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  posted on 3/30/2002 at 10:43 PM
Butch, I was reading in Red Dog's Book of Tails where Duane once said that the ABB was starting a "new religion". Of course, that was the '60's. I was just wondering how strongly this rings true with you today?
 
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  posted on 4/2/2002 at 12:01 PM
I'm not trying to speak for Butch, but I've actually heard him use the religion analogy on a number of occasions- Duane was the leader and they were the apostles, that kind of thing. Now, Butch, please feel free to drop by and answer the question in more depth, ok? Peace. --Marley

 

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  posted on 4/3/2002 at 09:09 AM
You're right bro, Butch on several occasions, such as the VH1 show from 1990, said that Brothers music often "makes for some religious experiences." Duane was the preacher, Berry the deacon, and the other eight people in the early days of the band, the disciples. As Red Dog says in his book, in those days the 10 of them -- the original six and the four roadies -- were "tighter than a gnat's ass over a rain barrel." They all lived, breathed, traveled, and partied for the music, to hit the note (as well as the herb and the rose), and I'm sure that will be heard when the American University CD comes out -- just as it's so much in evidence on the Fillmore East album. [Edited on 4/4/2002 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 4/4/2002 at 02:53 PM
Stephen,
You're right on about the American University album. Make sure to get a copy. Peace. --Marley

 

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  posted on 4/6/2002 at 01:13 PM
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I'm not trying to speak for Butch, but I've actually heard him use the religion analogy on a number of occasions- Duane was the leader and they were the apostles, that kind of thing. Now, Butch, please feel free to drop by and answer the question in more depth, ok? Peace. --Marley


Wish I would've known that when people told me I was crazy for saying he was a prophet. Time will tell, and as the song says "I believe, I believe our time ain't long"...

 

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  posted on 4/12/2002 at 03:34 PM
I have used the analogy and it is my religion (if I have one in the traditional sense). I was raised a Southern Baptist and after growing up and getting away from the brainwashing and seeing the world, reading Carl Sagan and many others and, finally, seeing the new planetarium at the natural history museum in the Apple, the traditional concept of "god" to me is preposterous. What we "KNOW" exists in this universe is so unbelieveably immense that to think that we were "created" by some creature with a plan for us and that if we follow this plan we can have eternal life (that thought scares me to death, what would you do for eternity? Genuflect to some deity?) is absurd to me. I firmly believe that our heavens and our hells are what we create for ourselves with the time that we have between our birth and our death. I know I had a beginning and it is only logical that I (the thing that makes me me) will have an end. I also think that a "religious" experience is that moment when all thought ceases and you become one with youself and what is around you. It is a time when you can't make a mistake. When you are totally connected to those around you. When Duane startred the ABB in one of our first jams (Duane, Dickey, Berry, Jaimoe, myself and Reese Wynans were playing) we "hit the note" for the first time. I had never felt anything so powerful in my life till that time. I went through moments with chills up and down my spine to moments of tears and mostly it was hours (that seemed like seconds) of complete abandonment. It became my religion. It still is. I think those of you that were at the Beacon this year got a glimpse of what Tommy Booth meant when he said "Duane's Band is back." A year ago March there seemed to be no hope of ever achieving this feeling again. I am so happy that that was not true. I am constantly amazed when I walk off the stage after having one of these experiences and realizing that I get "paid" for doing it. I am one lucky dude. I am VERY lucky that I knew Duane Allman. I miss him immenely still.[Edited on 4/12/2002 by Butch Trucks]
 

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  posted on 4/13/2002 at 11:36 AM
how refreshing. i used to sit in the first baptist church in albany, ga at age 8 (long ago) thinking, "these people are crazy."
now before you slash'n'burn me, 'religion' can be useful if used as a vehicle for an individual to improve THEMSELF, but the problem starts when the 'enlightened one' starts telling the rest of us 'here's what's wrong with you.'

i could name someone familar to everyone on this list, who is, i believe, a very devout christian, but you'll never hear it from this person, you know it because this person lives it.

i read all the 'holy books' from time to time for the philosophy and the asthetics, not for magic. i agree with BT (if i get get his message) to try to base things on a jewish folk tale with the theme of obedience (you know the one - don't eat that fruit, or else!), just can't do it.

but that's my opinion and i could be wrong.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2002 at 02:42 PM
Amen to Butch's post. My sentiments exactly. Nice to hear someone else say it!!!
 

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  posted on 5/20/2002 at 02:59 PM
Religious experiences for individuals and the masses can be both good and bad. Butchee, your comment captures your innermost feelings on the subject. I can only speak to my experiences as an avid fan of the ABB. You and your band’s continued efforts has brought me great happiness and a renewed sense of kindness towards how good life can be. Looking forward to seeing the boys in LA in just a few!

 

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  posted on 5/20/2002 at 04:06 PM
Hey Butch - go grab the book "The Case for Faith". My wife has been reading it, and has read some amazing things from it to me.

I used to be more in line with you with religion, but this guy just blew me away.

Also, try the Rama series of books by Arthur C. Clarke. They have a really cool slant on religion, although you have to wait about 1,600 pages through 4 books to get it.

Whether you believe or not, whether he is the son of god or not, Jesus sure had it right - he was and still is the model that people like Duane are based on - peace, love, non-violence, and compassion. For that alone, I recommend some form of Christianity, or another peaceful religion, if only in private, to everyone.

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  posted on 5/20/2002 at 05:43 PM
Not to pick, JoJo, but I think Butch is a rational guy who's come to a rational conclusion. I'm not just saying that because I agree.
In the attempt not to denigrate anyone's opinion, I'll put it this way: there's a perception that people who don't 'have' religion need it. Trust me- not the case. (Saying the only way to peace is religion, also- not quite the case. Again, trying to be polite, but history's not totally with you on that one.)

I've read Clarke's 2001: A Space Odyssey, though, very interesting stuff (even if I prefer the film). Haven't gotten around to the sequels, though.

 

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  posted on 5/20/2002 at 09:38 PM
I was as close as you can get to an athiest for years, and then something just started to tell me there's more out there. Do I think religion is the end all - no. Do I think you need it for peace - certainly not. But it just seems like everything is too perfect to be random. I do think Christ hit the bullseye, and tend to try to follow his ways not because he may or may not have been the son of God, but because they make sense. But then, so do they ways of Gandhi. It's just hard for me to imagine that the world is random - mabye some advanced being is watching us on his desk somewhere - like sea monkeys, and that is God. Who knows? I just have a gut feeling something is out there.

And you know what - my wife read a cool interpretation of why bad things happen so much - God doesn't mess with everything - so what Butch is saying is pretty much right (it's what you do between birth and death that counts) - but God has parameters that he sets the world in motion in, and lets things roll. Every once in a while, he intercedes, like by sending Jesus, but usually he just lets us figure things out for himself. Sort of why I think some being, God or otherwise, way more advanced than us, is in the drivers seat.

One more thing - you know what the book my wife was reading used as an analogy to explain why bad things that happen seem so bad to us - it's like if you find a bear in a leg hold trap - you will have to put them through suffering to get them out, and they won't understand why you are doing it to them - but in the end - they'll be better off - the same as why mabye we are going through what we are now - our suffering may be on the scale of centuries, but in the end, we, as a society, are better off.

Cool stuff - not mandatory to have peace or happiness, but it sure is interesting at the least, and makes a hell of a lot of sense at the most.

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  posted on 5/23/2002 at 05:11 AM
I think the important thing is to make a decision on things like this based on a rational evaluation of facts, not on 1 or 2 "vague" points. There are some things about Christianity (or any other religion) that could turn people off if they are not fully understood. However, there are also some solid grounds and evidence to support Christianity as well if you are willing to honestly investigate it.
 
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