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Author: Subject: Help me settle a dispute.Lennon/McCartney

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 09:46 PM
Me and a coworker have been going at it recently.He says the Beatles would have been as successful without Paul McCartney i say no.Paul and John were magical songwriters together!He swears Lennon would have wrote the songs without McCartney come on it's a no brainer almost all the songs say Lennon/McCartney.I think the real reason he says this is because he is a bigger Lennon fan.That's cool but don't bash McCartney he is extremly important.Paul rocks!And of course Lennon RIP So who wins the dispute?I will hear what you guys have to say.He says if i get more folks seeing it my way he buys me lunch for a month and vise versa

[Edited on 5/30/2007 by WarrenMcCae]

[Edited on 5/30/2007 by WarrenMcCae]

 
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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 09:52 PM
Ringo actually wrote all of their material.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:05 PM
Dude, they wouldn't have been nothing without Billy Preston!!!!!!

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:06 PM
I suppose it might help the discussison if you looked at their solo careers to see how each fared on his own, who wrote what and how many hits each had individually after the break up.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:07 PM
George rules !

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:09 PM
Yoko was better than john or paul.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:10 PM
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Yoko was better than john or paul.


Oh no, you didn't just say that did you!?

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:23 PM
I agree with 100% with Warren here.

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:26 PM
Free lunches are the best they seem to taste better when someone else pays
 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:32 PM
I vote for your right to a free lunch. Tell your buddy to read a good Beatles book, or just to listen to "Abbey Road" - that is largely Paul's baby. I love Lennon, and much solo Macca is awful, but he was obviously essential to The Who, or the Stones, or whatever band we are talking about here.
 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:34 PM
I liked Wings
 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:43 PM
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George rules !


I second that.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 10:50 PM
Which one you personally like more is certainly objective, but I don't really believe either of them could of written those songs without each other. I don't know a whole lot about the chemistry of the band, but to me it just seems as though the music of the beatles is the work of both of them, and is distinctly different from each of their solo careers.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 11:15 PM
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Me and a coworker have been going at it recently.He says the Beatles would have been as successful without Paul McCartney i say no.Paul and John were magical songwriters together!He swears Lennon would have wrote the songs without McCartney come on it's a no brainer almost all the songs say Lennon/McCartney.I think the real reason he says this is because he is a bigger Lennon fan.That's cool but don't bash McCartney he is extremly important.Paul rocks!And of course Lennon RIP So who wins the dispute?I will hear what you guys have to say.He says if i get more folks seeing it my way he buys me lunch for a month and vise versa

[Edited on 5/30/2007 by WarrenMcCae]

[Edited on 5/30/2007 by WarrenMcCae]


The guy sounds like a class A fool.

 

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  posted on 5/29/2007 at 11:18 PM
the fact that they fell apart when paul died and was replaced with an imposter should tell you all you need to know. or didn't you pay attention to the clues?

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 03:56 AM
HUGE John fan here, but I dont think they would have been as great as they were without Paul. They were the perfect team. They could not have been more different as people or as musicains, but somehow they made it work. And thank God they did

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 04:08 AM
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Yoko was better than john or paul.




eFf yOkO

 

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 05:15 AM
Back to the topic of Lennon/McCartney: The truth is in the early years, most of the material around the Hard Day's Night era seemed to be Lennon material. In interviews such as the Playboy 1980 interview, Lennon claimed that he took care of most of the songwriting due to the pressure of Beatlemania. He apparently assisted in most of the McCartney tunes of the era such as "And I Love Her" or "Can't Buy Me Love." Even the very early Beatles tunes such as "Love Me Do" or "I Saw Her Standing There" Lennon claimed some kind of assist in the songwriting, although he eventually admitted they were 'mostly' McCartney compositions.

This trend only seemed to change during the Rubber Soul period where more McCartney compositions appeared. However, Lennon continued to claim co-authorship to a lot of them such as "Michelle" "Eleanor Rigby" "Paperback Writer" and "We Can Work It Out."

Whereas Lennon consistently spoke about his lyrical contributions, McCartney has said little or nothing over the years. No real denials or admissions of authorship. Therefore, it's hard to really tell what tracks were written by whom. However, it still can't be denied that from 1962-1966, most of the original songs apparently came from Lennon.

[Edited on 5/30/2007 by BarrySmith]

 

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 05:19 AM
One other thought, if Lennon and McCartney allowed Harrison to write just as many compositions for all the albums, I think George might have been the most important songwriter. Although the extremely early Harrison tunes were nonexistent, he did show some real quality sonwriting a few years later.

Nowadays, I find that A LOT of artists cover Harrison material. Tunes like TAXMAN, SOMETHING, WHILE MY GUITAR GENTLY WEEPS, IT'S ALL TOO MUCH, I WANT TO TELL YOU have been covered consistently. Seemed like Vince Wellnick and the Grateful Dead were Harrison fans.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 06:11 AM
George Rules!

 

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 06:12 AM
georgie will always be the one I go to when I need a pick me up. Although, paul has been my fav for many years. They all had productive spurts throughout their solo careers, but all were so different in style.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 06:55 AM
...imo,you needed them all & certainly
Paul/John together to get those masterful creations---just a quick comment on their "hits" after the breakup---not sure i'd measure success by the hits--as Dylan said---just because it's popular doesn't make it good---after all,to use Derek as an example i'm not sure he's popular & i know he has no hits.....but i still think he's one of the greatest guitarists ever to play!!!.....just my wacky view of things....

 

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 07:02 AM
GIGANTUOUS McCartney fan here, but don't forget the importance of Brian Epstein. He was sort of the Beatle's Phil Walden. He put his reputation and money on the line for them early on. With his input, Gerry and the Pacemakers, the Dave Clark 5 or any other Mersey beat band might've enjoyed the same success as the Fab Four.

My own opinion: the Beatles were a four-headed entity. The chemistry of the four personalities and their musical abilities (combined with the help of Epstein, George Martin and yes, Billy Preston later on) made them what they were and are.

 

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 08:13 AM
George Martin

Without him the whole career would have been different. These guys went from three chord be-bop to songs with orchestras and horn sections? The music was simply too complex for any of them to write themselves. Vocal harmonies coming out of thin air. Not bashing the Beatles in any way. I love them but George Martin was truly the 5th Beatle. The complexity of creating these albums on a 4 track is mind boggling. To see Martin's influence, just check out the solo efforts immediately after the break up. IMO they were the best they ever did on their own but don't even come close to Beatles standards

As to your question though, Lennon/McCartney was their way of keeping the money to themselves. Both were crucial and neither would have accomplished anything close without the other. I will add George and Ringo into the mix also. 4 individual characters which gave the group its mass appeal.

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  posted on 5/30/2007 at 08:27 AM
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I suppose it might help the discussison if you looked at their solo careers to see how each fared on his own, who wrote what and how many hits each had individually after the break up.


Forgetting hits, in terms of quality neither came close to matching the greatness of the partnership. And the whole was much greater than the sum of the parts. It's nice to discuss music with you Ann, not just politics

Doug

 

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