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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:00 PM
from the new rolling Stone mag.

" I imagine we will play and then they will play. But by the time the tour gets in full swing, there will doubtlessly be some cross polination"

Not that I ever doubted it but it sounds like Bob is saying they are opening. Some sit ins will be pretty cool too. Not for everyone here I know but I am psyched for this

 
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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:03 PM
This should result atleast into some rare tunes maybe Franklins Tower back in the mix and who knows what else.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:05 PM
yeah I am hoping they do something like that. I was thinking The Other One as well with bob sitting in. they already do the instrumental version.
 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:31 PM
Other than the smelly kids, Bob will bring IT. Ratdog is as good or better musically as Warren is presently, and a band is only as strong as its weakest link.

All I have to go by is the recordings, may get a different feeling in person, but I don't feel that Warren is giving his all... But that might be cause he was asked not to,... the Mule is kickin' though.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:37 PM
I was against this in the beginning( Hi Dave ) but am warming up to this thing.

I am dreading the Wookies though.

Are we gonna have a Wookie Wharfstock?

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:40 PM
Rat Dog is OK by me - more time to hang with friends in the Parking Lot before the ABB comes on.............

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:47 PM
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Rat Dog is OK by me - more time to hang with friends in the Parking Lot before the ABB comes on.............


I don't think you'd be disappointed in ratdog, but you probally will have a grand time in the lot though. The "wookies" bring a certain "element" to any enviornment, but I'll take my chances on Bob.

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:49 PM
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I was against this in the beginning( Hi Dave ) but am warming up to this thing.

I am dreading the Wookies though.

Are we gonna have a Wookie Wharfstock?


Yeah Chuck! By August I will have you chompin at the bit.LOL!

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:51 PM
I better start growing my dreads

And stop showering around early July

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 08:59 PM
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Other than the smelly kids, Bob will bring IT. Ratdog is as good or better musically as Warren is presently, and a band is only as strong as its weakest link.

All I have to go by is the recordings, may get a different feeling in person, but I don't feel that Warren is giving his all... But that might be cause he was asked not to,... the Mule is kickin' though.


I can't even begin to understand what on earth this means.

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 09:01 PM
I think he means that Warren is "holding back" and letting Derek soar into the upper stratosphere on a nightly basis

Fine by me

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 09:02 PM
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I better start growing my dreads

And stop showering around early July


I am rethinking my plans.


Join me in my quest for Wookie-dom

 

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Other than the smelly kids, Bob will bring IT. Ratdog is as good or better musically as Warren is presently, and a band is only as strong as its weakest link.

All I have to go by is the recordings, may get a different feeling in person, but I don't feel that Warren is giving his all... But that might be cause he was asked not to,... the Mule is kickin' though.


I can't even begin to understand what on earth this means.

Doug


I believe that Yurtle is saying that the ABB is asking Warren to hold back a little. I guess so that Derek looks better. I'm not sure I would agree with that.



Looks like Wharfy and Otie speak yurtle-ese


I'm not saying it was an effort to make Derek look better(he's a natural I knew that 1st time I saw him 13 years ago), as much as, it was an effort to make it about the Brothers, and not warrens other band. I personally want to see everyone give there all +100%. The nights when everyone is on are great, the nights when warren seems pissed are just off.

Derek kept Eric Clapton on his toes, he don't need anybody to hold back for him

 

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  posted on 5/31/2007 at 10:04 PM
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I think he means that Warren is "holding back" and letting Derek soar into the upper stratosphere on a nightly basis

Fine by me


And "they" want him to? That's absolutely ridiculous. Warren goes toe to toe with Derek every night and brings his screaming intensity and game face to every show he plays in. Perhaps the exception was the weekend he was puking offstage due to a terrible stomach virus.

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Other than the smelly kids, Bob will bring IT. Ratdog is as good or better musically as Warren is presently, and a band is only as strong as its weakest link.

All I have to go by is the recordings, may get a different feeling in person, but I don't feel that Warren is giving his all... But that might be cause he was asked not to,... the Mule is kickin' though.


I can't even begin to understand what on earth this means.

Doug


I believe that Yurtle is saying that the ABB is asking Warren to hold back a little. I guess so that Derek looks better. I'm not sure I would agree with that.



Looks like Wharfy and Otie speak yurtle-ese


I'm not saying it was an effort to make Derek look better(he's a natural I knew that 1st time I saw him 13 years ago), as much as, it was an effort to make it about the Brothers, and not warrens other band. I personally want to see everyone give there all +100%. The nights when everyone is on are great, the nights when warren seems pissed are just off.

Derek kept Eric Clapton on his toes, he don't need anybody to hold back for him


Warren is a master at playing in the style of the band he is with. When heplays with Mule he sounds like Warren with the Mule (lot's of distortion and crunch) When he plays with the Dead or Phil, he sounds like the Grateful Dead, when he plays with the Allmans his playing style fits with them. It's not that he's holding back. He plays a different style.

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  posted on 6/1/2007 at 12:00 AM
I am dreading the Wookies though.
Are we gonna have a Wookie Wharfstock?


LOL!! WOOKSTOCK '07...Sign me up, especially if Wook#17 will be there (I hear he lives in NJ)


 

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  posted on 6/1/2007 at 12:42 AM
The SHow at Nazi Pavilion is definitley advertised as an ABB headliner.

 

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And "they" want him to? That's absolutely ridiculous. Warren goes toe to toe with Derek every night and brings his screaming intensity and game face to every show he plays in. Perhaps the exception was the weekend he was puking offstage due to a terrible stomach virus.

Doug


I'm going to have to agree with that on Warren's intensity. I certainly have never felt he has intentionally held back or that the band has discouraged him letting loose.

As for the shows they should be pretty cool. Despite not being the real deal it kind of reminds me of shows from the 70's that I never got to see. Two awesome bands going on the road together to put on some real awesome shows and have a good time. Ratdog has been playing well and the Allman Brothers most certainly have, so I'm really looking foward to it. I'm glad to see Weir is too...sounds like they'll have some fun.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2007 at 01:09 AM
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Warren is a master at playing in the style of the band he is with. When heplays with Mule he sounds like Warren with the Mule (lot's of distortion and crunch) When he plays with the Dead or Phil, he sounds like the Grateful Dead, when he plays with the Allmans his playing style fits with them. It's not that he's holding back. He plays a different style.

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I could not disagree more. I have been to, own or have heard just bout every show Warren has done with former members of the Grateful Dead and I must say that it always sounds like Warrens band covering Dead tunes. That's not what it's about for me. Warren is the furthest thing from Dead, IMO.

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  posted on 6/1/2007 at 08:28 AM
Chuck is going to have to add veggie burritos to the fare...

 

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  posted on 6/1/2007 at 08:49 AM
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Other than the smelly kids, Bob will bring IT. Ratdog is as good or better musically as Warren is presently, and a band is only as strong as its weakest link.




I disagree that Warren is the "weak link" in the ABB or that he unnecessarily "hold backs". What people need to remember that is Warren is the "on stage band leader" of the ABB, and as such, he has to consider what the whole band is playing, and how it's sounding and some time that means it's better for him to "hold back" in his playing. Of course, when it's time to "bring it on", Warren does that to. That's one thing I've always liked about Warren and his playing, is the fact he never let's "ego" get in the way of the music. Indeed Warren consistently demonstrates the best of being both a "team player and a leader". Musicians like that are damn hard to find, and certainly appreciated when they are found. And that's a lot of reasons why that Warren is held in such high regards by other musicians.

As for Bob's "smelly kids". Hopefully someone will "rig up" some showers at some of these shows Been around some of these kids and they can get a little "RIPE".

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Warren is a master at playing in the style of the band he is with. When heplays with Mule he sounds like Warren with the Mule (lot's of distortion and crunch) When he plays with the Dead or Phil, he sounds like the Grateful Dead, when he plays with the Allmans his playing style fits with them. It's not that he's holding back. He plays a different style.

Doug


I could not disagree more. I have been to, own or have heard just bout every show Warren has done with former members of the Grateful Dead and I must say that it always sounds like Warrens band covering Dead tunes. That's not what it's about for me. Warren is the furthest thing from Dead, IMO.

[Edited on 6/1/2007 by otherhandmer]


I certainly don't mean to imply he mimics Jerry. Just that he adjusts his style for the bands he is with. Yes he has a certain tone or style that's always present and always makes him sound like Warren. All guitarists at his level do, including Derek, Jimmy Herring and all the others as well. But Warren with the Mule sure does not sound like Warren with Phil Lesh or Warren with the ABB. Of course his voice is so distinctive that any song he sings always has that Warren stamp.

As for the notion that Bob Weir and ratdog is somehow superior in any way to Warren Haynes, that seems so outlandish to me as to defy comment.

I for one love Derek Trucks and love what he has done for the ABB. But there seems to be this need to diminish what Warren does to build Derek up or something. I was just at 6 ABB shows at the Beacon. At perhaps one of them did I feel Derek was the dominant figure on stage. At most of them I left with the feeling that each shone equally. At a couple I felt Warren really dominated. These are two equal players. Perhaps Derek's style is slightly more unique but Warren is a dammed imaginative soloist. The ABB is really lucky to have him as are we all! That's just my opinion.

 

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  posted on 6/1/2007 at 09:26 AM
I have no idea where this thred is even going.....you guys are killing me with some of this nonsense I've read here...Geeeeez.

Dreads ands wookies? Warren holding back? Derek holding back? Derek with Clapton? Warren and The Mule looking pissed? ...what is the relevance of any of this? Switch to decaf please!

Bring on The ABB & Bobby and The Dog!...a GREAT double bill! Stay in lot all you want, I will be groovin to Bobby and the boys with Dave and a bunch of others whether they have dreads or not...and then it's The Brother's with Derek and Warren BOTH soaring, never ever holding back...not even for a second. No trainwrecks here my friends on this double-bill. Nothing but good crisp music, no drama, no bad notes... good music and good times always..."Wharfstock '07 - Not for the faint of heart" Bring your dancing shoes! LOL!

 

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I have no idea where this thred is even going.....you guys are killing me with some of this nonsense I've read here...Geeeeez.

Dreads ands wookies? Warren holding back? Derek holding back? Derek with Clapton? Warren and The Mule looking pissed? ...what is the relevance of any of this? Switch to decaf please!

Bring on The ABB & Bobby and The Dog!...a GREAT double bill! Stay in lot all you want, I will be groovin to Bobby and the boys with Dave and a bunch of others whether they have dreads or not...and then it's The Brother's with Derek and Warren BOTH soaring, never ever holding back...not even for a second. No trainwrecks here my friends on this double-bill. Nothing but good crisp music, no drama, no bad notes... good music and good times always..."Wharfstock '07 - Not for the faint of heart" Bring your dancing shoes! LOL!



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  posted on 6/1/2007 at 09:36 AM
ditto what Eddie said! Wish I was going to a ABB/Ratdog double-bill!

 

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