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  posted on 6/7/2007 at 07:35 PM
President Bush's Surgeon General Nominee, James W. Holsinger, explains medically why he believes homosexuality is wrong, and dangerous.

"Homosexuality Isn't Natural or Healthy"
By Jake Tapper
ABCNews

Wednesday 06 June 2007

Bush's choice for top doc compared human genitalia to pipe fittings; said homosexual practices can cause injury or death.

President Bush's nominee for Surgeon General, Dr. James W. Holsinger, wrote a paper in 1991 that purported to make the medical argument that homosexuality is unnatural and unhealthy.

Holsinger, 68, presented "The Pathophysiology of Male Homosexuality" in January 1991 to a United Methodist Church's committee to study homosexuality. The Church was then considering changing its view that homosexuality violates Christian teaching, though it ultimately did not do so. Relying on footnotes from mainstream medical publications, Holsinger argued that homosexuality isn't natural or healthy.

Noting that Holsinger also belongs to a church that offers a ministry to "cure" gays of the sexual orientation, gay and lesbian rights advocates immediately protested Holsinger's nomination. "His writings suggest a scientific view rooted in anti-gay beliefs that are incompatible with the job of serving the medical health of all Americans," said the Human Rights Campaign in a statement. "It is essential that America's top doctor value sound science over anti-gay ideology."

Neither Holsinger, a professor of preventive medicine at the University of Kentucky College of Public Health, nor the White House returned calls for comment. When announcing his nomination on May 24, President Bush said that as "America's chief health educator, (Dr. Holsinger) will be charged with providing the best scientific information available on how Americans can make smart choices that improve their health and reduce their risk of illness and injury."

Holsinger's paper argued that male and female genitalia are complimentary - so much so "that it has entered our vocabulary in the form of naming pipe fittings either the male fitting or the female fitting depending upon which one interlocks within the other." Body parts used for gay sex are not complimentary, he wrote, and "When the complementarity of the sexes is breached, injuries and diseases may occur."

Holsinger wrote that "(a)natomically the vagina is designed to receive the penis" while the anus and rectum - which "contain no natural lubricating function" - are not. "The rectum is incapable of mechanical protection against abrasion and severe damage ...can result if objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted into the rectum," Holsinger wrote.

The cardiologist details many different diseases gay men can catch, and several sexual practices they may engage in, including "anal eroticism" which can lead to injuries and even death. "From the perspective of pathology and pathophysiology, the varied sexual practices of homosexual men have resulted in a diverse and expanded concept of sexually transmitted disease and associated trauma..."

In the context of the larger argument in his church as to whether homosexuality should be accepted, Holsinger presented the medical and scientific argument that anal intercourse was not natural. "It is absolutely clear that anatomically and physiological the alimentary and reproductive systems in humans are separate organ systems; i.e., the human does not have a cloaca," he said, referring to the posterior orifice that serves as the one opening for genital, urinary and intestinal tracts in amphibians, birds, and reptiles. The Surgeon General nominee writes that "even primitive cultures understand the nature of waste elimination, sexual intercourse, and the birth of children. Indeed our own children appear to 'intuitively' understand these facts."

The US Senate confirmation hearings for Holsinger, which will proceed through the Senate Health Education Labor and Pensions Committee, chaired by Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., have not been scheduled. Kennedy's office did not offer a comment on the burgeoning controversy.

Holsinger holds a doctorate in anatomy and physiology and an M.D. from Duke University, and spent much of his career working for the Veteran's Health Administration. From 2003 to 2005 he was Kentucky's secretary of the Cabinet for Health and Family Services.


Comments: The debates will be coming on Capitol Hill, but how can anybody argue with what he has said? He is speaking from a medical standpoint.

 

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  posted on 6/7/2007 at 10:05 PM
Heterosexual behaviour can also result in injury.....he may be accurate but it's just another excuse for Bush to appoint someone who is anti-gay to a position in this government .

Dr. Elders was right about a number of things too but you know what happend to her!

"If I had to do it again, I would do it exactly the same way," declared former U.S. Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders -- even though she was forced to resign only 15 months after her appointment because of her outspoken views on drugs, abortion and sex education in schools.

 

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"(a)natomically the vagina is designed to receive the penis" while the anus and rectum - which "contain no natural lubricating function" - are not. "The rectum is incapable of mechanical protection against abrasion and severe damage ...can result if objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted into the rectum,"

Holsinger presented the medical and scientific argument that anal intercourse was not natural. "It is absolutely clear that anatomically and physiological the alimentary and reproductive systems in humans are separate organ systems; i.e., the human does not have a cloaca," he said, referring to the posterior orifice that serves as the one opening for genital, urinary and intestinal tracts in amphibians, birds, and reptiles."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these statements not irrefutable from a strictly medical standpoint? .... sounds like someone trying to drum up opposition to me.

Once again, trying to paint people into labels.

 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these statements not irrefutable from a strictly medical standpoint? .... sounds like someone trying to drum up opposition to me.


I agree, but oh boy they'll be refuted, just wait and watch this thread.....

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 12:20 PM
Given Gina's views, I have no idea if she's for this guy or against him or what.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these statements not irrefutable from a strictly medical standpoint?

As far as I know, and I'm no doctor, that part is correct, but the criticism isn't based on that one quote.

If he was actually making the "it's not natural" argument, yeah, I'd say it's refutable in that humans have been doing it since time immemorial. "Natural" isn't a scientific word, it's a judgment. [Some people say gay sex isn't natural but ignore the fact that dozens of species, including some of humanity's closest relatives, aren't as uptight about that stuff as we are.]

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 12:51 PM
Jeez. What happened to seperation of church and state?
 

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can result if objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted into the rectum,"


I would say if sharp and pointed objects were inserted elsewhere there would be damage.



 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 02:19 PM
Ouch. that guitar???

i think more the KY would be advised...

 

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"(a)natomically the vagina is designed to receive the penis" while the anus and rectum - which "contain no natural lubricating function" - are not. "The rectum is incapable of mechanical protection against abrasion and severe damage ...can result if objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted into the rectum,"

Holsinger presented the medical and scientific argument that anal intercourse was not natural. "It is absolutely clear that anatomically and physiological the alimentary and reproductive systems in humans are separate organ systems; i.e., the human does not have a cloaca," he said, referring to the posterior orifice that serves as the one opening for genital, urinary and intestinal tracts in amphibians, birds, and reptiles."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these statements not irrefutable from a strictly medical standpoint? .... sounds like someone trying to drum up opposition to me.

Once again, trying to paint people into labels.




You do realize that this idiot actually believes that gays can be "cured", right"? Furthermore, why do you care what two consenting adults do in the bedroom?

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 02:58 PM
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Body parts used for gay sex are not complimentary,


the way this guy talks it sure sound as if he could fit a complimentary body part right into his mouth without hurting himself.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:01 PM
My ass is sore just from reading this.

 

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You do realize that this idiot actually believes that gays can be "cured", right"?

Yeah... you have to compliment Crossroad's open-mindedness there. Even when there's an obvious conclusion to draw from the evidence at hand, he's so open-minded he won't see it.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 03:18 PM
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My ass is sore just from reading this.
it should be... thanks for coming over last night...

 

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My ass is sore just from reading this.
it should be... thanks for coming over last night...


Ross prolly keeps the Surgeon General from seeing dTb..........

 

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Given Gina's views, I have no idea if she's for this guy or against him or what.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these statements not irrefutable from a strictly medical standpoint?

As far as I know, and I'm no doctor, that part is correct, but the criticism isn't based on that one quote.

If he was actually making the "it's not natural" argument, yeah, I'd say it's refutable in that humans have been doing it since time immemorial. "Natural" isn't a scientific word, it's a judgment. [Some people say gay sex isn't natural but ignore the fact that dozens of species, including some of humanity's closest relatives, aren't as uptight about that stuff as we are.]


With my back to the wall before the posse comes, I think the Dr. is right. There are 3 reasons I am against homosexuality.

1) God says it is an abomination, it is abhorrent to him, he warns against practicing that. This decree was given to the original Semite people, later on the Christians, and then the Muslims. The law has been the same for every religious group.

2) Medically as Dr. Holsinger points out anatomically, everyone's butt is designed for one thing only, waste elimination. The peristalsis that occurs along the digestive tract moves and propels waste out of the body. Logically why would anyone think it is okay to put something else in there when the body is trying to push other things out? Men want the sensation (which is actually sin-sation), but ignore the purpose of their sperm is for procreation (creating children), it was not designed for their own pleasure.

3) With regards to everyone having freedom of choice; yes we were created with free will. Those who choose their own deviant ways will reap the rewards of those ways when Judgement Day comes. They will not be in the kingdom that is to come, any more than the people of Sodom and Gomorroah who practiced these things. He will simply destroy them.

4) With regards to the women (mentioned in later threads), they ought to realize a man can give them the same thing physically that their girlfriends do, so why do they settle? They have mental and emotional problems with intercourse. They need therapists. Many women are not satisfied with just intercourse, once they have been defiled with oral sex, they are not likely to want that to stop. I don't want to get into this here, but I have learned that Arabs have different positions than the Western Missionary style, which are said to create not only much more intimacy, but a higher level of satisfaction also. Perhaps that is the answer.

[Edited on 6/9/2007 by gina]

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 07:20 PM
I'm certain anyone who knows much about hetrosexual practices know that men tend to want to put certain things into women in places not intended for that purpose. I don't really understand the difference between a man with a man or a man with a woman doing the same thing other than for some reason it seems to be an acceptable practice if one of the couple is a woman.

 

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You wouldn't put french fries up there would you?


Fries?

If they're good, any orifice will do.

 

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I don't suppose that it is anymore idiotic then blowing up yourself and a bunch of innocent people in order to be gifted 72 virgins. Actually I have been wondering about what happens when you get them, so here are 72 valid questions.

1) What if the bomber wants girls with more experience?
2) What if one virgin is no good in bed? Does she get replaced or is he stuck with 71?
3) If he's gay, does he get male virgins?
4) What if he's celibate? What does he get?
5) What if he hasn't reached puberty yet? Does he get 72 Xboxes till he comes of age?
6) If he's bi, does he get 36 of each?
7) If he blows himself up while building the bomb, does he still get credit?
8) What do you call a relationship with 72 women, a menage-a-soixante-deux?
9) Are they like 72 wives or 1 wife and 71 concubines?
10) What if he's ugly or smells bad and the virgins don't want anything to do with him?
11) Is there viagra in paradise? Ya know, just in case?
12) Is there an age of consent?
13) When they're deflowered, do they get replaced by new virgins or are they "born again"?
14) Do they become his common-law wives eventually?
15) If he has a tryst with a 73rd virgin, do the others consider it cheating?
16) Do the virgins have a union? If so, can they strike if they're not satisfied?
17) Is there a temp agency that replaces virgins if they call in sick?
18) What if the bomber's into animals? Does he get accommodated?
19) Why 72? Is 71 too few? Is 73 too many?
20) If it was a female bomber, how do the male virgins prove their virginity?
21) What happens when paradise runs out of virgins?
22) Can a bomber make reservations on specific virgins before he blows himself up?
23) If there are no virgins available, is he put on a waiting list?
24) If he's a catholic priest, does he get 72 little boys?
25) Would you call a female bomber a bombshell?
26) Would you call a child bomber a bombino?
27) Is it not 73 out of respect for Barry Bond's home run record?
28) If the bomber previously dated one of the virgins, does it get awkward?
29) Do they have a bomb squad in paradise just in case one of the charges didn't go off?
30) Did they start using female bombers because they ran out of virgins for the guys?
31) If she's a lesbian, do they "convert" the virgins, or will straight girls suffice her?
32) Does a hermaphrodite bomber get hermaphrodite virgins?
33) If so, are there 72 available?
34) If they run out of virgins, do they get inflatable dolls till they find more?
35) If a bomber finds an infidel in paradise, can he blow him up and get 72 more virgins?
36) Could the Koran have had a typo and it actually provided just one 72 year old virgin?
37) Is Muslim hell being one of the 72 virgins?
38) Instead of 72 guys, would a female bomber settle for 1 man who does dishes and garbage?
39) Do the bombers go broke on Valentine's Day?
40) If he's monogamous, does he pick one of the 72 or does he get a supermodel?
41) What if he doesn't like either gender? Does he just klutz around in paradise?
42) Eternity is long, and eventually he'll grow bored of his 72 women. What happens then?
43) How does he pick the 72 to begin with? Lottery? Beauty pageant? Police lineup?
44) Is he allowed to covet his neighbor's virgins?
45) Do the virgins have agents and/or contracts?
46) If so, can a virgin request to be traded or put on waivers if she's unhappy?
47) What should he say if one of the virgins asks "Does this Burka make me look fat?"
48) If he gives the wrong answer, is he uh, screwed?
49) How is anyone expected to handle a catfight amongst 72 women?
50) Did the 9/11 hijackers who didn't know they were going to die get 72 virgins too?
51) Are scouts employed to find virgin talent?
52) Do the virgins ever retire, or do they remain virgins forever?
53) If they retire, what kind of pension plan do they get?
54) Wouldn't it be interesting if they're virgins because they're ugly?
55) So is it 72 Muslim girls or like 1 virgin from every culture?
56) Wouldn't it be sweet if Lorena Bobbit got hired as one of the virgins?
57) What does Gloria Steinem have to say about all this?
58) When he gets home, does he have to say "How was your day?" to all 72 virgins?
59) Do they have counseling for sexual addiction in paradise?
60) If the virgins start hogging the remote, is he in hell?
61) They must take up an entire theater when they go to the movies, huh?
62) Are there restaurants in paradise that can accommodate a reservation for 73?
63) If a virgin suffers from multiple personalities, is she considered two virgins?
64) Does he get all the virgins at once, or do they have an installment plan?
65) Is the bomber entitled to subsitutes, exchanges, or refunds?
66) What if all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put the bomber together again?
67) Is "not tonight, dear, I have a headache" a valid excuse in paradise?
68) Do the virgins come with a warranty?
69) If so, does paradise replace defective parts and provide on-site service?
70) What do you call a lifetime warranty if you're dead?
71) Do siamese twin bombers get 144 virgins?
72) Who gets to clean up all those nasty sheets

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 08:10 PM
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"(a)natomically the vagina is designed to receive the penis" while the anus and rectum - which "contain no natural lubricating function" - are not. "The rectum is incapable of mechanical protection against abrasion and severe damage ...can result if objects that are large, sharp, or pointed are inserted into the rectum,"

Holsinger presented the medical and scientific argument that anal intercourse was not natural. "It is absolutely clear that anatomically and physiological the alimentary and reproductive systems in humans are separate organ systems; i.e., the human does not have a cloaca," he said, referring to the posterior orifice that serves as the one opening for genital, urinary and intestinal tracts in amphibians, birds, and reptiles."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are these statements not irrefutable from a strictly medical standpoint? .... sounds like someone trying to drum up opposition to me.

Once again, trying to paint people into labels.




You do realize that this idiot actually believes that gays can be "cured", right"? Furthermore, why do you care what two consenting adults do in the bedroom?


Well, I didn't see that he said that homosexuals could be 'cured'. I wouldn't call him an idiot if he believed it ether.

And furthermore, I don't care whom you wish to 'swordfight' with Squatch. Have at it.

 

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I don't suppose that it is anymore idiotic then blowing up yourself and a bunch of innocent people in order to be gifted 72 virgins. Actually I have been wondering about what happens when you get them, so here are 72 valid questions.

1) What if the bomber wants girls with more experience?
2) What if one virgin is no good in bed? Does she get replaced or is he stuck with 71?
3) If he's gay, does he get male virgins?
4) What if he's celibate? What does he get?
5) What if he hasn't reached puberty yet? Does he get 72 Xboxes till he comes of age?
6) If he's bi, does he get 36 of each?
7) If he blows himself up while building the bomb, does he still get credit?
8) What do you call a relationship with 72 women, a menage-a-soixante-deux?
9) Are they like 72 wives or 1 wife and 71 concubines?
10) What if he's ugly or smells bad and the virgins don't want anything to do with him?
11) Is there viagra in paradise? Ya know, just in case?
12) Is there an age of consent?
13) When they're deflowered, do they get replaced by new virgins or are they "born again"?
14) Do they become his common-law wives eventually?
15) If he has a tryst with a 73rd virgin, do the others consider it cheating?
16) Do the virgins have a union? If so, can they strike if they're not satisfied?
17) Is there a temp agency that replaces virgins if they call in sick?
18) What if the bomber's into animals? Does he get accommodated?
19) Why 72? Is 71 too few? Is 73 too many?
20) If it was a female bomber, how do the male virgins prove their virginity?
21) What happens when paradise runs out of virgins?
22) Can a bomber make reservations on specific virgins before he blows himself up?
23) If there are no virgins available, is he put on a waiting list?
24) If he's a catholic priest, does he get 72 little boys?
25) Would you call a female bomber a bombshell?
26) Would you call a child bomber a bombino?
27) Is it not 73 out of respect for Barry Bond's home run record?
28) If the bomber previously dated one of the virgins, does it get awkward?
29) Do they have a bomb squad in paradise just in case one of the charges didn't go off?
30) Did they start using female bombers because they ran out of virgins for the guys?
31) If she's a lesbian, do they "convert" the virgins, or will straight girls suffice her?
32) Does a hermaphrodite bomber get hermaphrodite virgins?
33) If so, are there 72 available?
34) If they run out of virgins, do they get inflatable dolls till they find more?
35) If a bomber finds an infidel in paradise, can he blow him up and get 72 more virgins?
36) Could the Koran have had a typo and it actually provided just one 72 year old virgin?
37) Is Muslim hell being one of the 72 virgins?
38) Instead of 72 guys, would a female bomber settle for 1 man who does dishes and garbage?
39) Do the bombers go broke on Valentine's Day?
40) If he's monogamous, does he pick one of the 72 or does he get a supermodel?
41) What if he doesn't like either gender? Does he just klutz around in paradise?
42) Eternity is long, and eventually he'll grow bored of his 72 women. What happens then?
43) How does he pick the 72 to begin with? Lottery? Beauty pageant? Police lineup?
44) Is he allowed to covet his neighbor's virgins?
45) Do the virgins have agents and/or contracts?
46) If so, can a virgin request to be traded or put on waivers if she's unhappy?
47) What should he say if one of the virgins asks "Does this Burka make me look fat?"
48) If he gives the wrong answer, is he uh, screwed?
49) How is anyone expected to handle a catfight amongst 72 women?
50) Did the 9/11 hijackers who didn't know they were going to die get 72 virgins too?
51) Are scouts employed to find virgin talent?
52) Do the virgins ever retire, or do they remain virgins forever?
53) If they retire, what kind of pension plan do they get?
54) Wouldn't it be interesting if they're virgins because they're ugly?
55) So is it 72 Muslim girls or like 1 virgin from every culture?
56) Wouldn't it be sweet if Lorena Bobbit got hired as one of the virgins?
57) What does Gloria Steinem have to say about all this?
58) When he gets home, does he have to say "How was your day?" to all 72 virgins?
59) Do they have counseling for sexual addiction in paradise?
60) If the virgins start hogging the remote, is he in hell?
61) They must take up an entire theater when they go to the movies, huh?
62) Are there restaurants in paradise that can accommodate a reservation for 73?
63) If a virgin suffers from multiple personalities, is she considered two virgins?
64) Does he get all the virgins at once, or do they have an installment plan?
65) Is the bomber entitled to subsitutes, exchanges, or refunds?
66) What if all the king's horses and all the king's men can't put the bomber together again?
67) Is "not tonight, dear, I have a headache" a valid excuse in paradise?
68) Do the virgins come with a warranty?
69) If so, does paradise replace defective parts and provide on-site service?
70) What do you call a lifetime warranty if you're dead?
71) Do siamese twin bombers get 144 virgins?
72) Who gets to clean up all those nasty sheets


 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 08:27 PM
What in the world would anyone want with 72 virgins? One would wear me out.

 

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Well, I didn't see that he said that homosexuals could be 'cured'. I wouldn't call him an idiot if he believed it ether.

And furthermore, I don't care whom you wish to 'swordfight' with Squatch. Have at it.


Well, holding unscientific beliefs in favor of religion and being the Surgeon General kind of creates a conflict. As for me, Im not gay (not that theres anything wrong with that), but I support everyones right to have consentual sexual relations with whomever they choose as long as its legal. Ive never understood the Republican fascination with trying to legislate morality.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 08:44 PM
I guess I should also say that I agree with the Dr. that some of the practices of the homosexual community are inherently dangerous to those that practice them. However, as Ann pointed out, its not just homosexuals that perform these acts in places unintened for those purposes. I think its simply some of the religious BS that this guy has thats driving him to point all this out in the way that he is (coupled with his view that gays can be "cured"). We need a real doctor with more of a science background and less of a religious one when it comes to health advice to be Surgeon General.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 08:50 PM
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Well, I didn't see that he said that homosexuals could be 'cured'. I wouldn't call him an idiot if he believed it ether.

And furthermore, I don't care whom you wish to 'swordfight' with Squatch. Have at it.


Well, holding unscientific beliefs in favor of religion and being the Surgeon General kind of creates a conflict. As for me, Im not gay (not that theres anything wrong with that), but I support everyones right to have consentual sexual relations with whomever they choose as long as its legal. Ive never understood the Republican fascination with trying to legislate morality.


I didn't see where he spoke 'unscientifically' in any of his quotes. The article tries to tie him to some sort of religious mania over homosexuality. He presented a paper & the UM Church considered. Nowhere in the article did he say 'Gay = Bad Doggie'. It's a smear piece.

I too support consensual ADULT relationships, whatever they may be. The last thing I want is someone from the government peaking through my bedroom window. I hope to have naked pool sex with a consenting adult tonight...(If I'm lucky ) And it's not a 'Republican fascination', it's more of a religious morality police type of thing. Those people tend to sway Republican, as they are the more 'conservative' party. Just as the Celebrity Crowd', such as Paris Hilton, tend to sway Democrat, as they are the more 'liberal' party.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2007 at 11:13 PM
Holsinger is probably a closeted homosexual.
 
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