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  posted on 7/5/2007 at 10:48 PM
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Rock muses tell all

GROUPIES | Two dozen ladies famous for loving musicians reveal what goes on backstage, in tour buses, at hotels

July 5, 2007
BY PAIGE WISER pwiser@suntimes.com

Rock 'n' roll groupie Pamela Des Barres is legendary -- and, of course, literary, telling all about her exploits with Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix and more in 1987's I'm With the Band. A history professor once called Des Barres "the Lewis and Clark of wanton women."

Now she adds to the oeuvre with Let's Spend the Night Together: Backstage Secrets of Rock Muses and Supergroupies (Chicago Review Press, $24.95). In it, Des Barres interviews 24 famous "fans" who would do just about anything in the name of music.

"We all started playing guitar for one reason: groupies," testified Gene Simmons of Kiss.

It's an audacious beach read, and informative. Who knew that the King picked up all his best moves from a burlesque beauty queen?

It's also useful. With the summer concert season upon us, it seems like a good time to review some of the best tips on how to get backstage.


Former groupie Cassandra Peterson, pictured in 2004, now is better known as Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.


1. Have a specialty

Tura Satana won the title Miss Japan Beautiful, and the lead in Russ Meyer's 1965 classic "Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!" She also won the heart of Elvis Presley, she said. Their relationship began when he came backstage after a show at Chicago's Follies Theatre.
Satana, who was from Chicago's West Side, told Des Barres that Presley wanted to know how she did the slide and the splits at the same time, how to shimmy, and how she shook all over. She claims she taught him his signature dance style -- and quite a bit about lovemaking, too. "He was definitely worth the effort," she said. Satana went on to bed Frank Sinatra and Tony Bennett.


2. Get a nickname

A girl named Kathleen Dorritie would get the attention of rockers such as Kris Kristofferson and David Bowie by using aliases such as Indian Summer and Party Favor. She eventually became famous in her own right as '70s glam rock star Cherry Vanilla. "I might have seen the name on an ice cream container, but for the life of me I can't remember," she told Des Barres.

Another groupie named Cassandra Peterson spent her youth romping with Jimmy Page, Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley and Tom Jones. These days, you probably know her by the name Elvira, Mistress of the Dark.


3. Get a gimmick

Chicago's own Cynthia Plaster Caster is clearly the best example here. She got the idea to use rock stars as, um, models in a college art class. She stood out from the other groupies because she had a suitcase with a logo on the side that said "Plaster Casters of Chicago." "The bands thought it was hilarious, and the word got around really fast," she told Des Barres, "way before we ever figured out how to actually make a cast [of her subjects' penises]!" Her first attempt at sculpture, with Monkee Peter Tork, failed.

4. Keep an open mind

In her research, Des Barres found the philosophy "I'll try anything once" to be a profound understatement. Case in point: Sweet Connie, a teenager in the '70s who spread the love to band members and the crew backstage.
Her conquests included members of the Who, the Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac, ZZ Topp, Kiss, Rick Springfield, all of the Allman Brothers and Van Halen, two from Led Zeppelin, two Eagles, Johnny Carson bandleader Doc Severinsen and Bill Clinton.

In 1973, Grand Funk Railroad immortalized her in "We're an American Band": "Out on the road for 40 days/Last night in Little Rock put me in a haze/Sweet, Sweet Connie doin' her act/She had the whole show and that's a natural fact."


5. Love the music

In "Almost Famous," Penny Lane preferred the term "Band Aid" to "groupie." Bebe Buell -- Liv Tyler's mom -- considered herself a "muse." "The music was, and is, the most important thing to a true groupie of days gone past," she said. "The modern sense of the term [groupie], I find degrading and false."

Marilyn Manson groupie Lexa Vonn felt a higher calling, too. "I believe music comes from God, or whatever is up there, the higher power source," she said. "Musicians channel that source, and when they look at you with those eyes, it's like being with God."

 

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  posted on 7/5/2007 at 11:13 PM
uh oh...
 

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  posted on 7/5/2007 at 11:23 PM
Nice tips. LOL.

 

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  posted on 7/5/2007 at 11:49 PM
I would have to question Tura Satana and her credit of teaching Elvis his moves....he had those before she came on the scene....of course it's easy to take credit when the other guy is dead.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 06:42 AM
... what those young girls do for you!

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 06:56 AM
"all of the Allman Brothers"................naughty girl
 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 07:14 AM
Doc Severinson? Is that really a name you want to bragg about?

Bill Clinton? Hillary's gotta love it when his name surfaces like that...

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 08:06 AM
Is any of this anything to brag about? EEEWWWW!

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 09:05 AM
This is why I can't stand when a woman likes music she is often labeled a "groupie" I cringe at the word.
 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 09:53 AM
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"all of the Allman Brothers"
I wonder if they were all in the same night?

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 10:17 AM
Previously related....maybe appropriate here.
Also previously related, our little hippie bar in the '70's became quite prominent with Atlanta-area rock bands. One of which was known as Butch Evans and the Buckheads.
One of the owners had a girlfriend that this article brought to mind. She did ol' Butch one night in the walk-in cooler. Gave him a disease. He wrote, recorded, and released a song about the experience. Used to see it on rare occasions around north Ala.-Ga. on juke boxes.
"Pass-Around Pat (is she a dog, or a cat?)."


My only groupie story.


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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 10:38 AM
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This is why I can't stand when a woman likes music she is often labeled a "groupie" I cringe at the word.


EXACTLY!!! Thanks, Julie!

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 10:59 AM
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"all of the Allman Brothers"
I wonder if they were all in the same night?


Sounds like card collecting. "I got all the Allman Brothers!". I wonder if that includes Mike Lawler?

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 11:07 AM
There are women who are fans of the music and wonderful people. Then there are the 'groupies' who only want to 'sleep' with the guys so they can go back and brag about it. I think it's rather sad that trying to be with as many rockers as possible is a life ambition....and come on....it's not that difficult to pick up a lot of musicians....sort of like catching fish in a barrel.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 11:11 AM
thank god the last thing was on the list.......

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5. Love the music

In "Almost Famous," Penny Lane preferred the term "Band Aid" to "groupie." Bebe Buell -- Liv Tyler's mom -- considered herself a "muse." "The music was, and is, the most important thing to a true groupie of days gone past," she said. "The modern sense of the term [groupie], I find degrading and false."

Marilyn Manson groupie Lexa Vonn felt a higher calling, too. "I believe music comes from God, or whatever is up there, the higher power source," she said. "Musicians channel that source, and when they look at you with those eyes, it's like being with God."





i prefer to be a muse over amusement.



one time, some man i worked with said in front of an entire staff meeting that i was a 'groupie'. I freaked out, and damn near almost got him fired. it is a totally derogatory term. having sex with musicans on the road is, er, gross. most of them get around waaaay too much, and have girls all over the place, and likely a wife at home. Gross. I'm just there for the music, not sex. If i feel like i have to have sex with my heros (like that is all i have to give) that means i have some total issues going on.

I prefer to show my appreciation by dancing. i can't imagine that i would feel any closer than i do to my favorite musicians already by doing anything else. Its pretty much how i express just how grateful and happy i am for the effort that they make as they express their love of music for us all to hear and feel.

of course, that is my two cents, your mileage can, and will........vary

[Edited on 7/6/2007 by LinnieXX]

 
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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 11:21 AM
Linnie, you are far too classy to be confused for a groupie!

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 11:22 AM
Well, its 8 o'clock in Boise, Idaho
I'll find my limo driver
Mister, take us to the show
I done made some plans for later on tonight
I'll find a little queen
And I know I can treat her right.

(Chorus)
What's your name, little girl?
What's your name?
Shootin' you straight, little girl?
Won't you do the same?.

Back at the hotel
Lord we got such a mess
It seems that one of the crew
Had a go with one of the guests, oh yes
Well, the police said we can't drink in the bar
What a shame
Won't you come upstairs girl
And have a drink of champagne

What's your name, little girl?
What's your name?
Shootin' you straight, little girl?
For there ain't no shame.

(Chorus)

(Chorus)

9 o'clock the next day
And I'm ready to go
I got six hundred miles to ride
To do one more show, oh no
Can I get you a taxi home
It sure was grand
When I come back here next year
I wanna see you again

What was your name, little girl?
What's your name?
Shootin' you straight, little girl?
Well there ain't no shame
What was your name, little girl?
What's your name?
Shootin' you straight, little girl?
Won't you do the same?


 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 11:33 AM

one time, some man i worked with said in front of an entire staff meeting that i was a 'groupie'. I freaked out, and damn near almost got him fired.


Some responsible manager should have FIRED him on the spot. I would have...

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 11:49 AM
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This is why I can't stand when a woman likes music she is often labeled a "groupie" I cringe at the word.


Not all women music fans are groupies, just the best ones.

Just kidding ladies.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 12:02 PM
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This is why I can't stand when a woman likes music she is often labeled a "groupie" I cringe at the word.


Not all women music fans are groupies, just the best ones.

Just kidding ladies.



whatever. in my experience the groupie girls are just scenesters and are not in it for the music. they serve their purpose. but i digress....

if you want to show your appreciation to a band member, messing with his marriage probably ain't the best way to do it



and bluedad, the guy only got away with it because he has just had a bad understanding of the term GROUPIE, which was corrected. He said something because they mentioned i was going out of town, and my boss said "three guesses" and four people say "an allmans show" and when others looked confused, the dude said "Yeah, shes a groupie for them". I said "EXCUSE ME????????????" and sort of went off on him after the meeting. he saw the light.

 
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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 12:14 PM
Get him Linnie! You ain't no groupie for no band and I agree that the real groupies I've met don't care much about music. They just want to be able to say they did whatever with whoever which kinda tells the whole world they're a rounder. But, I guess it takes all types.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 12:22 PM
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There are women who are fans of the music and wonderful people. Then there are the 'groupies' who only want to 'sleep' with the guys so they can go back and brag about it. I think it's rather sad that trying to be with as many rockers as possible is a life ambition....and come on....it's not that difficult to pick up a lot of musicians....sort of like catching fish in a barrel.
Agree with this. I love music but I would never jump in bed with a stranger just because he knew how to do-wap. That being said, I have known some women who have 'followed the band' so to speak. Whatever - to each her own ... it's not my place to decide how anybody aside from my own self should live their lives. I just prefer to do my dancing on my feet out in front during the show, thank you. (Personal side note - while living in Chicago in the early 70's I did meet the Plaster Caster girls. LOL - those ladies were a trip!!! And they tried to talk me into letting them make a cast of my breasteses but I was not going there. I did get a laugh out of it, though!)

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 12:25 PM
The "groupie scene" is pretty much a thing of the past. While that may not be true for some bands around the scene today, for the Mule, DTB and ABB, there aren't any "groupies" per se. Just a lot of women who dig the music. At least that is what I've seen in the last six years around these bands.

In the craziness of the 60's, 70's and into the 80's the scene was most definitely different, at least I've heard so and the book addresses that time I suppose. I assume HIV/AIDS had a lot to do with the shift away from sex in rock and roll. Also the band members are much older now, more mature and married.

So it is ALL about the music now. Which is probably a reason why there are so many women who are interested and able to go to so many shows without getting bothered or pegged as one of those "groupies."

I can only imagine how much trouble I would have gotten in if I hit the scene in my early 20's. I'd probably have a serious drug problem and at least 5 kids. LOL. It's a good thing I went to school instead, even if I didn't get to see the ABB when they were younger or the Grateful Dead.

Women who behave as groupies are no different from the tons of women who use sex and sexuality to get where they want to go throughout history. In the music scene, outside of the music scene, it is all the same thing. Either you get where you want to go because of who you are (your brains and your skills) or you get somewhere becasue of your sexuality. That kind of approach isn't attractive on either men or women.

It is kind of interesting though when you consider how few women actually do take up rock music as a career. There must be a reason other than women just can't make good music or play a guitar or write good songs. I can only imagine how much sexist bull sh*t women have to face in the business.

Anyway, it would probably be interesting to read the book from a sociological perspective. Though I am sure I will wonder how come the men never got pegged as whore's, just the women.

 

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 12:26 PM
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one time, some man i worked with said in front of an entire staff meeting that i was a 'groupie'. I freaked out, and damn near almost got him fired.


Some responsible manager should have FIRED him on the spot. I would have...
I don't necessarily agree with that...

as Linnie said he was apparently confused as to the literal meaning it was implying... only if it was with malicious intent would I say a reprimand was due... and then if it was a one time thing (not a repeat a-hole thing) the company policy regarding write-ups and what not should be followed.

I've heard a lot of stupid things come out of peoples mouths over the years (including my own) and it wouldn't really serve society to fire people for an inadvertent slight.

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  posted on 7/6/2007 at 12:44 PM
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Nice tips. LOL.


Nice what?

 

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