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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 12:12 AM
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my hat is off to you for having the guts and gumption to post these figures.


It doesn't take guts and gumption to do this. None of what we do here takes guts and gumption. We are all tapping on our keyboards, while the people who really have guts and gumption are the ones over there right now, the ones who are wounded, and the ones who came home in the box.


You're right....posting numbers doesn't take the courage it takes these people to just wake up every morning.

[Edited on 2/22/2007 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 12:16 PM
Sure wish we could switch these numbers with the ones in the cookbook thread....

 

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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 12:41 PM
I disagree, Jim, but then I’m not going to make a big deal about it. A definition of the word “gumption” is initiative, and bigann has taken initiative, and she is resourceful.

The word “guts” is more subjective. To my mind, bigann sees the human lives behind these figures, not just those whose lives have been extinguished or ruined, but also those who loved the departed and wounded and must continue living with the grief. To stare at that excruciating loss and pain every day takes guts, in my opinion.

Also, this subject is not too popular here and I think many people would just as soon turn a blind eye. And with a valid reason perhaps, because this is a feel-good music site, although I see the WP forum as a section to display other issues. To post an unpopular subject on this site takes some guts, in my opinion.



 

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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 12:51 PM
February deaths - 69
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,150

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,187
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,659

Mission Accomplished day 1,411

 

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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 02:07 PM
Thanks, Ann. It does take guts to post this, as many in this country (and on this site) consider those who oppose this senseless and illegal war to be unpatriotic, un-American, coddling terrorists, supporters of Saddam Hussein, etc. If everyone blindly followed Bush, Cheney, & Co., like some here do, our way of life would cease to exist in a very short time.

Those who question authority are the true patriots. That was proven in the late 1700s.

One thing I've noticed when reading the reports of the war in the Times-Picayune is that the number of Americans killed to date is very seldom reported, and any American deaths reported are always in the last paragraph of their daily story on the "War in Iraq" page.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 04:27 PM
Ann,

As a veteran I appreciate your posting on this topic. Granted it doesn't take the "guts and gumption" that the men and women who are serving "in harm's way" show every day, but nevertheless, one of the reasons that they (along with all the other veterans who have ever served) is for you as an American to have the right to post this type of information. In your own way, you're showing that they are not forgotten and that you appreciate their sacrifices. God Bless you for doing so.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 05:11 PM
Thank you....and God bless you and all who serve and have served to protect this country.

[Edited on 2/22/2007 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 2/22/2007 at 07:51 PM
For those of you who want to read more:

http://icasualties.org/oif/

 

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  posted on 2/23/2007 at 11:44 AM
February deaths - 73
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,154

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,199
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,671

Mission Accomplished day 1,412





[Edited on 2/24/2007 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 2/23/2007 at 12:27 PM
“Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.”

-St. Augustine

 

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  posted on 2/24/2007 at 12:49 PM
Beautiful quote Bhawk.

February deaths - 73
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,154

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,240
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,712

Mission Accomplished day 1,413

 

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  posted on 2/24/2007 at 03:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bbc49KEU1E



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6384781.stm

 

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  posted on 2/24/2007 at 11:54 PM
Unfortunately war isn't something that brings out the best in people.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2007 at 12:06 AM
“War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say give them all they want.”

- William Tecumseh Sherman

 

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  posted on 2/25/2007 at 02:16 PM
Alas....who exactly is the enemy....that's the question!

February deaths - 74
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,155

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,297
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,769

Mission Accomplished day 1,414



 

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  posted on 2/26/2007 at 11:57 AM
It's a good day....no new Americans reported as killed.....bad day for the Iraqis....103 of them listed as dead.

February deaths - 74
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,155

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,400
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,769

Mission Accomplished day 1,415

 

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  posted on 2/26/2007 at 06:48 PM
Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged)
In America'sWar On Iraq 3,155
http://icasualties.org/oif/

The U.S. War On Iraq Costs
$369,232,548,295

See the cost in your community
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182

 

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Thank you for posting links to those two sites. I couldn't figure out how to do it......very illuminating information people need access to!

 

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  posted on 2/26/2007 at 09:34 PM
It just makes me angry and sad for these young lives lost.
I get a weekly home town newspaper and quite often they
report local soldiers' killed in Iraq. They stare out at us in photos.
They are beautiful and smile proudly in their uniforms. Then they list
the spouses, young children, mothers, fathers left behind.

And it sure does take courage and fortitude and caring to do what Ann is doing here.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2007 at 10:15 PM
What the Flag Draped Coffin Means



Uunderstand what the flag draped coffin really means. Here is how to understand the flag that laid upon it and is surrendered to so many survivors.


Do you know that at military funerals, the 21-gun salute stands for the sum of the numbers in the year 1776?



Have you ever noticed the honor guard pays meticulous attention to correctly folding the United States of America Flag 13 times? You probably thought it was to symbolize the original 13 colonies, but we learn something new every day!

The 1st fold of the flag is a symbol of life.

The 2nd fold is a symbol of the belief in eternal life.

The 3rd fold is made in honor and remembrance of the veterans departing the ranks who gave a portion of their lives for the defense of the country to attain peace throughout the world.

The 4th fold represents the weaker nature, for as American citizens trusting in God, it is to Him we turn in times of peace as well as in time of war for His divine guidance.



The 5th fold is a tribute to the country, for in the words of Stephen Decatur, "Our Country, in dealing with other countries, may she always be right; but it is still our country, right or wrong."



The 6th fold is for where people's hearts lie. It is with their heart that They pledge allegiance to the flag of the United! States Of America, and the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.



The 7th fold is a tribute to its Armed Forces, for it is through the Armed Forces that they protect their country and their flag against all her enemies, whether they be found within or without the boundaries of their republic.



The 8th fold is a tribute to the one who entered into the valley of the shadow of death, that we might see the light of day.



The 9th fold is a tribute to womanhood, and Mothers. For it has been through their faith, their love, loyalty and devotion that the character of the men and women who have made this country great has been molded.



The 10th fold is a tribute to the father, for he, too, has given his sons and daughters for the defense of their country since they were first born.



The 11th fold represents the lower portion of the seal of King David and King Solomon and glorifies in the Hebrews eyes, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.



The 12th fold represents an emblem of eternity and glorifies, in the Christians eyes, God the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit.



The 13th fold, or when the flag is completely folded, the stars are uppermost reminding them of their nations motto, "In God We Trust."

And then as they hand the folded flag to the spouse or family member and say those words "from a grateful nation......................." and the tears begin to flow.................



After the flag is completely folded and tucked in, it takes on the appearance of a cocked hat, ever reminding us of the soldiers who served under General George Washington, and the Sailors and Marines who served under Captain John Paul Jones, who were followed by their comrades and shipmates in the Armed Forces of the United States, preserving for them the rights, privileges and freedoms they enjoy today.

There are some traditions and ways of doing things that have deep meaning. In the future, you'll see flags folded and now you will know why

 

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  posted on 2/26/2007 at 10:25 PM
I also look at the pictures of young fallen soldiers, Ruth...usually dressed in their military finest looking so serious, so committed and I see babies only two or three years older than my oldest granddaughter. I look into pictures of the older fallen soldiers and see weariness and pride in their eyes, and I see my son-in-law who fought at that age in the first gulf war. And I see my daughters in every woman who is fighing and giving their lives for our freedom.

These faces break my heart because they are my family, I see them in the face of my loved ones every day and I selfishly thank God my loved ones are safe. I suppose it's always been the case that babies fight our wars...but I haven't always seen the faces of my children and grandchildren marching to war. They are us and we are their families. How can we not feel diminished by the loss or wounding of each and every one?

[Edited on 2/27/2007 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 2/27/2007 at 12:41 PM
February deaths - 80
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,161

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,449
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,818

Mission Accomplished day 1,415

 

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  posted on 2/27/2007 at 02:12 PM
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WILLIE NELSON CASTS HIS MUSICAL VOTE FOR PEACE
"WHATEVER HAPPENED TO PEACE ON EARTH?" BENEFITS VETERANS

(Los Angeles) American music icon Willie Nelson proves you can oppose war
and also support the troops with his recently released single, "Whatever
Happened To Peace On Earth?" available as an online download, the track
features such Nelson friends as Ben Harper, Jack Johnson, Michael McDonald,
Patrick Simmons of The Doobie Brothers and even Willie's sons Lukas and
Micah Nelson, and proceeds benefit the National Veterans Foundation.

Nelson's commentary on current politics and world affairs was born on
Christmas day in 2003. "I have a son who was born on Christmas," Nelson
explains. But the dual celebration that day was shadowed by the war in Iraq
as well as other military and political conflicts around the globe. "I was
watching TV and the war was going on and the bombs were going off. I said to
my wife, 'There's babies dying and mothers crying.' She said, 'Write that
down.'"

The resulting song asks pointed questions about the Iraq war ("How much oil
is one life worth?") and the political maneuvering that led to the U.S.
invasion and occupation ("How much is a liar's word worth?"), ultimately
wondering: "Is this what God wants us to do?" The single is yet another
effort by Nelson within his ongoing personal commitment to causes that make
the world a better place: His longtime support of American farmers via Farm
Aid, his use and promotion of Bio-Diesel to help protect the environment,
his participation in a number of benefit shows for the victims of Hurricane
Katrina (including one he helped organize in Austin) and his recent adoption
via Habitat for Horses of 22 horses that would otherwise have been
slaughtered, among other activities.

"Whatever Happened To Peace On Earth" can be heard at:
http://main.losthighwayrecords.com/product.aspx?ob=disc&src=art&pid =1713

For more information about the National Veterans Foundation go to:
www.nvf.org


 

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  posted on 2/28/2007 at 11:07 AM
Three more 10th Mountain Division soldiers killed. And no, this is not the same post I made last week. Frightingly similar, however.....


First of Three Fort Drum Soldiers Killed in Iraq ID'ed

Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 10:19am

One of three soldiers from Fort Drum killed Tuesday was a 21 year old from Niagara Falls.

Three soldiers from the 10th Mountain Division were killed in Iraq Tuesday, according to Major General Benjamin Freakley, the commander of the 10th.

Freakley made the announcement Tuesday afternoon at a meeting of the Fort Drum Regional Liason Organization.

None of the three were publicly identified Tuesday, but WGRZ television in Buffalo and newspapers in the region reported Lorne Henry, 21, stationed at Fort Drum, was killed in Iraq Tuesday when a bomb detonated near the truck he was driving.

Henry was due to leave the military in August, a relative said.

Meanwhile, the Associated Press reported Tuesday that three American soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb southwest of Baghdad.

It was not immediately known if the soldiers Freakley referred to were the same soldiers as the ones identified in the Associated Press story.

The AP reported the soldiers were assigned to a unit based in Baghdad and were killed by an improvised explosive device.

The deaths come as U-S and Iraqi forces staged raids in Baghdad's main Shiite militant stronghold as part of politically sensitive forays into areas loyal to the radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

- 7 News staff and Associated Press





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  posted on 2/28/2007 at 11:55 AM
February deaths - 81
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,161

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,504
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,873

Mission Accomplished day 1,416



 

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