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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 04:09 PM
I reposted this from the AG forum....

"The ABB (through their laison) have said that online trading
of electronic files is forbidden!

This comes as a shock to most, and makes me sad, as such trading
made the music available to newcomers without much to trade.
Such availability also HINDERS bootlegging. I have seen people
ruin an eBay auction for Govt Mule, writing the seller and
giving free copies to the potential buyers. This method works best
with a large online community which can come up with any given date.

Anyway, the band still sounds good as ever, just not online :-(
Person to person trades are still encouraged by the band! "

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 04:58 PM
Hi Pam, Sounds like NY was toooo much fun!

My thoughts are that although the download is convenient, we are really blessed to be able to record and trade these shows with the bands permission. By having permission we get better quality recordings. No hiding the mics & recording devices.

If this is what the Band wants We should all try to support them and encourage others to do the same. They are probaly concerned about a number of things and it really does not matter what those concerns are, it is their choice.

I agree newbies could benefit most from downloads but this is a generous community. This time last year I had less than 10 shows. I now have over 150. I collected them over the course of 9 months. I put alot of time in but there is no way I could have done that without the generosity of many many traders.

I have made a lot of friends through trading. You can't get that from a download. Fact is if the download thing really took off with the bands permission we would loose a lot of the personal contact that we all make as traders.

As far as expense of trading vs electronic....Who cares? It just doesn't cost much to get a collection going. You can get a lot of live, multiple disc, shows for the cost of one new CD at any music store. And to the general population you have a what seems to most a unique collection of somewhat unavailable music.

I understand the frustration of knowing the technology is avalable to get shows easily but we need to appeciate what IS acceptable to the band and be glad that we get to interact the way we do openly to make the recordings and trades.

It bothers me a little to see complaints about this subject. It would be cool if they let us do it BUT we have a great thing going as it is.

Just my thoughts

[Edited on 4/3/2003 by KCJimmy]

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 05:09 PM
I feel the same way as KCJimmy. Although it is convienient for some to to download files and trade electronically, if the ABB camp doesnt want to allow it, so be it.

Everyone here is generous enough to facilitate any newbie looking to create a collection in no time flat.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 05:50 PM
I agree with jimmy & linnie. It might take a little longer to get a show but you can get them. Although I have been coming to the web site since the days of the old Hittin the note site I had never come to the forum until This year. I've now got about 100 shows and have made many friends too. It would be great to download ( if I had broadband ) but like everything else there's the good and the bad side of it. It seems that on band sites that allow downloads it is harder to get someone to trade with you. But as has been said it's not that hard to get a show.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 05:54 PM
Leave it to our good friend KCJimmy to sum it up best! Right on Jimmy.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 07:03 PM
Go Jimmy Just received your package and working on adding a few more shows to your collection as we speak!!
 
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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 07:31 PM
Well said, KCJimmy! I couldn't agree more.
 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 08:12 PM
Right on KCJimmy!

Rowland made another great post about the reason for this on the Guest Book earlier.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 11:12 PM
Well thanks folks, since I said it so well and I can't download (that's not a complaint), anyody got 3/26/03 they want to share, trade or B&P. I've been groveling all day and it seems to work.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2003 at 11:13 AM
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By GARY GENTILE, AP Business Writer


LOS ANGELES -- The recording industry is expanding its fight against illegal Internet content swapping by suing four college students for allegedly offering more than 1 million copies of popular music.

In lawsuits filed Thursday in federal courts in New York, New Jersey and Michigan, the Recording Industry Association of America asked that the sites be shut down and that it be paid maximum damages of $150,000 per song.

The RIAA said the file-sharing systems were being run by students at Princeton University, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and Michigan Technological University. The schools were not named as defendants.

The RIAA said the offenses were akin to those committed by Napster, which was ordered shut down after the courts found it violated musical copyrights.

"These systems are just as illegal and operate in the same manner," RIAA President Cary Sherman said in a statement.

The action reflects a recent trend in which the entertainment industry has become more aggressive in pursuing copyright infringers.

Four entertainment industry groups sent a letter to 2,300 university presidents last year, urging a tough stand on copyright infringement, and in January a federal judge in Washington, D.C., ruled that Verizon Communications Inc. must identify an Internet subscriber suspected of illegally offering more than 600 songs from well known artists. The RIAA had sought the user's identity with a subpoena approved under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act.

In February, the RIAA joined with the Motion Picture Association of America in sending a six-page brochure to Fortune 1000 corporations that suggested corporate policies and offered a sample memo to employees warning against using company computers to download content from the Web.

The suits allege the students stored thousands of songs on a central server and made them available to students, staff, administrators and others with access to their schools' high-speed Internet networks. The songs could be downloaded using standard Web browsers.

The universities said they were investigating the claims. All the schools have policies prohibiting the use of their computer networks for copyright infringement.

Princeton spokeswoman Lauren Robinson-Brown said the school is unable to constantly monitor its network, but does take swift action when told of copyright infringement. The school removed the site within 24 hours of being notified, she said.

The legal action irritated Michigan Technological University President Curtis Tompkins, who said he wished the music industry had contacted the school, as he said it had done in the past when copyright infringements were discovered.

"Had you followed the previous methods established in notification of a violation, we would have shut off the student and not allowed the problem to grow to the size and scope that it is today," Tompkins wrote Thursday in a letter to the RIAA's Sherman.

The RIAA said the massive nature of the alleged offenses required a strong response.

"This is not an instance of an individual student simply offering up some sound recordings on a Web site," said Matthew Oppenheim, senior vice president of business and legal affairs for the RIAA.

In the Michigan case, Oppenheim said, the student ran a network offering more than 650,000 music files for downloading, in addition to 1,866 songs from his own personal collection.

"It would be our hope that universities are aware of what is happening on their networks," he said. "The onus shouldn't rest on any given copyright holder to provide a warning to an individual when something of this size and scope is happening."


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