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  posted on 1/29/2007 at 11:47 PM
been listening to and enjoying the spunk of this song forever. other than the obvious gist, i never paid much attention to the lyrics until i looked them up recently. outrageous lyrics written by jagger himself. does anyone know if this song caused any sort of 'stir' when it came out? if it did, i don't remember it, but was fairly young at the time.


gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields
sold in a market down in new orleans
scarred old slaver knows he's doing alright
hear him whip the women just around midnight

ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should

drums beating cold english blood runs hot
lady of the house wonderin' where it's gonna stop
house boy knows that he's doing alright
you should a heard him just around midnight

ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should
ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should

i bet your mama was a tent show queen
and all her girlfriends were sweet sixteen
i'm no school boy but i know what i like
you should have heard me just around midnight

ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should

i said yeah, yeah, yeah, whew
how come you... how come you taste so good?
i said yeah, yeah, yeah, whew
just like a black girl should

 
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  posted on 1/29/2007 at 11:55 PM
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  posted on 1/29/2007 at 11:55 PM
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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 12:10 AM
i remember the andy warhol cover of "sticky fingers" was somewhat controversial but at that time just about every thing the stones did was. remember this was right after altamont when the stones were as big as any band in the world. then again i was only 10 years old so what the hell do i know.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 12:16 AM
I rem. Jagger saying that it was written for backup singer Claudia Lennear ,who I loved back then. She was in (& on the LP) Mad Dogs & Englishmen,& also did a solo LP or two.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 12:58 AM
There was a big deal when Some Girls came out in 78 had the line "Black girls just want to have sex all night"

And on the Weekend Update on SNL Garrett Morris asks "Mick, who are these black girls? Could I get a phone number."

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 01:29 AM
My favorite Brown Sugar:

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 01:55 AM
There was a big deal when Some Girls came out in 78 had the line "Black girls just want to have sex all night"
His next line was "I just don't have that much jam"
Brown Sugar was surely about Mick's discovery and atttraction to black girl's, and it was no big deal, if it was, the top 40 commercial stations would never have played it. And it was no biggie on the street...we all dug black girls too..girls were girls to us.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 04:05 AM
I've never really cared much for the Stones but I always liked that song when I was younger because I have always found black women to be attractive. I never really paid much attention to the lyrics back then but I see it now as very degrading to black women. As a 45 yr old white man who is engaged to a black woman I would personally never care to hear the song again. I'm not an uptight person as it may seem, but my lady and I have never gotten into all the crap about racial stereotypes and reasons why some white men are attracted to black women. We have heard them all and choose not to participate. Don't really know what Jagger was thinking when he wrote it but I guess it was cute at the time.
Snowflake, check out the songfacts.com, pretty embarrassing stuff about the song in my opinion. It seems he wrote for one of Ike Turner's backup singers that he had an affair with. Have no idea why he could have thought that she would be impressed with the lyrics. don't know how much is true but it says the song was written as "Black P......? Guess he can write what he wants.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 04:42 AM
On the other hand, "Brother Louie" by Hot Chocolate, then Stories, is a song that I can totally relate to, while we're on the subject. Its not very deep, but I've been there, still am.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 08:40 AM
I've never really cared much for the Stones but I always liked that song when I was younger because I have always found black women to be attractive. I never really paid much attention to the lyrics back then but I see it now as very degrading to black women.
If you didn't pay attention to the lyrics, how did you know it was about a black girl? You admit you liked the song because you have always found black woman attrattive..that doesn't make sense.
You could like the song then, but now because your older and engaged to a black woman you look at it differently?
Maybe Mick does too, you don't think his outlook has evolved over all these years?
He wrote the song then..you liked the song then, and for the same reasons by your account. That puts you both in the same boat my friend...watch the rock throwing, you could sink yourself.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 08:51 AM
The first thing about "Brown Sugar" that registered with me was the riff and the beat. I've always had more diifficulty deciphering Jagger than Dylan! I can see where the lyrics from "Brown Sugar" could be offensive. Also, "black girls want to have sex all night" - those were not the lyrics on my copy of that album!

You have to keep in mind that lyracists are sometimes writing from the perspective of a third character. I don't think Mick was crackin' a whip in a slave camp, but the "Some Girls" thing might've been closer to where he was from. I don't know. The thing about censorship is that a little goes a long way. When I hear or read something that goes against my perosnal beliefs, I roll my eyes and look the other way.

I haven't cared much for the "Stones since the departure of Mick Taylor.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 08:51 AM
When I heard the song (also when I still hear the song)....
I was digging the groove Richards was creating with that
distinct sound... Jagger and the lyrics were an afterthought...
the meaning of the lyrics even more so.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 09:31 AM
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There was a big deal when Some Girls came out in 78 had the line "Black girls just want to have sex all night"



Actually that isn't exactly correct ... the lyrics in the song on my album said, "Black girls just want to get ****ed all night." I believe that probably cause the stir more so than the term "black girls." The Stones (especially Mick) owe just about everything to Blacks/African Americans. The influence of the Blues permeates just about musical output they've ever produced. I believe the Stones lifted several classic Blues tunes and passed them off as theirs. Never receiving any of the grief some of their English contemporaries i.e. Led Zepplin did who ironically changed the original arrangements around much more than the Stones ever did. Jagger also sired one of his children, Karis, by a Black woman. Tina Tuner taught Mick how to dance ... well at least prance about the stage. And of course there really wouldn't be a Keef or Stones without Chuck Berry. Now would there?

I used to be a huge, huge Stones fan, but lost interest pretty much after Some Girls like so many others. Basically I felt the music has suffered as the Stones appeared to have adopted an irratating "punk" sensability to just about all of their tunes henceforth. Gone is the breath taking guitar work of Mick Taylor, the great keyboard work of Billy Preston and "Stu" Stewart, and the great orchestral arrangements of "Can't Always Get What You Want" and "Gimme Shelter." And it isn't as thugh they don't have the personnel do recreate some of the past masterpieces. Ron Wood and Chuck Level are the most criminally underused talents in the business today. The brilliant work that Ron did with the Faces and Chuck did with the ABB and Sea Level is all but forgotten. IMO it is probably Keith's ego that won't allow anyone else to shine musically in the band. This attitude has prevented the Stones from putting out any meaningful music since. Of course this hasn't affected the success of the Stones in the least as millions of wannabes, never were scenesters, and rich reliving baby boomers have rushed in to pay the exorbitant ticket prices that the Stones continue to ask. And of course Ron and Chuck are laughing all the way to the bank. "Hey we're paid not to play!" Hey maybe it's just sour grapes on my part. Maybe I just miss the time when the Stones actually meant something.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 11:19 AM
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I've never really cared much for the Stones but I always liked that song when I was younger because I have always found black women to be attractive. I never really paid much attention to the lyrics back then but I see it now as very degrading to black women. As a 45 yr old white man who is engaged to a black woman I would personally never care to hear the song again. I'm not an uptight person as it may seem, but my lady and I have never gotten into all the crap about racial stereotypes and reasons why some white men are attracted to black women. We have heard them all and choose not to participate. Don't really know what Jagger was thinking when he wrote it but I guess it was cute at the time.
Snowflake, check out the songfacts.com, pretty embarrassing stuff about the song in my opinion. It seems he wrote for one of Ike Turner's backup singers that he had an affair with. Have no idea why he could have thought that she would be impressed with the lyrics. don't know how much is true but it says the song was written as "Black P......? Guess he can write what he wants.


" It seems he wrote for one of Ike Turner's backup singers that he had an affair with."

Yup..Claudia Lennear

 

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There was a big deal when Some Girls came out in 78 had the line "Black girls just want to have sex all night"



Actually that isn't exactly correct ... the lyrics in the song on my album said, "Black girls just want to get ****ed all night."


Yeah I know, Iwas trying to be polite about it .

I was more intrested in the respnse on SNL

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 02:02 PM
Count me as among those who thought it was a catchy tune, but unclear on the lyrics.
I always thought it was a little hypocritical that there was no verbiage from the politically correct crowd. I could sure understand the lyric, "Sold her in the market down in New Orleans."

 
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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 02:24 PM
Sweet Black Angel ... another song by Rolling Stones written about a particular black woman, Angela Davis.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 02:29 PM
No big fuss at the time.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 02:46 PM
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No big fuss at the time.
More like a sign of the times...John and Yoko had a tune about her, also.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 02:49 PM
I like ZZ Top's version of Brown Sugar better...check out their first album
 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 07:19 PM
I remember Jonathon Schwartz (sp?) from the old WNEW said the song had to grow on you - so he played it like 5 times in a row on the air

 

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  posted on 1/30/2007 at 09:43 PM
brown sugar was recorded in '69 with jimmy johnson et al at the muscle shoals sound studios (old casket factory).
 

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  posted on 1/31/2007 at 07:47 AM
Look up the original title for this song, a different color, and a different "sweet thang" was what Jagger was referring to, and the logo for RS Records should leave nothing to the imagination. IIRC, Jagger changed it to mollify Atlantic and Ertegun. And, the song Starf***** really got Ertegun up in arms.

By the way, in the leadup to the 2004 campaign, Kerry was asked what his favorite song was, and apparently he had not read the lyrics as he reported "Brown Sugar"....one wonders if Ketchup Queen Theresa was pleased to hear that

 

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  posted on 1/31/2007 at 08:56 AM
love the song.......do remember some got upset with the album,that song just a part of a fairly minor non uproar.......

 

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