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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 11:29 AM
Like most everyone here, I loved the book and have read it multiple times. I suppose that different people are struck by different things, but this one portion really bothered me and I wondered what others thought. I don't want to paraphrase, so I'll quote the passage frpm pp. 252-53:

"I also think back to the (Beacon) show of three nights earlier and a rather unsettling moment that has stuck in my head.

At the Tuesday night Beacon show, the band's pre-encore closer was 'No One To Run With,' one of the standouts from their 1995 album, Where It All Begins. The lyrics tell the story of a man whose friends have all left town. As Gregg sang, the screen above him was filled with images of musicians now gone. The New York crowd, many of whom probably weren't even born at the time of Duane Allman's death, had virtually no reactiion as flickering images of Duane appeared on the giant backdrop. Footage of Berry Oakley was met with the same eerie silence. A few cheers could be heard when pictures of former ABB bassist Allen Woody came up, but when Jerry Garcia's face splashed across the screen, the crowd erupted in a loud roar.

Garcia's voluminous contributions to American music and culture notwithstanding, observing the audience's reaction - or lack thereof, with respect to Duane and Berry - was nothing short of disconcerting to me. I couldn't help but wonder if Duane Allman has begun to fade from the public's collective memory - even from the memories of many fans of the very band that bears his name. A year earlier, the Allman Brothers Band had added 'Layla' to the set list - an overt tribute to Duane. Did the audiences who attended Allman Brothers concerts that year really grasp the connection, or were they simply cheering the band's decision to cover an old Eric Clapton record?"

Perhaps I overreacted but that hit me like a ton of bricks and was curious as to what others thought.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 11:35 AM
I think this calls for another Grateful Dead thread.

I think it is a matter of Garcia's image being used so much over the years. More people recognize him. Poster boy for the hippy generation.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 11:47 AM
Hello, my friend!

I haven't read Poe's book yet, but I plan to get to it soon. If you loved it, it's a must read!

His observation isn't a shock to me, I agree with him. I've often found myself wondering if there are people out there who think the Allman Brothers Band didn't exist before 1989!



 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 11:52 AM
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I think this calls for another Grateful Dead thread.

I think it is a matter of Garcia's image being used so much over the years. More people recognize him. Poster boy for the hippy generation.


I'll agree with that, James. In fact, Garcia's commercial visibility was like a symbol to the generation that raised him up above the clouds in the late 80's until his death. He bacame even more iconic after he died. Many of them could tell you who he was, but beyond that, they knew little to nothing about the man as a musician.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 11:53 AM
I remember the moment well. I prefer to think that the crowd's silence as Duane and Berry's images were shown was out of respect and reverence. I was also silent, and that is why. The less astute in the crowd would be more likely to recognize and react loudly to Jerry's image, but I didn't take the silence for Duane and Berry as a negative. Remember, the crowd was silent after the final show at the Fillmore.

 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 12:55 PM
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Like most everyone here, I loved the book and have read it multiple times. I suppose that different people are struck by different things, but this one portion really bothered me and I wondered what others thought. I don't want to paraphrase, so I'll quote the passage frpm pp. 252-53:

"I also think back to the (Beacon) show of three nights earlier and a rather unsettling moment that has stuck in my head.

At the Tuesday night Beacon show, the band's pre-encore closer was 'No One To Run With,' one of the standouts from their 1995 album, Where It All Begins. The lyrics tell the story of a man whose friends have all left town. As Gregg sang, the screen above him was filled with images of musicians now gone. The New York crowd, many of whom probably weren't even born at the time of Duane Allman's death, had virtually no reactiion as flickering images of Duane appeared on the giant backdrop. Footage of Berry Oakley was met with the same eerie silence. A few cheers could be heard when pictures of former ABB bassist Allen Woody came up, but when Jerry Garcia's face splashed across the screen, the crowd erupted in a loud roar.

Garcia's voluminous contributions to American music and culture notwithstanding, observing the audience's reaction - or lack thereof, with respect to Duane and Berry - was nothing short of disconcerting to me. I couldn't help but wonder if Duane Allman has begun to fade from the public's collective memory - even from the memories of many fans of the very band that bears his name. A year earlier, the Allman Brothers Band had added 'Layla' to the set list - an overt tribute to Duane. Did the audiences who attended Allman Brothers concerts that year really grasp the connection, or were they simply cheering the band's decision to cover an old Eric Clapton record?"

Perhaps I overreacted but that hit me like a ton of bricks and was curious as to what others thought.


I don't think that's generally true. Duane's inage gets great reaction from the crowd. But it's kind of become old hat by now as they play that song a lot and do the same thing everytime. I think the average ABB fan is well aware of Duane Allman.

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 01:08 PM
I think a large amount of today's ABB fans are searching for a scene there's no Dead or Phish to follow.
 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 02:11 PM
I don't remember seeing Garcia in that slide show. Was it brief, or up there for a while? My son and I loved seeing the Duane footage superimposed over the video of the current band actually playing, but we were both quiet during it, just remarking that it was cool.
 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 02:31 PM
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I remember the moment well. I prefer to think that the crowd's silence as Duane and Berry's images were shown was out of respect and reverence. I was also silent, and that is why. The less astute in the crowd would be more likely to recognize and react loudly to Jerry's image, but I didn't take the silence for Duane and Berry as a negative. Remember, the crowd was silent after the final show at the Fillmore.


That's where I'm at when I view these images. I damn near cry during this song watching the slides. Brother Duane has moved me more than any other guitarist, ever. Same with Brother Berry.

Brother Derek's getting close, for the record!

 

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  posted on 4/14/2007 at 02:38 PM
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I think this calls for another Grateful Dead thread.

I think it is a matter of Garcia's image being used so much over the years. More people recognize him. Poster boy for the hippy generation.


I'll agree with that, James. In fact, Garcia's commercial visibility was like a symbol to the generation that raised him up above the clouds in the late 80's until his death. He bacame even more iconic after he died. Many of them could tell you who he was, but beyond that, they knew little to nothing about the man as a musician.


Very true. The last few tours started to seem like a circus because so many people started to show up. Many knew very little about the Dead and were looking for a party. I think that had an effect on Jerry and the band. Stale setlists and some not so hot shows from those years.

I believe that some cheer out of respect to all. Others may be silent in respect. I agree that some fans have seen it many times and it has little effect to them. Some people don't even notice. (My buddy being one of them-he said what video?)

Some die-hards know the history very well but some others just like the tunes and don't know the players. Nothing wrong with that. Different people have various hobbies. Some could care less who is playing. The majority of people at current ABB shows were either very young when Duane passed or they were not born at all.

Sadly even less people recognize (or know about) Berry.

I remember another video that they showed (around 96-98) where they showed many old blues artists. Virtually no one had a clue who any of these guys were. My friend suggested they put the names and year of their birth and death.


 

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  posted on 4/15/2007 at 12:43 PM
Hi, mind if I jump in?

In the book, I was referring to what was done on the big screen behind the band on 3/23/04. I described it exactly as I saw it that night, and I described the audience's reaction exactly as I heard it.

When I was at the 3/31 show this year, I thought what they did with NOLTRW was really cool. They projected the current band playing the song in real time up on the screen, superimposing footage of Duane playing, so that it looked like DA was right there, playing with them. I, for one, was just knocked out by it. This year, there was no footage of Garcia at the end (or none that I saw, at least).

The point I was making (or trying to make) in the book was that the audience on 3/23/04 reacted to the photos of Woody and Garcia, but not to those of Duane and Berry. Therefore, the audience as a whole seemed to be less knowledgeable of who Duane and Berry were.

I'll accept the explanation that the silence for Duane and Berry was out of respect for Duane and Berry on the part of some people in the audience - but I can't accept that being the general case of those in attendance. Otherwise, one would have to presume that the audience had less respect for Woody and none at all for Garcia.

Over the course of the half-year that the book has been out, I've had a ton of people ask me how my book about Gregg(!) is doing. This constant faux pas just continues to prove my point.

Obviously, the people on this forum know who Duane was and respect what he contributed to the band. Thank God! And thanks to all of you who have continued to write and tell me how much you've enjoyed the book.

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  posted on 4/15/2007 at 01:05 PM
I see the new issue of Blues Revue (was in Border's yesterday) has a review of Skydog, The Duane Allman Story in it. Pretty decent review. Congrats, Randy. btw, the issue is the "Festival" issue.

Libby,

I agree with what you said, when you wonder "if anybody thinks the ABB existed before 1989?" It does bother me a lot that people make more of the Greatful Dead connection to the band, than really existed. Truth is, in the "Duane and Berry era", the ABB was considered and embraced more as a "blues band", than they were as a "free form band, such as the Dead" and I speak as someone who saw both bands, several times back in early '70s. Nowadays, while the "blues" element of the ABB is still a vital part of the ABB, it appears the current band has embraced more of the elements that the "jam band" communities likes, and sometimes I find myself wishing the ABB was more blues orientated, but that just my personal feelings.

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  posted on 4/15/2007 at 01:24 PM
Randy, it was great meeting you on 3/31, and thanks for signing my book. I gave it a second read on my trip home and found it just as hard to put down as I did the first time.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2007 at 02:14 PM
There is a book being written....no, not by me, I've got my hands full with Johnny's story.....but by a person who knew Duane during a time that's never been previously addressed in a book. If you enjoyed Skydog, you're really going to like this one filled with new and never before written about information.

 

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  posted on 4/15/2007 at 02:18 PM
Thanks for the tip, Ann!

 

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  posted on 4/15/2007 at 02:21 PM
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Hi, mind if I jump in?

In the book, I was referring to what was done on the big screen behind the band on 3/23/04. I described it exactly as I saw it that night, and I described the audience's reaction exactly as I heard it.

When I was at the 3/31 show this year, I thought what they did with NOLTRW was really cool. They projected the current band playing the song in real time up on the screen, superimposing footage of Duane playing, so that it looked like DA was right there, playing with them. I, for one, was just knocked out by it. This year, there was no footage of Garcia at the end (or none that I saw, at least).

The point I was making (or trying to make) in the book was that the audience on 3/23/04 reacted to the photos of Woody and Garcia, but not to those of Duane and Berry. Therefore, the audience as a whole seemed to be less knowledgeable of who Duane and Berry were.

I'll accept the explanation that the silence for Duane and Berry was out of respect for Duane and Berry on the part of some people in the audience - but I can't accept that being the general case of those in attendance. Otherwise, one would have to presume that the audience had less respect for Woody and none at all for Garcia.

Over the course of the half-year that the book has been out, I've had a ton of people ask me how my book about Gregg(!) is doing. This constant faux pas just continues to prove my point.

Obviously, the people on this forum know who Duane was and respect what he contributed to the band. Thank God! And thanks to all of you who have continued to write and tell me how much you've enjoyed the book.

Best,
Randy

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Randy,

They've been doing that Duane thing since at least last year, each and everytime they play NOTRW. This year they actually spruced it up a bit. I honestly believe that for many people, it has been seen so many times, it is not that special anymore. I was floored and almost in tears the first time I saw it and while I still like seeing Duane up there, obviously after the seventh or eighth time, it loses some of its impact. That said, I'm sure in 2003 your impression was correct. Hopefully your book will sell beyond the ABB fan community and teach music lovers in general about Skydog.

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  posted on 4/15/2007 at 03:01 PM
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There is a book being written....no, not by me, I've got my hands full with Johnny's story.....but by a person who knew Duane during a time that's never been previously addressed in a book. If you enjoyed Skydog, you're really going to like this one filled with new and never before written about information.

I didn't know you were such a tease!

 

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