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  posted on 2/11/2007 at 08:25 PM
Get down off your so sanctimonious high horse SqTex. And spare me, "I'll be the first to join" rap. Your chest may get hurt from beating in it. The whole point of the excersize of this thread is it make an issue of the numbers of dead in Iraq. Numbers mean nothng unless they are comparable to other numbers. I'ts just like your Big Oil profits whine. A&O's, right? You obviously have a problem with people that make a different point than you have, 'cause you pull this bait & switch line out every time. As I said before, it's not even good hi school debate team stuff. Your MoveOn.Org schtick is getting old. This threads about Numbers of dead, get it?

Ann strives to make an issue of the numbers because to her (& others here) they are unacceptable. She makes a valid point. To others, particularly our Government and those that join the military, they are acceptable. As I posted above it's the military's job to kill & be killed. I hold the value of their dying much higher than someone getting killed by drinking & driving. They volunteer to put themselves in harm's way. They are held in the highest regard. So spare me your 'shait'ing on the military crap.


First of all, tell a family who had to bury a young national guardsman that numbers don't mean anything. And as for 'shait'ing on the military....tell that to my son-in-law who is a disabled vetern from the Gulf War. He believed in what he was doing then....but he doesn't believe in what's being done now. My father was in WW II, my brother served during the Vietnam War and my son-in-law was a career soldier. I would never criticize the military.....but I'll damn sure continue to criticize this war and I'll keep posting the numbers. As I said before...they aren't numbers to me....each one represents real people....and they don't have to be compared to any other numbers to count.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2007 at 11:08 PM
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First of all, tell a family who had to bury a young national guardsman that numbers don't mean anything. And as for 'shait'ing on the military....tell that to my son-in-law who is a disabled vetern from the Gulf War. He believed in what he was doing then....but he doesn't believe in what's being done now. My father was in WW II, my brother served during the Vietnam War and my son-in-law was a career soldier. I would never criticize the military.....but I'll damn sure continue to criticize this war and I'll keep posting the numbers. As I said before...they aren't numbers to me....each one represents real people....and they don't have to be compared to any other numbers to count.



Hey Ann,

Obviously Crossroad doesn't have a clue one about military people when he presumes that those who join the military, accept the numbers of deaths and serious injuries to their fellow servicemen and women that is happening in this war. They don't because to many of these servicemen and women, these are people they know very well, people who they entrust their lives to on a daily bases, and when one of their own is killed or seriously injured it affects them deeply. Guaranteed, Crossroad has never served in the military, because if he had, he would realize just how asinine and completely wrong his presumption about what servicemen and women think about the deaths and serious injuries of any their members. btw, Crossroad just FYI - I am a veteran.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2007 at 11:14 AM
I just received notice over the weekend of my friend's future cousin in-law was killed. Army Ranger, 26 years old, bright young good guy. You might read the article to see his father's reaction. Of course this is merely one person's thought on the whole issue, I', sure families who have lost loved ones have a whole range of feelings/emotions on the subject. My best friend of 25 years just left last week to go to Sadr City with the 1st Infantry 4th Brigade, praying for his safe return.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold0212,0,4991263.story? coll=ny-li-bigpix

 

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I just received notice over the weekend of my friend's future cousin in-law was killed. Army Ranger, 26 years old, bright young good guy. You might read the article to see his father's reaction. Of course this is merely one person's thought on the whole issue, I', sure families who have lost loved ones have a whole range of feelings/emotions on the subject. My best friend of 25 years just left last week to go to Sadr City with the 1st Infantry 4th Brigade, praying for his safe return.

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lisold0212, 0,4991263.story?coll=ny-li-bigpix



Jim, this article needs top be posted, so I'll do it to make sure it is read. Amazing stuff. The only thing missing is some folks on here telling his family that they view it all wrong, that he was wasting his time in an effort that means nothing. That would be impressive.

Here it is,

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Fallen LI soldier a 'friend to everyone'
BY REID J. EPSTEIN
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With an undergraduate degree from Duke, a top LSAT score and a laser-like focus, Jimmy Regan would have succeeded in whatever he wanted to do in life.

Instead of taking a scholarship to law school or a financial services job, Regan followed a calling to the military, where he became an Army Ranger and served two tours of duty in Afghanistan and two in Iraq, family members said.

Regan, 26, was killed in Iraq last week, though no other details of his death have been released, said Jayne Evans, a family spokeswoman. With mourners filling the Regan home in Manhasset yesterday, friends and family fought back tears in describing the young man -- known to family and friends as "Jimmy" or "Reges" -- each of them called their best friend.

After graduating from Duke, Regan turned down a job offer from UBS, a financial services company, and a scholarship to Southern Methodist University's law school to enlist in the Army, where he passed on Officer Candidate School to focus on becoming a Ranger.

"He said, 'If I don't do it, then who will do it?'" said Regan's fiancee, Mary McHugh, a medical student at Emory University who, like scores of others at the Park Avenue house yesterday, wore Regan's high school graduation photo clipped to her shirt. "He recognized it as an option and he couldn't not do it."

Army Sgt. James John Regan was born June 27, 1980, in Rockville Centre. He graduated from Chaminade High School in Mineola, where his lacrosse skills earned him a scholarship to Duke. There, while earning a bachelor's degree in economics, he played midfield on two teams that won conference championships and one that reached the NCAA semifinals.

Regan enlisted in February 2004 and spent three years in the Army, earning a Bronze Star, Purple Heart and several medals marking his service in Iraq and Afghanistan. He went to the Army's language training school and read about the countries he patrolled, but remained humble enough to make his three sisters laugh with a Borat film-character impression or explain the region's centuries-old conflict to his mother, Mary Regan, when he was home for Christmas.

He was "a best friend to everyone he knew," said his youngest sister, Michaela, 16.

Regan's stint in the Army was to end in February 2008, and he and McHugh planned to marry the next month. They were to move to the Chicago area, where her family lives, and he was going to become a social studies teacher and coach lacrosse.

Though Regan died in combat,, his family's support for the Iraq war remains strong. Criticism of it, either in the media or by politicians, serves to undermine the effort, said Regan's father, who is also named James Regan.

"What is written in the papers and what is being politicized out there by our candidates is undermining our service," said James Regan, a senior vice president at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, a Manhattan financial services investment bank.

"These gentlemen that are out there are mission-focused," he said of the troops. "They're trying to do the best job they possibly can. There have been mistakes made, why even list them? ... You cannot put men in the field of battle and then change your mind and go out as a whip-dog. Let the men do their job."

In addition to his parents and sister, Jimmy Regan is survived by two other sisters, Maribeth, 25, of Manhattan and Colleen, 20, of Manhasset. Funeral arrangements were pending. Burial will be in Arlington National Cemetery with full military honors.

The family has established a scholarship fund in his name. Donations should be sent to the Jim Regan Scholarship, c/o Chaminade Development Office, 340 Jackson Ave., Mineola, N.Y. 11501.


Jim, if you could pass on a personal thanks to his people for his service and their service along with him, I'd appreciate it.

So, here is a chance to tell James Reagan why he is wrong when he said the following,

Though Regan died in combat,, his family's support for the Iraq war remains strong. Criticism of it, either in the media or by politicians, serves to undermine the effort, said Regan's father, who is also named James Regan.

"What is written in the papers and what is being politicized out there by our candidates is undermining our service," said James Regan, a senior vice president at Keefe, Bruyette & Woods, a Manhattan financial services investment bank.

"These gentlemen that are out there are mission-focused," he said of the troops. "They're trying to do the best job they possibly can. There have been mistakes made, why even list them? ... You cannot put men in the field of battle and then change your mind and go out as a whip-dog. Let the men do their job."



Ok, you're on - go......................................................................... ..

[Edited on 2/12/2007 by DerekFromCincinnati]

 

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  posted on 2/12/2007 at 12:34 PM
February deaths - 42
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,124

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 641
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802

[Edited on 2/12/2007 by bigann]

 

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  posted on 2/12/2007 at 12:40 PM
The only thing missing is some folks on here telling his family that they view it all wrong, that he was wasting his time in an effort that means nothing. That would be impressive.

No one I know has ever said these brave soldiers are wasting their time....it's only a ploy to be used against people who wish to hold our politicians accountable for sending them off to war with poor planning and lack of adequate equipment. I know it's much easier to blame a protest as implying their 'effort means nothing' than to admit one voted for a government who couldn't successfully oversee a bakesale much less a war.

And one last thing....all this freedom for Iraqi hyperbole.....the original mission was to find WMDs and in case you've forgotten there were none.

 

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  posted on 2/12/2007 at 02:02 PM
Why is James Regan wrong???

 

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  posted on 2/12/2007 at 02:09 PM
Though Regan died in combat,, his family's support for the Iraq war remains strong. Criticism of it, either in the media or by politicians, serves to undermine the effort, said Regan's father, who is also named James Regan.

I never said HE was wrong....he's the father of a fallen soldier. I don't get your point? I don't believe the people who are against this war are undermining anything.....politicians who have mismanaged the debacle already beat us to it.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2007 at 12:19 PM
February deaths - 44
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,125

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 803
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,261

 

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  posted on 2/14/2007 at 01:00 PM
February deaths - 46
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,127

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 834
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,292

 

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  posted on 2/15/2007 at 12:49 PM
February deaths - 51
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,132

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 865
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,323

 

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  posted on 2/16/2007 at 04:32 PM
February deaths - 51
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,132

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 879
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,337

 

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  posted on 2/17/2007 at 12:05 PM
February deaths - 52
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,133

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 909
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,381

 

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  posted on 2/18/2007 at 12:13 PM
February deaths - 54
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,135

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 926
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,396



 

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  posted on 2/19/2007 at 12:27 PM
February deaths - 59
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,140

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 996
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,466

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Dec. 11, 2006: Three years and nine months after the U.S.-led Coalition began its war against Saddam Hussein, researchers have quietly recorded another grim milestone in the cost of the conflict. American military casualties have now exceeded 25,000.

Considering there were only about 150,000 troops sent into Iraq, that means approximately 1 out of every 6 soldiers has been wounded or killed.




 

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  posted on 2/20/2007 at 09:23 PM
February deaths - 66
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,147

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,057
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,527

 

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  posted on 2/20/2007 at 10:32 PM
Ann Thanks for these postings.We need to know.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2007 at 11:06 PM
And thank you for caring enough to read them!

 

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As reported on the CBS affiliate in Watertown, NY this morning, three more 10th Mountain Division soldiers based at Fort Drum, NY, were killed Monday just south of Baghdad. Cause of deaths? IED

Three Fort Drum Soldiers Killed In Iraq

Tuesday, February 20, 2007, 4:28pm

Fort Drum confirmed Tuesday that an improvised explosive device killed three local soldiers in Iraq.

Spokesman Ben Abel told 7 News the troops died Monday in Baghdad.

According to the Department of Defense, the three soldiers were killed and two were wounded when an IED hit a Multinational Division Baghdad security patrol southwest of Baghdad.

Abel said the names of the fallen soldiers would be released after family members were notified.

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How sad. I guess they'll show up in the figures in the next day or two as the listing I receive is usually that far behind. Also, the wounded figures evidentally are updated only periodically. Here's today's somber news:

February deaths - 67
January deaths - 86
Total dead - 3,148

February '07 - 50
January '07 - 631
Total wounded - 33, 814

February Iraqi civilian deaths - 1,107
January Iraqi civilian deaths -1,802
Total Iraqi civilian deaths in past 13 months - 21,577

 

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Hey bigann, my hat is off to you for having the guts and gumption to post these figures. It was people like you who put a halt to the Vietnam War.

I assume your figures are from some “official” source, and for the moment that’s probably most of what we have to go on. It is enough in many ways. However, I’m willing to bet the real figures are higher, possibly MUCH higher. When everything coming out of the sewer-pipe mouths of the neocons is a lie, I wouldn’t expect any honesty over casualty figures.

 

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And now we're gonna send another 20,000

 

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Hey bigann, my hat is off to you for having the guts and gumption to post these figures. It was people like you who put a halt to the Vietnam War.

I assume your figures are from some “official” source, and for the moment that’s probably most of what we have to go on. It is enough in many ways. However, I’m willing to bet the real figures are higher, possibly MUCH higher. When everything coming out of the sewer-pipe mouths of the neocons is a lie, I wouldn’t expect any honesty over casualty figures.



Thank you. Yes, my figures come an 'unofficial' official source. And you're right...American casualties...the wounded to be specific, are so catagorized that it's difficult to get an accurate accounting of the true number of wounded. This, howver is what is posted concerning the Iraqi casualties:

Note: Iraqi deaths based on news reports . This is not a definitive count. Actual totals for Iraqi deaths are higher than the numbers recorded on this site.

By the time I'd found my voice during the Vietnam war, it was almost over....I vowed to never allow this country to go into a similar situation again without being heard. I never said a word about Afghanistan...it was a rightous pursuit of terrorists....Iraq was a bogus and unnecessary attack on a country that never did a thing to our people. It was and is wrong and our troops are being sacrificed on the alter of this administration's personal agendas.

Thank you all for reading each day....the first step to effective protest is enlightenment.

 

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Mission Accomplished...day 1,410

 

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It doesn't take guts and gumption to do this. None of what we do here takes guts and gumption. We are all tapping on our keyboards, while the people who really have guts and gumption are the ones over there right now, the ones who are wounded, and the ones who came home in the box.

 
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