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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 12:20 PM
I asked my wife to consider a guitar as a gift for me and about 2 years ago she relented and bought me a Yamaha F350 (i believe thats right) from a friend of a friend. I played around with it for 2 nights, set it down, and didnt pick it up again until last night. My question has to do with how to start. A friend suggested learning D, A, and G, and practicing them until my fingers couldnt handle it anymore - then practice those cords some more. He also suggested a basic cord book, but I cant remember the name of it. I am in need of some brotherly (and sisterly) encouragement, and some good advice on how to start. Thaks in advance.
 
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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 12:25 PM
Since you're that close to being an absolute empty slate, I would recommend lessons. It might make for a slower start, but you'll be learning theory (get a good teacher) which will come in handy down the road.

I was/am one of those self-taught guys. Like you said, I learned several chords and played them till the neighbors complained. I can pick stuff up ... a little, but knowing theory and playing proper (using ALL the fingers) would be a blessing. Also, as a self-taught guy, I seemed to have reached a plateau several years back. Every now and then, some kind soul will show or teach me something new, but I often find myself ... stagnated.

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 12:30 PM
Just go for it. I quote whoever said it," play to be good not famous."

I have been thinking about getting a upright bass. I was talking to my son about it and he asked are you going to do this like you play golf? I asked what do you mean. He said are you going to play right handed or left handed. That was a good question. I started and learned to play golf left handed. Then I switched to right handed which for awhile I play either way equally as good.
I have settled to right handed now for the past 10 years or so.

That question still plays through my mine, left or right. I have fiddled with the guitar before right handed. Some of the chords are tough for me to pull off. I use to say it was because of my short stubby fingers. Then I saw Warren play. That cant be my excuse (short stubbby fingers) anymore. When I get the upright, I am going to start off left handed. Then take if from there. This is funny, but when I was younger and played the air guitar (broomstick) left handed always felt better.............................................

 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 12:36 PM
thanks guys. I hope, and plan on, sticking with it. I do have long fingers, so I'm hoping thats a positive.
 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 12:44 PM
plug it in to an amp....

TURN IT ALL THE WAY UP.....
make loud , painful , distorted sounds for as long as you can stand it...

then take lessons

 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 12:44 PM
If you have the time and money, I'd agree with Rusy and suggest getting lessons. I've been playing for less than a year and taught myself and plan on taking some lessons soon because I feel like I'm not getting as much out of playing as I could. For basic practice and beginning though work on all the open chord shapes, which are G, C, D, A, D, and E. You can find plenty of very popular songs that are very simple and follow progressions using a few of these. Practice them and possibly find a song until you can move from one chord to another relatively smoothly. If you don't do lessons you can find lots of online music theory stuff, something that I feel, and some would agree, is important to playing well. If nothing else get a feel for the basic I-IV-V progression, which makes up a huge number of songs. In G its G-C-D, in A its A-D-E. So a lot of songs can be played using the 6 chords listed above. The three your friend told you are I-IV-V in D, or D-G-A. Check out the shop talk forum too, if you go through some pages there is a lot of advice on everything possible...its really helped me out.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 12:59 PM
I believe the F350 is an acoustic guitar, right? Much harder to get started on than an electric - you may want to take it to a local guitar tech and see if the action and setup can be made easier on your hands because these things sometimes come from the factory with brutal action and a good setup can make things much easier on the fingers. Easier action leads to faster progress and greater satisfaction with the sounds you're making. Stick with it.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 01:14 PM
if you don't start w/lessons there's a million and one learning sites online and vid clips on youtube


for starters you want to learn major/minor for all open chords, and major/minor for all barre chords based on 6th string E shape, 5th string A shape, and 4th string D shape. Also learn major scale and minor scale (Ionian and Aeolian) and begin learning them in each key

after that I'd say learn min7/maj7/dom7/sus4 and 9th chords for open chords and barre chords. Also learn Mixolydian and Dorian scales in each key and start to learn about modes and how they relate



That will get you a good ways...learn some songs all the way thru, play with others who can show you things, try soloing here and there, learn some theory...play, play, play

 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 01:19 PM
I Have a good friend that went to Berklee in Boston. He went in playing guitar and came out playing everything. He teaches guitar/bass now in some local colleges here in NC. I did take piano lessons when I was younger. I grabbed a couple of music books recently and I was amazed at how much I did learn and remember from those lessons. Now I really have an itch to learn to play bass.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 01:43 PM
Be sure you get an amp that goes to 11.
 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 01:44 PM
MEL BAY 101...learn the chords and finger positions. Pick a few favorite songs and
put 'em on repeat and play it over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....ok, you get the picture. The first song I learned was All My Friends. It had a bunch of chords that almost drove me crazy but both my brothers were playing the tune
so I had to get it....Now, upon learning a few basic chords and things....learn LAFE, all of it, and you will be able to play anything you want.
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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 02:06 PM
There are two basic keys. Practice relentlessly. You will feel great pain at first but it will go away as you build up callouses. The two keys to getting to the first real plateu are knowing all the basic open chords without having to think about it and being able to make quick switches from chord to chord in rhythm. Once you can do that, you will be on your way. It took me about a year of constant playing to reach that point from being an absolute beginner. Also, learn basic music theory and understand the relationship of chords to each other and learn the 12 bar blues which is the basis of most pop/rock songs.

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A friend suggested learning D, A, and G, and practicing them until my fingers couldnt handle it anymore - then practice those cords some more.

Yeah, about practice time - don't feel like you have to play for hours and hours right away. It's going to be uncomfortable at first, and if you do it until it hurts really bad, you won't have fun and it'll be hard to go back to playing the next day.

Lessons aren't a bad idea, but you should figure out what you want to learn. Set some goals and try to learn some songs you like.

 

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  posted on 6/20/2007 at 03:16 PM
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Be sure you get an amp that goes to 11.


Sorry in advance. I don't mean to thread-jack, but for all of you Spinal Tap fans:



http://cbs4.com/watercooler/watercooler_story_170162504.html
Jun 19, 2007 4:21 pm US/Eastern

Calif. Man Battles DMV Over Personal Plate

CBS) SACRAMENTO One guy is going head-to-head with a California DMV over his head-turning vanity license plate.

There are tens of thousands of these plates on the streets. But before it gets onto your car, it has to pass the screeners here at the DMV. It can't offensive or indecent. But there are some mistakes that hit the streets and they get about one hundred calls a year on that.

"I had the plate for about five years now," said Keith Wagner, owner of some controversial vanity plates.

The plate hate debate hit just this month and Keith Wagner can't figure out why.

"It says 'go to 11'," said Wagner.

Someone else's interpretation had the DMV putting the brakes on this bumper billboard.

Keith got a letter telling him to turn in his tags because, "someone said is says 'go to hell' and I said 'no it doesn't'," said Wagner.

"Someone says it says 'go to hell'. It says go to 11," said Keith referring to a scene in the movie "This Is Spinal Tap".

So far, it's not a good enough explanation for the DMV.

"The question is that reasonably would it offend a number of people?" said Steve Haskins, DMV.

This could turn out to be a slippery slope. Someone could be offended by just about anything. Take this license plate, it says "AREDHED". What if she's not natural? Should she have to return her license plate for fraud?

"There's a degree of common sense that you have to look at," said Haskins.

The DMV routinely rejects plates that could be indecent of offensive, like this one for (heart shape)BOOBI.

Keith has had his plates for five years and going to court to keep it.

I tried to push him to tell me what his license plate will have on it if he has to go to court over this. He said whatever it is it will have "DMV" in it.

( MMVII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)


[Edited on 6/20/2007 by Zambi]

 

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