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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 11:26 PM
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How beautiful it looks with the hydrangeas in the pot etc...


Yeah, but they've been stolen, several times.


That's so cruel. They bring the family a great deal of comfort putting them there and tending to them....

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 11:30 PM
I guess that's what the point of this tread of awareness is about.....all the stuff that has gone on really is cruel. You found just the right word.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 11:35 PM
It will feel very extra satisfied pulling on my shirts from Kim , what a great cause .
 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 03:56 AM
i would feel very extra comfortable beat the hell out'n some of these stupid ass people

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 08:46 AM
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Part of the 'legend' being promulgated is that all the members of the band hung out in the cemetery every night, partying and engaging in sexual escapades. I can't say they didn't go there once in a while and party, write songs and other stuff....but where in the legend does it say anyone in the band desecrated any graves with graffiti, left the place trashed or trespassed, as Dave pointed out, where they were requested to not tresspass?

Again, Dave is right.....what was done then has no bearing on what's being done now.....crossing a posted trespass notice, defacing the stones, leaving litter and disrespecting family members who ask you to leave. Those who think there is a translation of behavior here should rethink their position.

The graves....and that includes all of the lot, brick wall area included....is private property. If you respect these two men and their memory and want to be able to visit the site to draw inspiration or just say hello, you'll find a way to help build the fence to achieve that purpose.

Nothing in the photos posted so far can or should be excused by anyone for any reason.

[Edited on 3/22/2007 by bigann]


The alternate point of view that was introduced was in no way an attempt
to make up an excuse in order to pardon the people in the photos.
In reality, what was done back then CAN be linked to what is going on
now because both acts can be viewed as disrespectful.
We can't argue what's in the photos, that's obvious.
And I'm not too caught up in legend or what people who knew them have to say.
Unfortunately we can't ask the brothers that are gone, what really went down.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 09:55 AM
Bringing this over here, in case some aren't aware. here is one thing you can do for now, which will lead to help fund whatever is decided is needed. So the Preverbial "Put your money where your mouth is" is staring you straight in the eyes! It is money well spent.

Hey Gang
A Message from Zebo and Kim.
Kim just hung up his Can with a string with me..and this is his New phone!!
Being stuck in around 1954, this is how we communicate..it beats the smoke signal's he tried to send
For a man who can paint like a pro, and play guitar like a Phenom...he can't handle a computer.
So, I am here to tell you we are accepting preorders for the full colored version of the Layla Peacock replica shirt.
For the record, after having a wonderful conversation with the ORIGINAL Painter of the Shirt commissioned by Eric Clapton, the Birds are actually Griffins. What an incredible lady, and I was honored to recieve a phone call from her. Also, for the record, Eric Clapton DID wear the shirt in concert when he recieved it in England in ealry 1970..ok..MUST find pictures!!!
Kim loves to talk with all the folk's who want a shirt, so these will be phone orders.
Call Kim Hoover at 815 943-0583, again, the number is 815 943-0583
Cost of the Shirt is $85.

We need a pre order of only ONE DOZEN to place the order, we should be able to handle that easy!
The money recieved in part will go to help us fund our "project". We will not send a direct check to Candace, as we need some of it to pay for some expenses that we will come across that will be major.
. Between the cookbooks, the ebay auctions, and straight donations we are showing what the power of positive energy can accomplish.
Many people just stand back pointing fingers, and shaking their heads at a injustice. Here..we ACT! Right eff'in ON!!
Call Kim Hoover at 815 943-0583, again, the number is 815 943-0583
Pre order your shirt, and know your putting your money where your heart is.
It's going to make you proud one day..trust me

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[Edited on 3/23/2007 by SkyPuppy]

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 10:44 AM
what was done back then CAN be linked to what is going on
now because both acts can be viewed as disrespectful.
We can't argue what's in the photos, that's obvious.
And I'm not too caught up in legend or what people who knew them have to say.
Unfortunately we can't ask the brothers that are gone, what really went down.


I'm almost at a loss to understand what's being said here. What went on back then as far as Duane and Berry is limited to a picture or two and stories about what other members of the band may have admitted to doing. Duane and Berry's participation in much of the 'legend' has been refuted by a number of sources who actually knew the people and were there at the time. And it's their graves we're concerned withl

But for the sake of discussion let's say both of them spent hours in the cemetery doing heaven knows what......and that this would be considered disrespectful......exactly how does that translate into what's being done today. As stated....bad behavior is bad behavior. Why do people feel they have a right to participate in it today?

The math has been done before but let's do it again.....there were maybe 10 people including the band and those around them and even if they all went to the cememtery every night....and we know they didn't because Duane was gone somewhere else most of the time and the others were playing or in the studio...but let's just say there were 10 people out there every night all week. That would translate to a total of 70 visitors.

Now digest this....there are approximately 800 cars driving through Rose Hill every week. (This means about 41,600 cars a year driving on the cemetery roads) If even half the cars contained more than one person that would be 1,200 people a week which would translate into a minimum of 62,400 people a year. If only half that number (and we know it's higher) visited the graves.....that's 31,200 people a year. Say there's only about 10 percent of those visitors who feel the need to 'live the legend' you're talking about 3,120 people.

Do you have any idea how much damage people just paying their respects can do just by standing on the wall or around the ropes (which, by the way, is part of the lot and private property)? Think about the damage three thousand people can do the the marble by standing on it or the foliage by trampling though it. Think about the debris dropped or memorabilia left. It's a staggering amout of traffic to the site.

Every person who goes over the ropes has his or her special reason for doing so....thinking, perhaps, what harm can one or two people do? If it was just one or two people, it wouldn't make much difference....but over 3,000 DO make a difference. And no amount of justification that 'the band did it in the day' makes it right today.

I don't care if the band slept on the stones at night back then....I do know for a fact had a member of the family asked them to leave, they'd have gone and not come back. And as I've said before....these are Berry and Duane's graves and their family should be respected.....not, as we've seen in the pictures....mocked and ridiculed because they don't want the site to turn into another Graceland. If you profess to respect those two men....you must therefore respect their families and their wishes.

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 01:12 PM
Y'all can holler at me all you want. I'll let it roll off. This is a negative thread. Negativity goes no where. Violence is wrong. Serves no purpose. All of the RH threads either start out negative or get there soon. The people who want to give Candace money are doing so. I doubt the minds of those who do not want to send her money will be changed by these threads.

I believe Berry and Duane were peaceful people.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 01:36 PM
Duane didn't suffer fools lightly.

While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality.

I tend to liken the situation to someone breaking your windshield and then saying you're creating negativity by asking them to pay for the damage.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 01:42 PM
I don't suffer fools at all. There's no violence involved in my non-suffering. I distance myself from the fool.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 02:31 PM
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Duane didn't suffer fools lightly.

While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality.

I tend to liken the situation to someone breaking your windshield and then saying you're creating negativity by asking them to pay for the damage.



The impression I get is that you respect opinions until they
stray from your line of thinking. Then we all become transgressors.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 02:31 PM
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Bigann, I think that what MissElf meant by the negativity is those people who wish to beat the crap out of the transgressors. I realize that it is mostly just talk, but the thought lowers us to the level of the transgressors.


I respect that opinion and I agree. I can't think of a single person I've met who would actually do any of the things they've expressed doing but I also understand that sometimes you can get so mad you have to express it vocally. I for one, never thought my mother was really going to 'beat a lung out of me.'

Oh, and my comment about Duane not suffering fools was targeted to those who have committed the transgressions....not at all to imply a response to MissElf who I have found to be a thoroughly delightful person.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 02:33 PM
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Duane didn't suffer fools lightly.

While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality.

I tend to liken the situation to someone breaking your windshield and then saying you're creating negativity by asking them to pay for the damage.



The impression I get is that you respect opinions until they
stray from your line of thinking. Then we all become transgender.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 02:40 PM
I'm not certain I understand your point Corky. I'd appreciate enlightenment with specificity.


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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 03:57 PM
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I'm not certain I understand your point Corky. I'd appreciate enlightenment with specificity.


[Edited on 3/23/2007 by bigann]



"While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality."


Seeing that I haven't read or heard anyone say "Duane and Berry did it,
so I can do it".......I figured that was a shot at me since I was the one
who questioned the actions of the Bros at Rose Hill years ago.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 05:59 PM
I can understand how and why you might have taken that personally but you were not the one or even one of the ones I was referring to. I'm sorry you thought that. This is a problem that's been going on for a long time and there are many others who have said a great deal on the subject to justify smoking, drinking, having sex, etc. on the graves. If I read your posts correctly, you never said that was acceptable.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 07:45 PM
Here's a question. Wouldn't it have made a better story about "Little Martha" if someone had used a small grave that overlooks Carnation Ridge than a statue halfway between the gravesite and the Bond Monument.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 08:04 PM
When I look at these photos I get upset enough to want to open a pretty major can of whupass on these people. Now given what the photos are depicting -- desecration -- isn't it only a normal reaction to get that upset? That's not negativity, that's reacting to jerks showing blatant disregard for signs & the sanctity of a gravesite -- there's even a grownup sitting on one of the graves like he owns it -- he would not be sitting there long if I was there.
Thanks for keeping us posted Jerry.
Thank you Candace & Buford.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 10:00 PM
OK I can see where this topic can get mired in negativity however I believe the good far outweighs the bad. Folks awareness and opinions have indeed been changed because of this topic being "discussed". And many people who wouldn't have given a thought to supporting Rose Hill have now done so. I think much more can be accomplished as well; like better protection and possibly recieving funds from the city for the upkeep out of fines that are actually given. And if we can't change the situation for the better maybe a more permanent fencing/ barrier solution. And somewhere, sometime in this better world I would like to see the angels replaced for Duane's & Berry's loved ones.....

 

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  posted on 3/23/2007 at 10:23 PM
Interesting that you mention the angels. Several years ago one of my friends was certain she spotted the angels in a piece about the stolen monument industry. Seems there is quite a market in the beautiful old sculptures in cemeteries and the police busted a ring of the theives. In the piece they scanned over some of the stolen items and there were angels she swore looked just like the original ones. By the time she tried to track them down, no one seemed to know what happened to anything.

I hope when the fence is built it will then be safe to replace the angels with replicas of the original ones. Wouldn't that be nice?!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2007 at 09:31 AM
Yep!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2007 at 12:40 PM
i would love to see the angels back on the graves.......

 

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  posted on 3/24/2007 at 01:31 PM
Take care of this people, it is up to you. You are the one's who care the most it seem's.
Don't let happen to Duane and Berry's grave, what happened to mine.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2007 at 02:30 PM
THAT'S IT!!! Elvis is on the right track!!

The solution to this whole debacle is to relocate Duane and BO's graves to the back yard of The Big House, a la Ellvis' tomb at Graceland. At least it will be more difficult to access the graves at The Big House if they have the back yard secured. Won't The Big House Museum have security cameras, if not a resident caretaker, on premises at all times?

I'm half joking, of course, but it really is a viable idea. I know there are certain politics that would prevent this from ever happening, but at least the graves would be out of public, more like, uncontrolled public access. It's worth considering.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2007 at 02:52 PM
Alasl, for many reasons, some of which are well known, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that the graves would ever be relocated to either the big house or the hall of fame. That would seem to me like rewarding some of the people who are partly responsible for the problem. And by that I mean the ones who are turing the graves into a tourist stop in Macon....nothing personal intended.

I believe the fence as proposed will be the answer and will allow the guys to remain quietly and peacefully where they are now.

 

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