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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:03 AM
Well, I guess it finally has got to me...... I am far less excited about anything "Brother" (except the old Duane sacred stuff) than I have ever been. While I know seeing them in August wil be great, and a hell of a party and show, the thrill is waning. In recent years we have gotten new covers, and that is it. The real fire appears to be fading with them. This appears to be the end era, and one of complacency. While they rally for the shows, new creativity is next to nothing. As a barometer, I compare output of my other favorite, Neil Young. Critically acclaimed movie(s), albums, and he is overflowing with creative vitality, in spite of brain surgery. Neil can't go a year without an album. Some are better than others, but he has no qualms about shifting gears in style.. country, grunge, hard rock, acoustic, semi acoustic, etc, etc.

I was excited about Instant Lives, since I can't see them often, like some here. I really can't see a reason to buy any from last year, let alone this year. For what? Another Whipping Post? I have many great ones. I guess i could buy them hoping for a funny muffed vocal lyric....

It pisses me off, makes me sad, and mostly frustrates me. They are a half step from being a touring oldies act. They creative release for their only two members who care about new output, is strictly from Derek and Warren. And it isn't in ABB material, it is Mule and DTB, not ABB.

Even the Stones far exceed them in (new creative) inspiration.

Look at the Guest Book...... used to be fun.... only excitement is Beacon time, and over the summer highlights, but that is more for the things like Wharfstock and get togethers (Wannee) than the actual music. If I read one more glowing "that version of of (fill in same old song fav) took me to the mountain, was the moment of nirvana", etc... I will throw up. It is beyond pathetic that that is what excites people. And the excitement over them doing a cover is puzzling. Isn't that what hundreds of bar bands do all the time... Covers?

And the pairing with Rattdog...... The crowds will SUCK. I dread that...... Burn out city..... for what reason? MONEY baby.......

Is there a tie in with management? That is partly a reason. BAD management. Bert baby..... what a guiding force. But that is not it. It is fire from the soul, and it is dimming light.....

So somebody realign my thinking and tell me what I should be excited about...... better yet, ABB prove me wrong....

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:18 AM
sorry you feel this way. with respect to new material and covers. the dead did it without new materail(and their new stuff was not that good), and still would be doing it, with a massive following for years. i hear your frustrations but i see it as a sort of "dead-like" era for the Brothers today. more of a touring band with quality side projects going on. and WOW, listening to the recent beacon shows they are hitting new heights, imo. actually i can't believe how great they sound today every time i receive a new bnp. i don't think a touring oldies act would do what they do on stage. they have fire, real fire. i wish the thrill wasn't gone for you and maybe a trip to a show this summer will bring it back. in closing i think bob wier's band is great and a nice selection as an opener. i'm not a big dead fan but phil and bob both have fantastic musicians in their respective bands and take some big time chances on stage.

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:23 AM
Flame away, but I'm with Tony.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:25 AM
I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way.

This may be the first year that I may not see them and other than the socializing at any pre-show gathering I'm not that disapointed. I think this lineup peaked at the Fox in 2004, all but one of the shows I've been to since have been pretty uneventful. My favorite shows from the last 2 years have been the 2 (Huntsville 2005 and Wanee Sat night 2006) when Jack Pearson replace Derek when he had other obligations.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:26 AM
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Bobo, I know you want to hear another rousing version of Instrumental Illness

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:29 AM
While there might be some valid points in some of these posts, for me, it's not always about the show as much as it's getting together with all the fine friends I have made and see at the shows. I dig the shows, but I also dig getting together AT the show.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:30 AM
In my opinion, this was the first year at the beacon since Warren returned that i didnt feel like this run was better than the one the year before. Not sure why, exactly....

but past that, the ABB still gives me a thrill to a certain extent, no matter how pathetic that seems to some.

This band owes us NOTHING. If they never recorded another note we would be left with a catalog far surpassing that of most bands, combined.

I'm GLAD Ratdog will be with them.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:31 AM
The man's entitled to his opinion, and while I disagree with most of it, I'm definitely in accordance with the concept that the pairing with RodentCanine leaves a lot to be desired.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:33 AM
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I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way.

This may be the first year that I may not see them and other than the socializing at any pre-show gathering I'm not that disapointed.


The pre-show gathering and seeing old friends, and meeting new ones, is the best part of ABB shows for me - unless I get a "Magic" Set List.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:36 AM
I won't specifically agree or disagree with you.

What I will say is, after seeing every show from the last four Beacon runs, I was a little disappointed in this years run.

Why? That's a little harder to answer than one might think. Obviously the musicianship is simply the best IMO.The band is still on the top of their games as a live act too. Still, I feel a staleness at times during the shows.

The answer?

NEW MUSIC......period!

My perception of the band a couple years ago was that it was moving forward creatively from Hittin' The Note to even better, hopefully more original music. I'm not giving up on that hope, but I am starting to wonder if that's ever going to happen.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:38 AM
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I won't specifically agree or disagree with you.

What I will say is, after seeing every show from the last four Beacon runs, I was a little disappointed in this years run.

Why? That's a little harder to answer than one might think. Obviously the musicianship is simply the best IMO.The band is still on the top of their games as a live act too. Still, I feel a staleness at times during the shows.

The answer?

NEW MUSIC......period!

My perception of the band a couple years ago was that it was moving forward creatively from Hittin' The Note to even better, hopefully more original music. I'm not giving up on that hope, but I am starting to wonder if that's ever going to happen.


 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:38 AM
Agree with some points Bird but disagree with the overall sentiment.

Two words are why I still get excited to see this band: Derek Trucks.

At the same time, DT is the reason why I hate to see this band not being more creative with new material. They have a once in a generation guitarist in the band and I'd hate to think they only record one new album with him.

On your Neil Young analogy: I too am a huge Neil Young fan, I can honestly say I dislike as much of his music as I actually like. What I do like, I love! But, I honestly am of the "no new album or music is better than a bad or mediocre music" and for me Neil needs to focus on quality control and less on quantity.

In 2003 we got a great new album in Hittin the Note followed by an excellent live HD DVD. I still get songs I've never seen them play at virtually every show I go to, but it is time to get on with something new. But I've never been a huge see them 4-5 times per year guy. I actually will see them 5 times this year, but that will be a first me. Most years I am 1-3 times per year.

But I do have to differ on the management piece. I honestly think the band is managed well. I see these comments and I guess I get puzzled by them. A manager can't make a band write & record music. They do a fine job with the operation under the circumstances.

And before someone says "reunite with Dickey" you don't have to look at his setlists to see that he isn't covering any new ground these days.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:43 AM
Well Tony,

I'm like you in a lot of ways, as I really can't get all that enthusiastic about seeing the ABB this year, especially with Bob Weir & Ratdog. But truth be told the ABB knows it's "meal ticket" is attracting the "jamband community", rather than "old timers" such as you and I who would prefer a more "blues orientated" version of the ABB, that would be harking back to the sound and energy of the orginal band. Another problem I see with the ABB is that it has gotten to "comfortable" with itself. I believe this particular line-up of the ABB might be longest that the band as every has. Glad that everyone in the band likes each other and gets along, but I think over the last couple of years, some of the "edge" has worn off. Personally I think the band is going to call it quits probably after 2009's Beacon/Wanee run which will be the 40th Anniversary of the founding of the ABB. The ABB still a great band, but they've proven all they need to prove, and maybe it might be for bands dTb and Govt Mule to take the ABB "legacy" into the future. And I think that's what'a happening more and more.

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:44 AM
I think the analogy to the Dead is correct. They seldom perfomed new material but I kept going nonetheless for the nuances to the old material and to hear possibly a new cover once in a while. The same applies here. If you want new material, best to go to some Mule or DTB shows. Keep in mind that the ABB will cease to exist sooner than many of us would like. So enjoy what you get while you can.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:45 AM
I reluctanltly agree . I can't remember who said it , but not too long ago , someone posted " The ABB has become a side project to Mule , O.B. & The Peacemakers , and the DTB . " It doesn't make me angry at Haynes, Burbridge , or Trucks , who can blame them for pusuing their own interests ? I'm appreciative for what they've brought to the ABB over the years . Say what you want , but I loathe the onslaught of cover tunes at the shows I've attended over the past few years . Mix in a few somewhat unexpected surprises every once in a while ? Cool . Stuff like " The Sky Is Cryin' " ... time to head for the urinal and the beer line . There are so many great ABB tunes that could be dusted off and put back in the set lists . If I wanted to hear Zep tunes , I'd go to the nearest watering hole and hear a local band serve them up . Did Jaimoe even stay at his kit when they did " Dazed and Confused " ? I just can't picture it . Before you go on the attack because you were at that particular Beacon show , think it through , is that really what you paid your hard earned cash to hear ? Probably Not . I'm hoping that the Fox run rumor is true more than anyone , but people have already started speculating about sit-in guests i.e. Clapton . Stop it already !!! I want to see an inspired and geared up ABB doing ABB songs . Screw the guests , there's a good reason I like the ABB better than most other bands... it's musicians and it's music . Let the blood-letting begin .

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:48 AM
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The answer?

NEW MUSIC......period!


The proverbial nail has been hit on the head, IMO. One new album since 1994?? And even Hittin' The Note can't truly considered new. While the Band owes us absolutely nothing, I sure would love to see a new Album. I believe that current lineup is the best we've had since the original in terms of performance. That said, we got 3 new albums between 89 and 94 - I miss that.

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 09:55 AM
My only comment on the Dead comparison is they DID do new output until Jerry died. If you mean the new 'Dead", other than saying what a joke, no comment....

And this wasn't a "They owe me something" post. It was a "I don't owe them much support or my money" post

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:02 AM
I doubt you'll see a new CD by the ABB. First of all their record company, Sanctuary went out of business here in the United States, and I don't think any record company other than some small independents (which suffer from limited distributions) would be interested in signing the band. In any case, the ABB would want to own the rights to their music, and that would further complicate them signing with another label. And there's no way they would release a new CD on their own label as the cost involved would probably mean that band would lose money on the release. Beyond that, you would have the problem of getting everybody in the same place at the same time to do the recordings. Truth is, if there was going to be a new CD, then you would have heard 4 or 5 new songs during the Beacon run, which didn't happen. New CD with new material is IMHO "wishful thinking", that's probably won't happen.
 
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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:05 AM
I spent one of my more enjoyable show experiences (8/2/01) with you Tony, so I'm sorry to hear that the magic is gone for you.

I really haven't seen a stellar show since the last night of the Fox run in '04. There have been a couple in the meantime that have been downright disappointing. Columbus '05 and Raleigh '06 were failry flat performances. They didn't suck, and they had their moments, but basically they were much like the last several Dead shows I saw. Just sort of going through the motions.

Having said all of this, I still enjoy the shows. With all due respect to those that feel otherwise, the fan gatherings have always been secondary to me, a bonus to go along with the actual show. I can hang out with friends anytime, but I'm lucky if I can see the Allmans two or three times a year. For me, it is still all about the music.

And I think the music is pretty darn good. Covers? I mean, hasn't the band ALWAYS been known for playing covers and making them their own? The Fillmore East album has seven songs--four are covers.

After nearly 40 years, I think The Allman Brothers Band is about as exciting and vital as one can reasonably expect. Of course I want more from them, but that's life.

I do have a question, and please don't take this as a "if you don't like it, take your opinions elsewhere" kind of thing. But if the band doesn't blow your dress up anymore, then why hang out on their fan website? Are there other things you might be doing with your time that you're more passionate about? When I read responses to the original post saying, "Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way," I find myself wondering what exactly you're getting out of posting here. I'm not trying to be like one of the people over on Betts' site that fashion themselves as valiant defender of Dickey's honor. I'm all about honest dialogue. But like Linnie said, the Allmans owe us nothing, and they don't need me sticking up for them.

But like I said, when I see people like Bill and Tony not enjoying the Allmans experience anymore, I have to ask...why experience it at all? Life is short, after all.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:08 AM
Agreed, the band that called themselves the Dead was a joke. I was referring to the Grateful variety. Was there a new GD studio album after 87's Touch of Grey? Ok, there were a few songs, like Corrina, but I did not care much for it.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:08 AM
I burned out some time ago, only saw one show last year, 2 shows in '05. Previously, I've done 8-10 a year, including Beacons. It was essential for me personally to take a break.

I'd like to hear some new stuff, but I'd also like for them to bring some stuff back they've buried.

The last great, truly magical show I saw was 9/26/04.

Keep it kind and respectful, y'all. Folks are entitled to their feelings and opinions without being flamed.

This thread has potential to become a great discussion about the............music.



[Edited on 5/22/2007 by Libby]

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:10 AM
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My only comment on the Dead comparison is they DID do new output until Jerry died. If you mean the new 'Dead", other than saying what a joke, no comment....

And this wasn't a "They owe me something" post. It was a "I don't owe them much support or my money" post


actually i agree with you for the most part Tony, and sorta commend you for saying it......(i think a lot of us feel this way but wont say it).

I still go because of the people, and to support the band. i dont feel that they owe me, but because of the community they provided for me i will continue to support them as long as i can.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:10 AM
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This band owes us NOTHING. If they never recorded another note we would be left with a catalog far surpassing that of most bands, combined.





True......but that catalog would include only one semi-original studio release to date, along with a multitude of live shows recreating what once was original.

While the band indeed does owe us nothing, one might say they owe themselves a better testament to their legacy from this current line-up. If no further original music comes from this line-up, it would be a shame given the immense talent it posesses.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:12 AM
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This band owes us NOTHING. If they never recorded another note we would be left with a catalog far surpassing that of most bands, combined.





True......but that catalog would include only one semi-original studio release to date, along with a multitude of live shows recreating what once was original.

While the band indeed does owe us nothing, one might say they owe themselves a better testament to their legacy from this current line-up. If no further original music comes from this line-up, it would be a shame given the immense talent it posesses.



abso-efeen-lutely, good point



 

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  posted on 5/21/2007 at 10:15 AM
I can see where all this is coming from. Although I'm looking forward to the Bob Weir/ABB tour this summer.

I've argued before, I'd much rather see older material from the back catalog dusted off before a cover of something. However, I gotta admit, the 'In a Silent Way' is the way to go, cover wise. That hit the strong points of the band, IMHO.

Still waiting for a full fledged 'My Favorite Things' ala Coltrane before the '09 wind down.

 

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