, or at least less negative. Most things that help the environment can also affect your bottom line. For instance, my city, since the late 80's, has had "pay as you throw" garbage service. We buy special bags and that is the only cost for garbage service, so the less you discard, the less you pay. Combined with that is free curbside recycling for newspaper, aluminum, glass and plastic bottles. I use only one garbage bag per week at about $1.10/ bag. The city has also provided a free backyard composting unit that produces some great soil additive for the garden. No leaves or grassclippings leave my property.

I will admit to burning some sticks about twice a year. I resisted for the longest time, but the brushpile just got too big. It bugs me to see my neighbors burning the less efficient leaves when they are such a valuable soil enhancer. I am loathe to cut or trim trees; as my trees have matured, the grass underneath has suffered. Instead of worrying about it, I have let those areas go and put down pinestraw and shade loving shrubs. Less mowing, and more shade and decreased A/C bills. My vehicles are not so efficient (gearhead), but doing a few things are better than none. Got a couple of compact flourescents recently, and I see little downside and plan to get more as the incandescents burn out.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2007 at 09:38 AM


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That is the sort of wisdom that is lost on today's generation. And here at the house I sometimes end up with a garbage can full of water because it was placed without a lid too close to the eaves of the house. But there was a time when our ancestors, grandparents, etc, used to collect water in such a fashion. That was one way water was obtained for watering. It is still a good idea.



And Brock mentioned that his city offers FREE mulch or compost. We have at least one landfill or more that also offers this. People just need to recycle more. I wish it was a law that people would have to used MESH bags, the ones you would bring with you, to the grocery store. It's ridiculous how much plastic and paper we used when we simply don't need to.

 

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  posted on 7/27/2007 at 09:52 AM
JaminRebel, they give citizens their own backyard composter, so I make my own. I have considered the gutter/rainbarrel idea, but it's a bit expensive. Also, water your yard in the very early morning, less is lost to evaporation, again saving money (I have a sprinkler system so I admit it's easier for me to do this).

 

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  posted on 7/27/2007 at 09:59 AM
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Oh, OK. I got that a little mixed up. We can get free compost here. I'd rather have one of those composters. Instead I have to turn my leaf pile . I just moved my compost pile onto shrubs and trees this week. I have another big pile of leaves that now have to be put in the compost area which is where I compost the leaves.

 

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