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  posted on 6/18/2007 at 10:39 PM
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Unfortunately, the human race has suffered its sixth tragic loss in six years of Bonnaroo. Cody Conover of Lancaster, KY was pronounced dead at the hospital after his friends led him to medical professionals at the festival, Friday morning, stating that something was terribly wrong.

Unfortunately, this is too common. This is precisely the reason why I have trouble understanding why festival organizers insist on scheduling this sort of festival in the dead of summer in the hottest, and most humid, places in the country. I have never been to Bonnaroo, and I don't expect that I ever will.

What disturbs me most about this, is the comment made by Ashley Capps, founder of AC Entertainment, one of the organizers of the event. She said that, "When you look at it in the context of 80,000 and one year 90,000 people gathering together for four days, the track record is phenomenal." She continued by saying, "We are proud of that, but don't take it for granted." I'm sorry, but, you call an average of one death per festival a "good track record"? Is she f*cking serious? I would be highly concerned about one death over the course of the six years! Considering the two organizations (AC and Superfly) just purchased the 500 acre property where the festival is held (200 additional is leased for camping and parking), I imagine that they will not be considering a change of venue. I would hope that they may consider changing the dates, but I doubt it. After all, you have to maximize profits by holding these ventes during the summer when schoolkids are on break. Wanee is held at the perfect time of year, with the perfect amount of people. THOSE organizers, do not maximize profit, but they maximize comfort and enjoyment for the attendees.

I hope this hasn't brought anyone down.

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  posted on 6/18/2007 at 11:03 PM
I agree with Ms Capps. In light of all the drinking and drugging that must go on, one death a year is amazingly modest. They must work very hard to keep things safe for the number of people who go there every year who don't die. More people die on an average day in every city USA, than has died at the event each year. Just saying, you need to keep things in perspective.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 03:46 AM
It's so very disturbing to hear about people dying at concerts. They couls move this concert back to May , but they don't want to mess with Jazzfest & the Memphis in May.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 04:04 AM
I'm going to side with the ones posting that this is not a good record regarding deaths for a festival involving 80-90,000 people.

College football programs like Ohio St, Tennessee, Michigan, and Penn St have over 100,000 people in their stadiums every Saturday, with thousands not going in, but surrounding the stadiums tailgating. And there is without a doubt some hard core partying going on.

Yet deaths are extremely rare. Certainly not one every year.

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 06:44 AM
Maybe a nice venue up north would be a good switch or move it to other parts of the country every year so people out west or where ever won't have such a long distance to travel.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 07:10 AM
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I agree with Ms Capps. In light of all the drinking and drugging that must go on, one death a year is amazingly modest. They must work very hard to keep things safe for the number of people who go there every year who don't die. More people die on an average day in every city USA, than has died at the event each year. Just saying, you need to keep things in perspective.

Wanee just completed its third year, right? There have been what, maybe 50,000 people per year? How many deaths have occurred?

Coachella has been going every year since 1999 in Indio, CA, with the exception of 2000, and they haven't experience one death. I can site more examples, if you'd like. So, explain to me the logic behind Miss Capps' statement.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 07:32 AM
I think the first year at Wanee there were maybe 5 K people, 7K the second year and this year maybe 10K very small compared to Bonnaroo

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 07:33 AM
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I think the first year at Wanee there were maybe 5 K people, 7K the second year and this year maybe 10K very small compared to Bonnaroo
MamaT, as full as the concert field was on the Saturday ABB set, I'd venture to say there were 15,000 there.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 07:43 AM
hmmm, BD, Joe Bell told me that the promoters started with 7K tickets sold on Thursday which was the same as they sold for the second Wanee. Do you think they doubled the amount of tickets sold at the gate last time? I knew it was crowded but I can't judge numbers of people. I know that the word got out about this festival and now lots of people know the secret.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 07:45 AM
All I know is the concert field appeared to be full, from the stage all the way back. I hope Wanee never takes the size and shape of a Bonnaroo.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 07:51 AM
I have heard that they put close to 20K people in that park for a show a few years back (something Dead related I think). Can you imagine that??? Scary thoughts for me. I hate porta potties.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 07:54 AM
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I have heard that they put close to 20K people in that park for a show a few years back (something Dead related I think). Can you imagine that??? Scary thoughts for me. I hate porta potties.
Roger that!! Especially late at night!

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 08:32 AM
My daughter has gone to Bonnaroo the past 2 years. Last year, instead of going to senior beach week at Myrtle, she went to Bonnaroo as her graduation present. We have a discussion before she goes about safety, hydration, not accepting gifts from strangers, getting medical care if she needs it, etc. She said there were numerous announcements regarding hydration, seeking shade, recognizing heat stroke. She comes home tired and a little sunburned. There is no comparison to the war stories that follow senior beach week. As a parent, I am way more relaxed that she is at Bonnaroo.

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 08:58 AM
No death(anywhere) should be taken lightly.......

People(kids) definitely need to educate themselves on festivals/camping shows.

HYDRATION....HYDRATION.......HYDRATION..........and definitely pace yourself on EVERYTHING that you do!

I have been going to massive festivals/gatherings ever since I was a small child,myself........so trust me,I can understand how things can get crazy in the heat & late at night.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 09:16 AM
Just a small point. Ashley Capps must be very surprised to learn that he is a she. Having known him for a few years, I can say that even in a dress, there's no mistaking him for a her. Beyond that, any death is tragic, however.... There are other events that draw large amounts of people to one place, and these things happen. How many heart attack deaths occur at religious gatherings like a Billy Graham crusade? Is anyone suggesting that we don't have these type of events? There were several heart attacks at Fan Fair this year, including one of my stage managers, but there was no mention in the news of that. Still waiting to hear if one of those has passed, as the EMT's had one case they thought would not make it. The death at Bonnaroo made the news because it is assumed that it must be drug related, even though there is no preliminary evidence to base that on. Again, one of the heart attacks st Fan Fair happened to an individual who was falling down drunk. Wouldn't that be an example of a drug related incident?
 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 09:32 AM
It's unfair to criticize the festival w/ the cause of death still unknown. But when a 25 yr old male dies, one has to suspect something's up w/ him like drugs, and alcohol is also a drug. Not at all the same as when an oldster dies at a football game or tent revival.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 09:48 AM
I would be concerned about a death per year. I have been to countless shows and festivals and there has been no deaths.

I don't blame the promoters for the deaths but to try and justify it with a statement that the odds are actually pretty good is rather lacking in respect and taste.

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 09:55 AM
I too have been doing the festival thing for decades along with all sorts of other huge events and while I agree with most points here, life and death do occur regardless of when we would all like it to happen.

The promoters of this event need to fire Ms. Capp immediately and hire a real publicist to impart the information to the public with grace and class. This woman, trying to justify a death publically is ludicrous.

The cause of death is not relevant unless he was killed by someone else, thus opening another door for debate.

It happens, probably more than most of us think and I am sure that most of us can do the math as to the ratio of people to deaths, so trying to justify it is just plain wrong.



 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 10:05 AM
I haven't read the article, but no one here has made ANY mention of what kind of medical faciliities they have at Bonnaroo. I'm a medical professional myself, and I'm sorry, but if they are AVERAGING one death per year out of 80,000 kids, my gut perception is that something is very, very wrong here. At a festival of that size, there would have to be M.D.s and quite a few RN's on site, with a variety of equipment and medications at their disposal. Basically, it's GOT to be a portable emergency room. And one kid in his/her twenties is dying EVERY year? NO, NO, NO...........something wrong here, folks. SHOULD NOT BE HAPPENING. Question for anyone who has an informed answer: Who, if anyone, is responsible for overseeing and/or inspecting the medical facilities at such an event???

 

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 10:14 AM
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Just a small point. Ashley Capps must be very surprised to learn that he is a she. Having known him for a few years, I can say that even in a dress, there's no mistaking him for a her.

The gender of this individual is irrelevant.
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I would be concerned about a death per year. I have been to countless shows and festivals and there has been no deaths.

I don't blame the promoters for the deaths but to try and justify it with a statement that the odds are actually pretty good is rather lacking in respect and taste.

Thank you, for getting each point.

 

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Just a small point. Ashley Capps must be very surprised to learn that he is a she. Having known him for a few years, I can say that even in a dress, there's no mistaking him for a her.
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I would be concerned about a death per year. I have been to countless shows and festivals and there has been no deaths.

I don't blame the promoters for the deaths but to try and justify it with a statement that the odds are actually pretty good is rather lacking in respect and taste.
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Thank you, for getting each point.


Opps, didn't read all the posts. I stand corrected and apoligise to Mr. Capps for that error. I would still fire his a*& however!

 

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I have attended more than a few festivals in my lifetime and Bonnaroo was by far the most indulgent atmosphere that I have ever experienced. Mind you nothing wrong with that if you are a mature adult. However, maturity was a not a word that I would use to desribe my fellow Bonnaroo camper/concert attendee. Drugs of all kinds were far to easy to obtain, and there were kids indulging that were way out of their league. My fellow camp mates ( in VIP of all places) were 15 old kids that were much more excited about Shakedown Street than most of the shows.They were laying in the mud crying X-ed out, salviaed out, coked out and eating valiums to come down. I literally thought one kid died the last night of the show. This type of behavior is nothing new to the scene and will continue as long as there are festivals. However, one should not be able too so freely openly purchase drugs at a show. The police presence was a sham as they openly alllowed the sale of drugs ( watched a guy break out triple beams and weigh out rock right in front of the cop mounted on the horse). Kids know Bonnaroo is a drug fest. One can not compare it to Spring Break at the beach. I do not think there is a massive street at the beach where kids can freely and openly purchase any drug that they can imagine. Additionally, there should be many more medical staff on foot. They should be looking for kids laying in the mud face down, kids crying hysterically or even worse kids laying down passed out in the mud.Bonnaroo officials have created a massive drugfest (and damn well know its reputation) and will have deaths every year if nothing changes. Again, not throwing stones at drug use. However youngsters should not be able to EASILY obtain any drug.

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 11:10 AM
Apologies to Capps for the mistake.

Certainly, one death is not something to ignore. Never said that.

However, all things considered (check Buzzy's post), it is rather amazing that there aren't more deaths. If I had to make an assessment from the Bonnaroo death statistics, I would say they are doing an excellent job at keeping 99.9999999999999999999999999 percent of the concert goers safe.

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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 12:34 PM
It was almost two...Ornette Coleman collapsed during his set due to dehydration & heat exhaustion.
 
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  posted on 6/19/2007 at 03:05 PM
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It's unfair to criticize the festival w/ the cause of death still unknown. But when a 25 yr old male dies, one has to suspect something's up w/ him like drugs, and alcohol is also a drug. Not at all the same as when an oldster dies at a football game or tent revival.


I agree. Six deaths at Bonnaroo and the heat only is blamed??? Guess again. OD is more like it. Unfortunately the 'new hippy' movement apparently includes losing folks to overdose just as the original, and only, true hippy movement did. I did my share of everything back in the day, nothing I didn't do, but I managed to time out and control the limits of what I was doing. Six deaths is out of hand. This isn't heart attacks by older folks or whatever. It's braindead.

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