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  posted on 1/27/2007 at 09:31 AM
I have two questions and would be interested to know if anyone knows the answers:
1) Why is Allan Woody so frequently turned down in th mix? and seperately
2) I was just listening to 7/23/94 (thanks again Greg's Woman!) and Dickey introduces the tune as "This song's from Arizona. An old friend of ours gave it to us."
!!!!I always thought Dickey had written the song! Not that it really matters that much, but I was very surprised to hear that. Anyone know the story on that?
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  posted on 1/27/2007 at 11:16 AM
"This song's from Arizona. An old friend of ours gave it to us."
One of Dickey's good friends whom was a native american, told him the story and Indian belief/folklore about how your life is made up of seven turns. I believe I have a tape somewhere of a Dickey show where he tells the story behind the song, If I find it, I'll post a link to it.



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  posted on 1/27/2007 at 11:25 AM
1) Why is Allan Woody so frequently turned down in the mix?
i assume you mean on live tapes from the 90's, and if thats the case, its because woody's bass rig stage volume was so loud that to balance the mix in the house, bud snyder, the sound man, had to roll woody out of the pa mix. there are also soundboard tapes that have very little dickey in them too for the same reason. it was during the mid 90's that the sound crew started to add a couple of house mic tracks to blend in the pa sound and the stage sound so that the board tapes were more pleasant and accurate to listen to. the instant live tapes the band makes today have 4-6 mics mixed in with the soundboard mix.
2) the question about 7 turns and dickey referring to getting the song from someone.
dickey was referring to stuart etssity, a navaho medicine man who was a guide and teacher to dickey in betts' quest for spirtual enlightenment and understanding of native american rituals and beliefs. stuart would often tour with the band in the early 90's and would talk about the native concept that there are 7 critical junctures or choices to face in life and that is what dickey was referring to with the lyrics. stuart was an old and wise man who lived on a reservation in northeast arizona until he died the week after joe dan petty died in january 2000. he would travel on dickeys bus and they would stay up all night talking for days on end. he would perform ceremonies and songs and prayers with the band back stage on show days and days off. stuart and has wife clara and several of his kids and grandchildren appear in the 7 turns video in the scenes of the dancing and singin of the native americans thru out the ending of the video. hope that answers you questions.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2007 at 11:41 AM
Wow. That was fast and informative!
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  posted on 1/27/2007 at 11:42 AM
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I have two questions and would be interested to know if anyone knows the answers:
1) Why is Allan Woody so frequently turned down in th mix? and seperately
2) I was just listening to 7/23/94 (thanks again Greg's Woman!) and Dickey introduces the tune as "This song's from Arizona. An old friend of ours gave it to us."
!!!!I always thought Dickey had written the song! Not that it really matters that much, but I was very surprised to hear that. Anyone know the story on that?
Thanks


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Any other photos around from that time? It's interesting to learn about it, you know, if you weren't around then.


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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 01:55 AM
As far as Woody goes. i saw many shows and I could always hear him fine.

Now at Mule shows, he used to put me through the walls of the clubs. Damn those shows were loud.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 02:25 AM
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As far as Woody goes. i saw many shows and I could always hear him fine.

Now at Mule shows, he used to put me through the walls of the clubs. Damn those shows were loud.



I've never FELT bass like that before or since. Completely rattled my whole body. Truly amazing experiences. RIP Woody. Miss you, brotha.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 02:30 AM
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As far as Woody goes. i saw many shows and I could always hear him fine.

Now at Mule shows, he used to put me through the walls of the clubs. Damn those shows were loud.



I've never FELT bass like that before or since. Completely rattled my whole body. Truly amazing experiences. RIP Woody. Miss you, brotha.


Agree completely. League of his own. I love Govt Mule but it has never been the same since. Nor would one expect it to be.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 02:59 AM
makese me think of the day of old orchard beach,when the band first got back together,so relaxed,RIP woody
 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 06:58 AM
Allen Woody could put you through the walls of a club without even having to plug the bass into the amp, thats how powerful a player he was (is).
 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 10:03 AM
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Allen Woody could put you through the walls of a club without even having to plug the bass into the amp, thats how powerful a player he was (is).


that pretty well sums it up.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 10:20 AM
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As far as Woody goes. i saw many shows and I could always hear him fine.

Now at Mule shows, he used to put me through the walls of the clubs. Damn those shows were loud.


The first time Govt Mule came to Louisville they played at the Phoenix Hill Tavern. The walls in there are covered with knick knacks hanging from them. After the first song Woody says something like " have we knocked the sh!t off the walls yet?".

When Mule came to town this fall they had a goody bag that they were giving to college students with an ID. I wanted the beer can huggie but couldn't get one. I asked the merch guy "What about us old guys that were physically assualted by Woody and Matt Abts? Can't we have something?"

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 11:05 AM
Wow, what a great thread. Two different subject matters getting addressed
and both got very informative replies. Very interesting indeed!!!

 

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  posted on 1/28/2007 at 10:48 PM
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Allen Woody could put you through the walls of a club without even having to plug the bass into the amp, thats how powerful a player he was (is).


Just the sound of his walking could split the whole damm town in two.

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  posted on 1/31/2007 at 10:27 AM
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1) Why is Allan Woody so frequently turned down in the mix?
i assume you mean on live tapes from the 90's, and if thats the case, its because woody's bass rig stage volume was so loud that to balance the mix in the house, bud snyder, the sound man, had to roll woody out of the pa mix. there are also soundboard tapes that have very little dickey in them too for the same reason. it was during the mid 90's that the sound crew started to add a couple of house mic tracks to blend in the pa sound and the stage sound so that the board tapes were more pleasant and accurate to listen to. the instant live tapes the band makes today have 4-6 mics mixed in with the soundboard mix.
2) the question about 7 turns and dickey referring to getting the song from someone.
dickey was referring to stuart etssity, a navaho medicine man who was a guide and teacher to dickey in betts' quest for spirtual enlightenment and understanding of native american rituals and beliefs. stuart would often tour with the band in the early 90's and would talk about the native concept that there are 7 critical junctures or choices to face in life and that is what dickey was referring to with the lyrics. stuart was an old and wise man who lived on a reservation in northeast arizona until he died the week after joe dan petty died in january 2000. he would travel on dickeys bus and they would stay up all night talking for days on end. he would perform ceremonies and songs and prayers with the band back stage on show days and days off. stuart and has wife clara and several of his kids and grandchildren appear in the 7 turns video in the scenes of the dancing and singin of the native americans thru out the ending of the video. hope that answers you questions.



 

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  posted on 1/31/2007 at 11:06 AM
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2) the question about 7 turns and dickey referring to getting the song from someone.
dickey was referring to stuart etssity, a navaho medicine man who was a guide and teacher to dickey in betts' quest for spirtual enlightenment and understanding of native american rituals and beliefs. stuart was an old and wise man who lived on a reservation in northeast arizona until he died the week after joe dan petty died in january 2000.


I think I may have met him once in '85. I was passing through the Navajo reservation in Arizona, made several stops along the way and met several people. One, and older gent I was told was the medicine man. Don't know if he was the same man referred to above or if there was more than one. I remember him being very quiet and dignified. Intriguing and fascinating for sure. I vaguely remember his face at this point, but have never seen Dickey's friend, so don't know if it's the same guy.

 

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  posted on 2/1/2007 at 12:07 AM
Wow. Warren and Woody. (Thanks for starting me on this Greggswoman.)













Oh yeah, and axeman to for starting the thread.



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