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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 02:55 PM
There is an old blues song that now goes by one or two titles, credited to Blind Lemon Jefferson; it was released in 1928. One title is “One Kind Favor” and the other is “See That My Grave Is Kept Clean”. Those two titles taken together pretty much sum up the song lyric.

Lemon was buried in an unmarked grave in a field near Wortham, Texas. I don’t know the state of his grave presently -- whether anyone has chosen to make some commemoration or whatever. I understand Robert Johnson actually has three official graves – talk about being jerked around. Anyway, if Lemon is still in an unmarked grave then I believe he got his wish.

With regard to all the abuse of these Rose Hill graves over the years, I can imagine in a lighter moment (with absolutely no intended disrespect), that if the spirit of a certain person could re-enter his earthly form, he might raise himself up on one elbow and holler out, “Hey Lemon, got any more space in your plot for a couple guitar pickers?!?!?” That thought can crack me up. I hope I’m not offending anyone.




 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 03:10 PM
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There is an old blues song that now goes by one or two titles, credited to Blind Lemon Jefferson; it was released in 1928. One title is “One Kind Favor” and the other is “See That My Grave Is Kept Clean”. Those two titles taken together pretty much sum up the song lyric.

Lemon was buried in an unmarked grave in a field near Wortham, Texas. I don’t know the state of his grave presently -- whether anyone has chosen to make some commemoration or whatever. I understand Robert Johnson actually has three official graves – talk about being jerked around. Anyway, if Lemon is still in an unmarked grave then I believe he got his wish.

With regard to all the abuse of these Rose Hill graves over the years, I can imagine in a lighter moment (with absolutely no intended disrespect), that if the spirit of a certain person could re-enter his earthly form, he might raise himself up on one elbow and holler out, “Hey Lemon, got any more space in your plot for a couple guitar pickers?!?!?” That thought can crack me up. I hope I’m not offending anyone.
No offense taken by me, bluboy. I imagine Duane woud be fairly disgusted by the entire situation.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 03:23 PM
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There is an old blues song that now goes by one or two titles, credited to Blind Lemon Jefferson; it was released in 1928. One title is “One Kind Favor” and the other is “See That My Grave Is Kept Clean”. Those two titles taken together pretty much sum up the song lyric.

Lemon was buried in an unmarked grave in a field near Wortham, Texas. I don’t know the state of his grave presently -- whether anyone has chosen to make some commemoration or whatever. I understand Robert Johnson actually has three official graves – talk about being jerked around. Anyway, if Lemon is still in an unmarked grave then I believe he got his wish.

With regard to all the abuse of these Rose Hill graves over the years, I can imagine in a lighter moment (with absolutely no intended disrespect), that if the spirit of a certain person could re-enter his earthly form, he might raise himself up on one elbow and holler out, “Hey Lemon, got any more space in your plot for a couple guitar pickers?!?!?” That thought can crack me up. I hope I’m not offending anyone.
No offense taken by me, bluboy. I imagine Duane woud be fairly disgusted by the entire situation.



Do you think the Brothers may have stepped on a grave or a marking
back in the day? I think that good ole Duane is gettin a helluva kick
outta people freakin over his gravesite.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 03:24 PM
I don't think Berry would be too happy either.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 03:28 PM
Maybe not, but weren't these guys
doing the same thing 35 years ago.

I'm partially playing devil's advocate, but I'm a little
amused, disturbed, and confused by the way that things
are getting played out in this thread.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 03:37 PM
Remember the picture that was taken at the mausoleum with Berry standing over the others?
 
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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 03:41 PM
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Maybe not, but weren't these guys
doing the same thing 35 years ago.

I'm partially playing devil's advocate, but I'm a little
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are getting played out in this thread.


Interesting point, Croky, and I can't say I disagree with you. I doubt many others will see it the same way.



I'm not running for office, so that's fine.
Just wanted to look at it from a different angle.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 04:01 PM
It's real easy to get fired up over this, as we are (mostly) all adults and act with a certain amount of dignity at this age. Back in the old days (late 60's, early 70's,) the band members were young men in their early 20's, and were pretty wild and carefree. Talking about what went on then and what is going on now is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. I know it may wreak of double standard, but unless we were running with them back then, we don't know. Yes, we have seen pictures of Duane standing on a marker, and yes, they did pose in front of the Bond monument. Correct me if I am wrong, but the issue today is about crossing over rope boundries that clearly state "NO TRESSPASSING." I don't think that was an issue 36-38 years ago at the Bond Monument or other sites within Rose Hill. The issue of showing respect to the dead could be an entirely different discussion. But, in my opinion, it's about respecting the wishes of the family to stay outside the ropes and off of the graves. That's showing respect for the LIVING.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 04:23 PM
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It's real easy to get fired up over this, as we are (mostly) all adults and act with a certain amount of dignity at this age. Back in the old days (late 60's, early 70's,) the band members were young men in their early 20's, and were pretty wild and carefree. Talking about what went on then and what is going on now is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. I know it may wreak of double standard, but unless we were running with them back then, we don't know. Yes, we have seen pictures of Duane standing on a marker, and yes, they did pose in front of the Bond monument. Correct me if I am wrong, but the issue today is about crossing over rope boundries that clearly state "NO TRESSPASSING." I don't think that was an issue 36-38 years ago at the Bond Monument or other sites within Rose Hill. The issue of showing respect to the dead could be an entirely different discussion. But, in my opinion, it's about respecting the wishes of the family to stay outside the ropes and off of the graves. That's showing respect for the LIVING.



Ropes or no ropes, signs or no signs.......respect is respect
and you should have as much if not more for the dead than the living.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 04:39 PM

this dude is either got his self a case of crabs or he got some of them red bugs out'n that tree over his head..........

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 04:41 PM
According to a guy at work, he said Blind Lemon Jeffersons grave is weeded over and there is small town which has a street party for him every year, and most don't know anything other than,,,,lots of beer and drunks in the street..

and I'm bumping this because it seems like a logical first step.

Perhaps this may be some help.

Many houses up for sale have a small envelope box wiht a description of the house for sale.

My thought is to have one of these envelope boxes at the gravesight with some info sheets about Duane, Berry and some information about some of the past problems with vandalism at Rose Hill and the costs that have occured do to muddy feet, theft, chipping away at the marble, tombstone rubbings , burns and even stains left by flowers which were innocently thrown onto the marble and that the colors had blead out and migrated into the stone.
A note from family respectfully asking that visitors to not cross the baracade, that we understand the appreciation for Berry and Duane but please do not cross. Thousands of admireres of Duane and Berry have been here and gave showed their honor and respect without crossing the barricade, but it only took a few to create this situation and cause the damage.

The words written on Duane's grave would be a nice addition to the fact sheet.

Unfortunatley at the bottom of the page, the Macon law which prohibits tresspassing on these and other siights and the fines which will occur if you are caught tresspassing, and that chances are pretty darn good, you will be caught and turned in and that the city of Macon will accept your credit card payment or cash.



If this materializes, I'm sure it will be no problem for several of the local fans to crusie by every so often and refill the envelope box.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 04:47 PM
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Are you saying that as long as the family of the person who is buried there doesn't say anything it is OK to walk on a grave, or pose for a picture or whatever? I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree.
No, Otie, I didn't say that. I said the people who go over the ropes TODAY are trespassing since it is posted "NO TRESPASSING."
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As for the times or the ages of the band members, I am about the same age as those guys and I would have said the same thing in 1969 as I did today. Respect should come with adulthood, not later in adulthood.
As I said, the band's behavior when they visited the cemetary back in the day is a whole 'nother topic of discussion. I won't judge them for past conduct. It's water under the bridge.

Personally, I wouldn't stand on top of a large marble marker, but I have stood on top of a grave before (it was grass covered with a flush bronze marker....family graves,) not in a disrespectful manor, but for access. I scattered some of my mother's ashes over my grandparent's graves. A perpetual care cemetary like that, it's hard to NOT walk on them. I also kneel down to edge the grass away from the marker as it grows over it. You're either on top of the grave at the head of it or at the foot of another. How do you stay off of graves when you are basically row after row, side by side, of markers like that? I was taught respect for the dead by my folks. It's simply acting in a respectful manor while in the cemetary. Does kneeling down to clean up around the bronze marker on a grave in a perpetual care cemetary seem disrespectful?

Again, IMO, sitting, standing or laying on top of a slab marker like DA's and BO's is disrespectful, and I'm sure most would agree to that. Willfully disobeying a NO TRESPASSING sign is disrespectful, also.

[Edited on 3/22/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 04:51 PM
Part of the 'legend' being promulgated is that all the members of the band hung out in the cemetery every night, partying and engaging in sexual escapades. I can't say they didn't go there once in a while and party, write songs and other stuff....but where in the legend does it say anyone in the band desecrated any graves with graffiti, left the place trashed or trespassed, as Dave pointed out, where they were requested to not tresspass?

Again, Dave is right.....what was done then has no bearing on what's being done now.....crossing a posted trespass notice, defacing the stones, leaving litter and disrespecting family members who ask you to leave. Those who think there is a translation of behavior here should rethink their position.

The graves....and that includes all of the lot, brick wall area included....is private property. If you respect these two men and their memory and want to be able to visit the site to draw inspiration or just say hello, you'll find a way to help build the fence to achieve that purpose.

Nothing in the photos posted so far can or should be excused by anyone for any reason.

[Edited on 3/22/2007 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 04:57 PM
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Alas, the Vaylorettes have once again ruined another generation of men!!! She's over the fence in forbidden territory and the only thing a guy can see is a chest 'filled with pride' Okay, guys....step away from the screen and look slowly down to her feet!


She has feet?

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 05:02 PM
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OK,D Dave, answer this for me. What is the difference between a grave that is roped off and one that isn't? Either way, you are trespassing. What is the difference between what is going on at Duane's and Berry's graves today and what the Brothers were doing? They were drinking, getting high or whatever. To me, it is the same thing and is somewhat relevant to this discussion. What these jackasses are doing these days at the gravesites is 100% wrong. But so was what the band did back in the day.


I'll agree with you that what the band did wasn't right. I won't even try to defend that at all. The transgressions today are inspired by that legend. But people who personally knew Duane and Berry.....and it's their graves we're concerned with now...state uncatagorically neither of them were disrespectful of people's property and Berry was raised to respect cemeteries and the people resting there. And they would never show the disrespect to a sister of a friend that people have shown to Candace.

But as I said....no excuses for those who did it back then.....no excuses for those who do it now.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 05:10 PM
ps...yes, she had feet.....notice which side of the rope they're on!

And again I agree with Dave. At a funeral I never know where to stand because I always know where ever it is, I'm on someone's grave. Hard to tell when you're walking to and from a place who is buried where even with the markers!

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 05:11 PM
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OK,D Dave, answer this for me. What is the difference between a grave that is roped off and one that isn't? Either way, you are trespassing. What is the difference between what is going on at Duane's and Berry's graves today and what the Brothers were doing? They were drinking, getting high or whatever. To me, it is the same thing and is somewhat relevant to this discussion. What these jackasses are doing these days at the gravesites is 100% wrong. But so was what the band did back in the day.
I won't disagree with that Otie, but like I said, I wasn't there, I don't know to what extent they tresspassed. We know the story about what happened on top of Liz Reed's grave. We've seen the picture of Duane standing on a marble slab marker. They took band pictures in front of the Bond monument. In their minds, they probably didn't think they were hurting anything or anyone. I'm not trying to excuse their behavior. Do we know if they were ever run off from the cemetary by the authorities? I don't know, and while it may be relevant in attitude, if no one was there to vocalize their disapproval, how would they know what they were doing was wrong? All I know is at the present time, there is a rope and a sign that reads NO TRESPASSING. People are ignoring the sign, going over the rope and then getting indignant when someone expresses disapproval of it. If someone would have done the same thing back in 69-70, I'm sure the band would have responded appropriately. But would we have songs like IMOER or Little Martha? I don't know, and I'm not going to argue about a past I have no control over.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 05:25 PM
Otie, that was really a rhetorical question. The cemetary is part of the band legend. We know some songs were inspired by events that happened there. There was no logic to my statement. There's not much logic to anything else I say most of the time.

Have a good evening, bud. EAPFP

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 05:51 PM
they didn't have a lot of respect for authority in those days.

So goes the legend. Not a lot of people back then had much respect for the establishment which is different from the respect we're discussion. The people I'm close to say Duane and Berry were very respectful of people and sensitive of their feelings by and large.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 09:07 PM
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I know Heidi Rossi and that doesn't look like her at all. This is Heidi Rossi.


[Edited on 3/22/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


Not a chance of a snowball in hell this was these two peeps.....

Not a chance!!

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 09:40 PM
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If someone would have done the same thing back in 69-70, I'm sure the band would have responded appropriately. But would we have songs like IMOER or Little Martha?



I wasn't going to say any more on the subject because I have pretty much spoken my mind. But that statement that we may not have those songs excuses nothing, IMO. That is faulty logic. And if what I read about the guys is true, they didn't have a lot of respect for authority in those days.

OK, I am done. Peace, Brother Dave.


Actually, Little Martha has nothing to do with anything in Rose Hill, and Dickey used to meet with a married lady in secret. He couldn't use her name, so he used part of a name from a grave where he would sit on the steps, watch the river and trains go by. Rose Hill really is a good place to sit and watch nature go by.
Duane, on a marker? I've never heard anything on that. You must remember that Duane was gone more from Macon than the rest of the band. He really didn't spend much time here. He was busy doing his backup gigs, recording with other artists, and just getting bills paid.

Want a story on Liz Reed? Think of sitting on the steps to the Napier plot, a train is coming from the north into Macon. When in the valley about a mile from Rose Hill the train blows a long note on its' horn, and as it makes the turns the pitch and volume change.
Then think of the long opening mournful notes on IMOER. Pay attention to the pace of the bass line and hear the train clacking over the rails and the organ picking up the echoes of the horn bouncing between the trees.
While sitting there, alone, you feel down without your lady love, then you remember her touch and feel, her smile and laughter, and you don't feel so alone, because as long as you remember her, she is always with you. Get the image.

Now, as far as respect for graves and mauseleums, yes, the photo of the Bond Monument might seem disrespectful, but my feelings on that is where he was standing was an outside wall of the structure much like standing on the coping surrounding many plots.

Now, the guys admit to spending time walking around Rose Hill and admiring the stonework and quite solitude the area offered. Gregg has stated that they did go "bagging" once in a while (brown bag a bottle), but no one has ever admitted to doing drugs at Rose Hill.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 10:16 PM
Please remember that the photos I've posted in the past few days are 'archival'. I pretty much play grab bag and sort them out.
Some are as old as twenty years, and some are as recent as last year.
Check the condition of the lot and growth of the plants to guage when they were taken.

Tonight I'll post just a couple of ones concerning issuse of those who take rubbings.

Dave, this one is way too young for you.



Here's one for the Vaylorettes.



And a few that didn't get away.


 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 10:24 PM
Well, that certainly explains the abundance of crayon marks on the stones.

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 10:37 PM
How beautiful it looks with the hydrangeas in the pot etc...

 

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  posted on 3/22/2007 at 10:51 PM
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How beautiful it looks with the hydrangeas in the pot etc...


Yeah, but they've been stolen, several times.

 

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