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  posted on 3/28/2003 at 06:34 PM
Can someone enlighten (no pun intended) me as to why my beloved Bros avoid playing anything from the Enlightened Rogues album at any of there shows? I have been to almost every show in the Chicago area over the past 20 years. They never play anything from this album. Is there some sort of legal hangup with Dickey regarding this album?
Let me know what you think. I'd love to hear Pegasus just once.

 
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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 12:20 AM
I don't think the material holds up all that well compared to other stuff.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 02:04 AM
I don't think it's even related to Dickey stuff - after they broke up in '82, I don't think they ever played anything from this album live (except for Crazy Love in early 2000). Guess they didn't care much for the album in retrospect...

 

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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 09:29 AM
Have to agree with both of you. Enlighten Rogues was probably their most "southern rock" album and consequently doesn't hold up as well.
 
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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 10:09 AM
They did play "Need Your Love So Bad", the cover song from the album, in 1997 with Jack. But not in Chicago. -- Obviously "Crazy Love" was played with Dickey in 2000. The band kind of likes to forget about that period from 1978-1982. That's all. Quite frankly, I think there are a couple songs from that era that would sound great with new arrangements by the current band. Something like "So Long" from REACH FOR THE SKY.
 

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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 10:27 AM
I still think that "Just Ain't Easy" is Gregg's best song since Laid Back and one of his best songs, period. I'd definitely have it in a top 10 list of his songs. It's a shame that the band hasn't dragged this one out, because it would give a nice feel to their shows and add a little more variety. Warren would tear this one up!

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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 10:57 AM
I have a pretty poor sounding GAB show from 98 where he did Need Your Love so Bad.

 

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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 11:28 AM
Most of that album sucks, except for "Just Ain't Easy", "Can't Take It With You" and "Sail Away"... I prefer "Brothers of the Road", actually!

[Edited on 3/29/2003 by fschiazza]

 

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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 12:07 PM
That's right, I forgot about Need Your Love So Bad (I'm not as familiar with this ABB period). I did hear them do that in June '97. I think it was only played a handful of times that summer, and not after...

 

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  posted on 3/29/2003 at 12:10 PM
We have been bugging them to bring some of these out of mothballs there is always some hope they may still dig out one or write something new prior to the summer tour. I have quite a few 79 shows where they are playing those tunes and I enjoy them.

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  posted on 3/30/2003 at 01:46 PM
Dickey wrote most of the songs like Crazy Love, Blind Love, Try it One More TIme, Pegasus, Sail Away, Gregg's voice on a Dickey song just won't sound right. It just won't. Now it is true he switched off on the vocals with Dickey on Try it One More Time, but he sounded strained, and angry, almost like he was telling Dickey, Don't ya think WE oughta try doing this song one more time. Dickey's vocals were melodic, a little sad, but determined and passion filled. Sure I can find a couple of places where the guitar could've been more exact in a perfectionist way. I do think there were financial issues with the songwriter credits, though it is my understanding Dickey started writing the songs before the Central Park reunion show while he was with Great Southern. He was duly inspired by Duane.

[Edited on 4/1/2003 by gina]

 

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  posted on 3/30/2003 at 03:17 PM
"Gregg's voice on a Dickey song just won't sound right. It just won't."

You're absolutely right as always Gina. I totally agree, Gregg sounds terrible on "Nobody Knows" and "No Run to Run With". WHATEVER!

[Edited on 3/30/2003 by kjw818]

 

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  posted on 3/30/2003 at 03:35 PM
They did play "Just Ain't Easy" once on the Beacon run of '97 right before Warren & Woody left. It's hilarious because the band starts together in 2 different tempos and really messes it up. But once they all get together, it's pretty cool, 'cause that's a great song. -- Incidentally Gina, although Dickey wrote or co-wrote most of the songs on ENLIGHTENED ROGUES, Gregg sang most of them anyway! Dickey only sang lead on "Crazy Love" & "Sail Away". He & Gregg trade off vocals on "Try it One More Time". -- I actually like a lot of the songs. -- I was told that the band isn't really fond of the 1978-1982 era of their history and that's why it tends to get ignored in the setlists. But I've been saying for years that many of those songs would actually be great with the current lineup (any lineup from 89-present for that matter) and especially if they put some creativity into the arrangements.
 

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  posted on 3/30/2003 at 04:21 PM
Gina is stuck on a one track mind as usual you can tell what her response is before you even read it.
 
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  posted on 3/30/2003 at 10:26 PM
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"Gregg's voice on a Dickey song just won't sound right. It just won't."


I prefer Gregg's vocal on Southbound.
Always have and always will.

 

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  posted on 3/30/2003 at 10:32 PM
This incarnation of the ABB would kill "Just Ain't Easy" and "Pegasus" .... would love to hear both of those ....

 

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  posted on 3/31/2003 at 04:31 PM
Thank you everyone. I didn't exect so many varied responses. I would disagree though with some of you who thought that this album wasen't up to par. I have always felt that this album smokes and would consider it an essential Brothers album to own, along with Back where it all Begins. But that's just me. THANKS FOR ALL OF YOUR RESPONSES.

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  posted on 4/1/2003 at 04:17 PM
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This incarnation of the ABB would kill "Just Ain't Easy" and "Pegasus" .... would love to hear both of those ....


This lineup would kill Jingle Bells

 

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  posted on 4/1/2003 at 06:53 PM
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I prefer Gregg's vocal on Southbound.
Always have and always will.


I actually like Dickey's vocals on Southbound better than Gregg's and I like the way he revised the tempo, and it's not because I'm a true Dickhead, I just like it better. It's also the way I feel about Dreams, nothing compares to the original version with Gregg's vocals and Duane's slide, there have been killer versions of it live, but I love the old one the best.

 

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  posted on 4/1/2003 at 06:57 PM
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This lineup would kill Jingle Bells


You had to make us think of that. Which band would do the most inspired version of that, I think the Derek Trucks Band has the most spirit with holiday and celebration type songs, and Derek would have the most fun with it too. I'll always love what Gregg did with It Just Ain't Easy, and actually one of my favorite Dickey riffs is in THAT song, it's simple but profound in it's effect if you let the music take you away.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 12:36 AM
Derek slidin' and Oteil scattin' Jingle Bells is something I would pay to see!

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 09:42 AM
After the 3/21 show, I told my Beacon roomies on 3/22 that they could come out and do Christmas Carols, and rip my head off !! Funny to read the Jingle Bells comment !!

The two best guitar players on the planet have not only recorded together, but are now touring together .... It's a good time to tune into the ABB ....

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 11:07 AM
"The two best guitar players on the planet have not only recorded together but are now touring together...it's a good time t tune into the ABB..."
You got that right Dino. I haven't heard any of this year's Beacon shows (Layla?? Holy Toledo!!), but that new album just keeps getting better and better. The band's sound post-Dickey is becoming more and more crystallized -- one hears decidedly different-sounding music in a cut like Old Before My Time, for instance, than from some of Dickey's blues-based stuff on Collectors even though they're both acoustic-blues. It's one of my favorite cuts on there, along with I-Illness, Desdemona and basically just about everything else on there.
Hittin' The Note is one fantastic album, and all one can say is THANK YOU ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND. This summer's shows loom as scary -- scary in a good, enlightening mind-bending way of course. My goodness.
Yes it's a thrilling time to be an ABB fan -- in the meantime I'm going to see two pretty good players in their own right, Dickey and Dan, April 16. How great that we still have all this music and all these musicians to enjoy. I'm sure Dickey himself in his heart of hearts must like what he hears of Hittin' The Note -- just as most in the ABB camp have smiled when hearing the music from Dickey's two albums.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 11:39 AM
That kind of sums it all up right there Stephen Great post!

 

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  posted on 4/3/2003 at 11:45 AM
Thank you kindly bro!
 
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