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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 08:57 AM
Don Imus had to be removed form the public airwaves due to his one HURTFUL sentence.

Now we have this VT pyscho who killed & maimed dozens of people all over the news spewing hate & violence.Not to mention the fact that he is inspiring the remaining sickos out there.

WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE!!

[Edited on 4/19/2007 by halfskin]

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 09:02 AM
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Don Imus had to be removed form the public airwaves due to his one HURTFUL sentence.

Now we have this VT pyscho who killed & maimed dozens of people all over the news spewing hate & violence.Not to mention the fact that he is inspiring the remaining sickos out there.

WTF IS WRONG WITH PICTURE!!


Whether this guy is on TV or not, the act he has committed will "inspire" future sickos, just as Whitman, the North Hollywood shootout, Columbine etc. To even compare the two issues (Imus and VT) is completely pointless.

 

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Don Imus had to be removed form the public airwaves due to his one HURTFUL sentence.

Now we have this VT pyscho who killed & maimed dozens of people all over the news spewing hate & violence.Not to mention the fact that he is inspiring the remaining sickos out there.

WTF IS WRONG WITH PICTURE!!


Whether this guy is on TV or not, the act he has committed will "inspire" future sickos, just as Whitman, the North Hollywood shootout, Columbine etc. To even compare the two issues (Imus and VT) is completely pointless.


The point is that saturating the airwaves with these images & words with spur on even more copycats than the actual event itself. Call me naive but, nothing good can come from this being out for public consumption.

The reason it's out there is for sensationaiism & RATINGS not the publics right to know!

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 09:52 AM
I think NBC made a terrible botch with this tape and other articles that were mailed to them. They have given this kid exactly what he wanted. He wanted to be noticed and is now all over every news channel. Any other psycho out there that feels the need to be in the news and become a public figure, just got a "how to" model from our media. I understand that it is breaking news and maybe they should have run it once. But this is now overkill between the pics and the video. And its all about ratings, make no mistake about it.
 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 09:57 AM
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I think NBC made a terrible botch with this tape and other articles that were mailed to them. They have given this kid exactly what he wanted. He wanted to be noticed and is now all over every news channel. Any other psycho out there that feels the need to be in the news and become a public figure, just got a "how to" model from our media. I understand that it is breaking news and maybe they should have run it once. But this is now overkill between the pics and the video. And its all about ratings, make no mistake about it.



That's what it is " ratings " . Oliver Stone touched on this issue .

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 10:05 AM
I don't really agree with all this.
The fact is, there have been sickos out there for hundreds of years -- who did what they did just for that reason -- native mental instability, not media-related stuff -- Sacco & Vanzetti, from back in the 1920s -- Bruno Hauptman, the person who kidapped the Lindbergh child -- the people who murdered that farm family in Missouri, as depicted in the book In Cold Blood -- Richard Speck, the person who murdered eight Chicago nurses in the 1960s -- Albert DeSalvo, the "Boston Strangler" -- the deranged person who shot and killed people from the tower on the Texas college campus -- leading into the more modern times, such as Kip Kinkel, the boy in Oregon who murdered his parents, then went to his school and killed people there -- the two Columbine killers -- the people who drove the airplanes into the Twin Towers -- Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, James Earl Ray -- Charles Manson -- the Son of Sam, who committed the 1977 murders in summer 1977 in NYC -- John Hinckley -- Mark David Chapman -- Lizzie Borden, the turn of the century ax murderer from Fall River, Mass. -- Jack the Ripper -- good heavens the list goes on and on.

Some people are just sick, that's all. As long as the fraility of the human race is around, people who aren't all there upstairs to begin with, who get upset about things, become delusional and snap -- these horrble tragedies will happen.
Personally I'm glad to see the information put out there. The more that can be learned from stuff like this, the more that is objectively put out into the public domain -- the better.

[Edited on 4/19/2007 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 10:10 AM
It can't be predicted or prevented , thats how it is .
 

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I don't really agree with all this.
The fact is, there have been sickos out there for hundreds of years -- who did what they did just for that reason -- native mental instability, not media-related stuff -- Sacco & Vanzetti, from back in the 1920s -- Bruno Hauptman, the person who kidapped the Lindbergh child -- the people who murdered that farm family in Missouri, as depicted in the book In Cold Blood -- Richard Speck, the person who murdered eight Chicago nurses in the 1960s -- Albert DeSalvo, the "Boston Strangler" -- the deranged person who shot and killed people from the tower on the Texas college campus -- leading into the more modern times, such as Kip Kinkel, the boy in Oregon who murdered his parents, then went to his school and killed people there -- the two Columbine killers -- the people who drove the airplanes into the Twin Towers -- Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, James Earl Ray......................
Some people are just sick, that's all. As long as the fraility of the human race is around, people who aren't all there upstairs, who get upset about things and become delusional -- these horrble tragedies will happen.
Personally I'm glad to see the information put out there. The more that can be learned from stuff like this, the more that is objectively put out into the public domain -- the better.



did any of these mail their publicity photo's in?

whoever received this photo could have just thrown it in the trash.

there is nothing to be learned.

except, ordinary murders, you'll maybe get your photo on page 12, just maybe.

but go kill some kids at a school, you're darn tooting we'll run your photo, and strive to find out all about your pathetic life.

what went wrong. where did it go wrong.

The people at NBC who choose to put this on, when they didn't have to.

They're idiots, plain and simple.

[Edited on 4/19/2007 by Brucebcd]

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 10:15 AM
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They have given this kid exactly what he wanted.


Oh did they ever

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 10:16 AM
They are unrelated issues and using Virginia Tech as a political tool in an Imus debate is a weird parrallel and makes no sense..... and proves no point. I am very depressed in thinking of the kids and parents at V Tech, but it really has no effect on me thinking Imus should have been fired. Yes in relative proportion it is ridiculous to even bring them into the same discussion. Using dead children as a political hobby horse tool is wrong (I semi-quote Gov of Virginia).... and I agree..... dead children are not some self serving tool in any debate.....

 

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They are unrelated issues and using Virginia Tech as a political tool in an Imus debate is a weird parrallel and makes no sense..... and proves no point. I am very depressed in thinking of the kids and parents at V Tech, but it really has no effect on me thinking Imus should have been fired. Yes in relative proportion it is ridiculous to even bring them into the same discussion. Using dead children as a political hobby horse tool is wrong (I semi-quote Gov of Virginia).... and I agree..... dead children are not some self serving tool in any debate.....


They are unrelated, and Imus ain't a fart in a windstorm compared to this.
However the hypocriscy of these same media outlets who deem it appropriate to air this pollution to the world & THE VICTIMS FAMILIES boggles my mind!

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 11:12 AM
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They are unrelated issues and using Virginia Tech as a political tool in an Imus debate is a weird parrallel and makes no sense..... and proves no point. I am very depressed in thinking of the kids and parents at V Tech, but it really has no effect on me thinking Imus should have been fired. Yes in relative proportion it is ridiculous to even bring them into the same discussion. Using dead children as a political hobby horse tool is wrong (I semi-quote Gov of Virginia).... and I agree..... dead children are not some self serving tool in any debate.....


I agree Imus has no basis in this debate. I basically just stated how I felt regarding the media coverage.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 11:24 AM
Here's a pretty good column by Tom Dorsey of the Louisville Courier-Journal

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070419/COLUMNIS TS15/704190355


Coverage of Virginia Tech massacre falls into familiar pattern

Tom Dorsey



A big story like the massacre of students and faculty at Virginia Tech brings out the best and the blandest of TV news.

There has been a surreal, déjà vu feeling about the coverage of the past few days, as if we've seen it all before. Maybe that's because we have.

Since Monday, any viewer who wanted to could indulge in nearly nonstop coverage of the story on cable and be assured that the morning and evening broadcast network anchor teams would be live from the scene.

Basically, it's a cable news story that allows CNN, Fox and MSNBC to pull out all the stops and just let their people talk.

And talk is mostly what it's about, because there is little new to see. In fact, we see the same news clips over and over and over. Until NBC released the dramatic images of the gunman yesterday, we watched the same cops rushing down the sidewalk and the same students scurrying around the campus on endless video loops.



The anchors talk and talk and talk. In between they switch to reporters at the scene who talk and talk and talk. Most of the time they don't really have anything new to say. They just rehash what they or someone else has already said.

The danger is that when they are on live for hours at a time, it's easy to say something stupid, insensitive or just plain wrong. There are no copy editors to catch their mistakes. Still, most anchors and reporters manage to get through what is a tough job of ad-libbing through hours of off-the-cuff conversation.

When cable news channels commit to a story like this, they become addicted to keeping it on the screen all the time no matter what. It's a kind of trap that takes days and days to wean themselves from. It's as if the rest of the world stops or no longer exists. It's also like watching a jigsaw puzzle coming together piece by piece, hour by hour, without knowing what the picture looks like.

Of course, in some ways it makes life easier for these networks. They don't have to cover dozens of different stories. They can just fixate on one around the clock.

Every few hours there's a bit of breaking news that they all pounce on, devour and dissect until there's nothing left to say. Then they go back to the studio, where they talk some more about what they talked about before.

In between, producers are rushing around calling up the usual experts to comment on or speculate about something the experts have no first-hand knowledge of, but having a new face on the screen breaks up the monotony.

Inevitably in mass shooting stories like these, we get a national review of all the other shootings going back as far as the film archives will allow. Someone will try to find a common denominator among the shooters and the situations, but the comparisons usually disintegrate.

Politicians weigh in with condolences and statements about doing something to protect our schoolchildren. What can or should be done never seems clear.

Every shooting is fodder to bring up gun-control laws and look at what one state does and another doesn't. They don't even need to do this story again. They could just replay the one from the last time with a new lead-in. Some stories never change.

Along the way the rest of the world gets its 2 cents' worth in seeing another chance to point out what a backward country full of cowboys America is and proudly pointing to other nations' gun-control laws.

In the evening the pundits take over and deliver their learned opinions or grill experts on the causes behind the tragedy. Never mind that nobody really knows anything for sure. Speculation is a specialty of cable coverage.

Nobody has to watch all this, and most people don't. You can dip in and out of the coverage and see if anything is new, which is what most viewers do. But big stories bring big ratings. Cable news hasn't seen audiences this big since Hurricane Katrina.

It's not about ratings, though. The people reporting the stories are doing their best with a difficult topic, inching along day by day, grasping for the next journalistic foothold.

There is an unintended benefit to this kind of continuous coverage. It provides a place where people can go to feel a part of a national sense of sorrow and puzzlement.

Watching the cable coverage is like going to a funeral home to pay your respects and to be reminded how fleeting life is.

Or maybe it's like attending a counseling session. The topic is what could go so wrong inside the shooter's head that would make him kill and hurt all those people and wound so many other family members for the rest of their lives? The pictures of brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers of the victims crying at a memorial were heartbreaking.

Next week the news caravan will pack up and travel on to the next big story. This one won't be forgotten for a while, but the follow-ups will descend in importance down the news ladder because there's little left to say.

In the meantime, looking at the TV screen lets us feel sympathy and empathy for all the victims, even the killer's family.

It also allows us to silently be thankful it wasn't our children or our school. The worst thing about the images on the screen is that it also makes us secretly shudder with the unspoken fear that it could be our school the next time, and nobody seems to know how to stop it.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 11:45 AM
Apologies, from that slant I agree 100%, on what media focuses on and how. I've unplugged (TV) and read news only, I 've had it with TV psuedo journalism. As a parent of children in heaven, I can relate to the parents that cancelled Today show appearances after NBC aired the killers video rants and all. GOOD FOR THEM! The parents should have been on FIRST, if they had to air that video, not AFTER it. WHile I believe in Freedom Of Information, I have mixed feelings on airing killers writings and videos..... I feel it makes them a Cultural Icon (or multiplies the effect), evil as it may be, it still is an icon thing. Unfortunately, the next looney now has a target goal (have to hit 40 now....) there is no answer really...... what should be learned is don't ignore red flag warnings that somebody is deeply disturbed.

BTW, I only act disturbed, I'm really OK, don't turn me in Also, I apologize for my rants of a few days ago, Imus hit one deep nerve in me, as everyone, and rant away I did......

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 04:33 PM
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They have given this kid exactly what he wanted.


Oh did they ever


And what slight bit of difference does it make now? If they had done the right thing (in your views) and not shown the package that was mailed to them, would that have made things any better?
I see no reason to bash NBC -- a package was mailed to them, they alerted authorities & went about a difficult situation as best they could.
Anything to help people recognize what are patterns of behavior that could lead to mass murder, I'm in favor of publicizing. Of course it was disturbing and upsetting to see this boy armed with guns and talking his deranged talk -- I just think that, with all respect and condolences to the families of the victims, things would have been made worse had word gotten out -- and it would have -- that NBC had received a package from the shooter, mailed to the network in the midst of his shooting spree -- but that the network had decided to keep the contents from the public. IMO there would have been a great hue and cry from the general public as to why they were not making it public -- compounding an already terrible situation.
I can understand both sides of the situation, but to simply call the people at NBC idiots is unfair IMO.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 05:04 PM
bird, why do you think it makes him an icon? An icon is someone that people look up to; he will just be remembered as someone who created an event in the history of the country and of that college, because he killed more people than anyone else in that type of an act; if somebody is keeping a Guiness book of ghastly acts and behavior then maybe he broke a world record. Those who seek to emulate or do something even more outlandish than that would try to do so anyway; like the guy who shot John Lennon who wanted to make a name for himself. It is news, people have a right to know what happened, by whom and why; the only ones who capitalize on it are the ones who get inspired and use things like this to make movies about similar or worse acts.

 

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  posted on 4/19/2007 at 06:02 PM
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it's about setting a precident for the next deranged worm out there.

the contract between the media and the future wacko's is now even stronger.

you shoot em' up, the more the better, and we'll profile your pathetic life.

the more you shoot, the more glory you'll have.

now, send us your best G.I. Joe shot before you go on your rampage. so all the people who kicked sand in your face for all these years will see what bad-ass you've become.



and i'm not even a media basher.

but damn, this is a new low. just turn the damn tape over to the police, and that's it.

they were idiots. it's just fact.



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They are unrelated issues and using Virginia Tech as a political tool in an Imus debate is a weird parrallel and makes no sense..... and proves no point. I am very depressed in thinking of the kids and parents at V Tech, but it really has no effect on me thinking Imus should have been fired. Yes in relative proportion it is ridiculous to even bring them into the same discussion. Using dead children as a political hobby horse tool is wrong (I semi-quote Gov of Virginia).... and I agree..... dead children are not some self serving tool in any debate.....


Boy, you're tellin' me.

Barry O opened his mouth the other day & made the same leap....

from a speach he made the day after the VT tragedy...

"There's also another kind of violence that we're going to have to think about. It's not necessarily the physical violence, but the violence that we perpetrate on each other in other ways." There's the "verbal violence" of Imus.

There's "the violence of men and women who have worked all their lives and suddenly have the rug pulled out from under them because their job is moved to another country."

There's "the violence of children whose voices are not heard in communities that are ignored."

http://www.wispolitics.com/1006/20070416obama.mp3

All of life's daily struggle are 'violence' according to Obama? All 'violence' is equitable.


 

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And what slight bit of difference does it make now?


it's about setting a precident for the next deranged worm out there.

the contract between the media and the future wacko's is now even stronger.

you shoot em' up, the more the better, and we'll profile your pathetic life.

the more you shoot, the more glory you'll have.

now, send us your best G.I. Joe shot before you go on your rampage. so all the people who kicked sand in your face for all these years will see what bad-ass you've become.



and i'm not even a media basher.

but damn, this is a new low. just turn the damn tape over to the police, and that's it.

they were idiots. it's just fact.



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They have given this kid exactly what he wanted.


Oh did they ever


And what slight bit of difference does it make now? If they had done the right thing (in your views) and not shown the package that was mailed to them, would that have made things any better?
I see no reason to bash NBC -- a package was mailed to them, they alerted authorities & went about a difficult situation as best they could.
Anything to help people recognize what are patterns of behavior that could lead to mass murder, I'm in favor of publicizing. Of course it was disturbing and upsetting to see this boy armed with guns and talking his deranged talk -- I just think that, with all respect and condolences to the families of the victims, things would have been made worse had word gotten out -- and it would have -- that NBC had received a package from the shooter, mailed to the network in the midst of his shooting spree -- but that the network had decided to keep the contents from the public. IMO there would have been a great hue and cry from the general public as to why they were not making it public -- compounding an already terrible situation.
I can understand both sides of the situation, but to simply call the people at NBC idiots is unfair IMO.


Stephen, I respectfully do not agree. What in God's name are we going to learn from that video and the writtings??? especially seeing it over and over and over. Brucebcd hit it on the head. Now there is an example for the next lunatic to follow to get in the news. Anyone screaming for attention that is sick in the head now knows they will not only get on tv but will own the media for days. Man yesterday something like 160 people died in Iraq and today they had the Senate hearings against Gonzalez. Anyone see that on tv??? No, we saw the same video over and over with the same canned interviews about him over and over. The gibirish that was written is almost incoherent because the kid is nuts. I guess I can understand NBC airing it once but its all over non stop. And at the end of the day if you think they are replaying it over and over for public safety for the next time this happens and not for ratings, I just dont see it, sorry bro.

 

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Good post nypeachhead -- I guess the way I see it is just that, the media taking the hit they're taking in the wake of all this, just seems to be a little out of balance -- the NBC news from tonight at 6:30 I thought reported on it responsibly enough -- in the final picture, unstable people are going to do what they're going to do, whether driven to do it by the desire to become famous, or, as a poster (Mike) said in one of the other threads, if they're just plain old fashioned chithouse nuts.
Getting the information out there -- again, in a responsible measured sensitive manner -- IMO is too important to consider not doing because of what might or might not happen.
No matter what, the whole situation is ghastly beyond comprehension.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2007 at 01:07 AM
I don't feel that there was a need to go as in depth as the media did about the killer and the manifesto that he sent to NBC. If you got to Fox or CNN web site right now, it is difficult to find the victims, their pictures or descriptions. On the other hand, all you see is the killer's face. What does this tell the reader/viewer? The average person? To me, it seems that showing this says nothing more than "Hey! If you go out and kill a bunch of people and make the whole thing interesting after the fact then you become infamous and get your picture and your chosen words all over the national news!!!" NOW, the fact that NBC DID air the videos and images, is news ITSELF!!!!!!!

In the whole mix of things, very little is being said about the victims. It pisses me off that 32 innocent people had to die in order for this pathetic person to become famous.



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To answer the question of the thread though, I think VT would win. They would beat Imus in a heartbeat!!!!

Sort of reminds me of SNL... Mike Ditka vs. Don Imus....... Da Bears vs. Don Imus.....




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I don't feel that there was a need to go as in depth as the media did about the killer and the manifesto that he sent to NBC. If you got to Fox or CNN web site right now, it is difficult to find the victims, their pictures or descriptions. On the other hand, all you see is the killer's face. What does this tell the reader/viewer? The average person? To me, it seems that showing this says nothing more than "Hey! If you go out and kill a bunch of people and make the whole thing interesting after the fact then you become infamous and get your picture and your chosen words all over the national news!!!" NOW, the fact that NBC DID air the videos and images, is news ITSELF!!!!!!!

In the whole mix of things, very little is being said about the victims. It pisses me off that 32 innocent people had to die in order for this pathetic person to become famous.



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CNN has been rotating pictures of the victims on their web site. That really doesn't make any less of scum sucking news org.

 

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  posted on 4/20/2007 at 07:14 AM
"Using dead children as a political hobby horse tool is wrong (I semi-quote Gov of Virginia).... and I agree..... dead children are not some self serving tool in any debate....."


While a very noble and honorable sentiment, one suspects that the Democrats will themselves use the issue for their own agenda/hobby horse....defined as whatever it may be

 

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