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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:15 PM
So I'm giving this album a listen today and I'm wondering why it always seems to rate high on people's lists of best albums of all time.

Was it considered ground breaking at the time ? I've heard it compared to Sgt. Pepper. I don't think it really compares to anything by the Beatles from Rubber Soul on.

I can tell there's lots of orchestration going on and the harmonies are nice but I still don't get what is so essential about this album. Some of it reminds me of Phil Spector type production which he was doing a few years earlier .

I'm generally a fan of the older Beach Boys pop singles which I think are totally catchy and cool even if they seem kind of cheesy. It's all fun. This album just doesn't do it for me

Anyone care to enlighten me ?

 
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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:17 PM
I'd agree with some of what you say with this caveat. Read any article (and there are lots of them) about what Paul McCartney thought about Brian Wilson.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:23 PM
Listen to the album closely and try to pick out all the different instruments and other musical effects. If possible, take your mind away from the great harmonies and the familiar tunes we all know- it's the other stuff, the studio magic of Brian Wilson that makes this such an amazing album. It took me awhile to appreciate this album, but one day I gave it a listen to hear all the nuances that someone like McCartney would've heard. When I did that, my eyes were open to what everyone has always said about this album- that it is groundbreaking and beautiful.
 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:25 PM
Tommars....Pet sounds was considered ground-breaking on a studio/technology level for it's time. Because of that, the album is compared to Sgt Peppers. The 'layering' of sound, multi-tracking, harmonies and melodies sets the album apart from anything done before it was released.

Then McCartney created Sgt Peppers and Brian Wilson didn't leave his home for 20 years.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:32 PM
pet sounds was Wilson's response to Rubber Soul.

Then the Beatles came back with Sgt. Pepper.

It's all good.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:36 PM
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So I'm giving this album a listen today and I'm wondering why it always seems to rate high on people's lists of best albums of all time.

Was it considered ground breaking at the time ? I've heard it compared to Sgt. Pepper. I don't think it really compares to anything by the Beatles from Rubber Soul on.


THANK YOU SO MUCH for saying this. i wondered myself.

pet sounds was Wilson's response to Rubber Soul.

Then the Beatles came back with Sgt. Pepper.

and Brian Wilson said "Ok, i'll get back to you later........"

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:46 PM
The historical perspective gives it a little more weight. Thanks for the replies. I'm not putting down the Beach Boys or Brian Wilson by any means. I just think this going to be one of those master works that I just won't listen to much but I'll give it another few goes on the head phones.


 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 04:01 PM
I personally like Pet Sounds but can understand your question, Tommars, given what is available technologically today. I think one of the reasons it remains on so many 'Top X' lists is that is was advanced for it's time. Like stonbw said in his post - listen carefully and you can hear all the layers in the music and harmonies as well as instruments and sound effects which had not been used in popular music up to that point (there were over 50 session artists involved in this - quite a few for a rock-and-roll album at that time or even now). God Only Knows is on my rather long list of favorite songs - I absolutely love this song and the harmonies on this are to die for...they have had me in tears. I also really like Sloop John B. I don't love every cut off this album but I respect the musical genius behind it.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 04:05 PM
There was a beach boys special on last weekend on PBS.

Wilson was saying that with these songs he was moving to songs about relationships
and real emotions and away from songs about cars and surfing.

"Caroline No" is my favorite.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 07:31 PM
Tommars.... this disc might require cultivating a taste
for ... kinda like your first few beers or something... but
it definitely grows on ya bigtime. With a few more listens...
maybe just as background while you're doing chores or
something ... and I think you'll become a believer that
there is something deep going on there. And when you
transpose that back to '65 you start to feel some real
appreciation.
My 2 favs are "Wasn't Made For These Times" and "Don't
Talk". But "God Only Knows" goes beyond being just a fav
song... that cut sung by Carl is on a completely different
level of songwriting, vocalization, musicianship, production,....
all of it.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2007 at 12:53 AM
Huge Brian fan here.

And I agree with Josh. PS was a groundbreaking achievement for its time, with sound layering, harmonies. I think the lyrics get a little overlooked at times as well.( Tony Asher played a huge role in this.)


"You Still Believe In Me"
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Brian Wilson/Tony Asher



I know perfectly well
I'm not where I should be
I've been very aware
You've been patient with me

Every time we break up
You bring back your love to me
And after all I've done to you
How can it be

You still believe in me

I try hard to be more
What you want me to be
But I can't help how I act
When you're not here with me

I try hard to be strong
But sometimes I fail myself
And after all I've promised you
So faithfully

You still believe in me

I wanna cry . . .



"That's Not Me"
Irving Music, Inc. BMI
Brian Wilson/Tony Asher



I had to prove that I could make it alone
But that's not me
I wanted to show how independent I'd grown now
But that's not me

I could try to be big in the eyes of the world
What matters to me is what I could be to just one girl

I'm a little bit scared
Cause I haven't been home in a long time
You needed my love
And I know that I left at the wrong time
My folks when I wrote them
Told 'em what I was up to said that's not me

I went through all kinds of changes
Took a look at myself and said that's not me
I miss my pad and the places I've known
And every night as I lay there alone I will dream

I once had a dream
So I packed up and split for the city
I soon found out that my lonely life wasn't so pretty
I'm glad I went now I'm that much more sure that we're ready

I once had a dream
So I packed up and split for the city
I soon found out that my lonely life wasn't so pretty

I once had a dream
So I packed up and split for the city
I soon found out that my lonely life wasn't so pretty




 

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  posted on 6/9/2007 at 01:22 AM
Check out Dennis Wilson's "Pacific Ocean Blue."

Under-rated masterpiece. I've turned so many folks on to this album over the years.

("Pet Sounds" is good too )

 

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  posted on 6/9/2007 at 05:44 AM
There are good songs on PET SOUNDS but there is one problem that I have with it, something that seems to be overlooked: The album is NOT a group effort. I believe on most, if not all of the tracks, studio musicians were used. I am sure Brian Wilson was the head of the show, but if the rest of the Beach Boys' input was minimal, it could hardly be considered a true Beach Boys effort.

I know that Sgt Pepper, although produced by George Martin and contained many outside musicians, was masterminded by John Paul & George (with help from Ringo). There was more direct involvement by all the core bandmates, which makes it a more legitimate group effort.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2007 at 08:22 AM
I just hate it when Wharfy sings...........

 

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  posted on 6/9/2007 at 08:29 AM
FYI, it was Wilson's response to REVOLVER, not Rubber Soul.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2007 at 08:00 AM
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Check out Dennis Wilson's "Pacific Ocean Blue."

Under-rated masterpiece. I've turned so many folks on to this album over the years.

("Pet Sounds" is good too )




Been looking for this for years. I had the LP aVERY long time ago and dont know what happened to it.
The last time I checked ebay they wanted HUNDREDS for this

 

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I just hate it when Wharfy sings...........


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quote:
FYI, it was Wilson's response to REVOLVER, not Rubber Soul.



Yup.. didnt catch that.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2007 at 08:25 AM
I used to like the Beach Boys when I was eight or nine years old and first started collecting records. I'm pretty sure "Endless Summer" was my first album I ever bought. I remember thinking California was this far off, exotic place and wondered if I would ever go there. ( I was living in the Chicago suburbs at the time.) The music was easy to listen to and pretty straight forward. ( At least thematically-girls, cars, friends, the beach,etc.) Once I discovered the Beatles I dropped the Beach Boys immediately and didn't look back. As I have gotten older and started listening to more blues, jazz, and jambands; the Beach Boys just don't cut it anymore. Certainly this is a pretty harsh view of the band and somewhat undeserved. I guess since they were the first band I really liked, they were the first band I dismissed. Maybe I should revisit them again.

 

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  posted on 6/12/2007 at 08:35 AM
I ditched them also at one point.. for the same reason as you.

Now I am back

 

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