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  posted on 1/24/2007 at 08:49 AM
Got the 'ol High def tv/satellite for Christmas...been enjoying it too! Last night on this channel called 'rave' that just shows concerts/music..had Dave Matthews Band from central park. At one point, out comes warren haynes and plays a solo on one song. Made me realize several things:
1. Warren Haynes is a badass
2. Stephan Lessard (sp?) is also a badass
3. I hate what Dave Matthews has turned into
4. in the high def video, I could see the oxidation on the metal pickup covers on warrens Les Paul. Probably as close to touching it as I will ever get, but on the 50" sony...it looked badass.

Did anyone else catch it, or seen it, or had the High definition epiphany? Just curious.

 
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  posted on 1/24/2007 at 11:27 AM
i bought the dvd just for those two songs that warren plays on. i used to really enjoy the dmb back in the early 90s, but won't go to their shows now. but warren really likes them and they are phenomenal musicians.
 

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  posted on 1/24/2007 at 11:39 AM
I love the DMB, but I hate Stephan Lessard - they could have a much better bassist and make the band so much better. Think about it, what if Victor Wooten (a friend of the band) played with them, are you telling me they wouldn't be one of the funkiest, best bands around? I mean, I love the band the way it is, but if they have one weak link, it's Stephan.

 

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  posted on 1/24/2007 at 11:53 AM
imo... Bela Fleck and the Flecktones is a better band... and I would hope Victor stays there...

I like DMB in the early-mid 90's... but they lost direction for me.

 

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  posted on 1/24/2007 at 01:47 PM
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love the DMB, but I hate Stephan Lessard - they could have a much better bassist and make the band so much better. Think about it, what if Victor Wooten (a friend of the band) played with them, are you telling me they wouldn't be one of the funkiest, best bands around? I mean, I love the band the way it is, but if they have one weak link, it's Stephan.


Can't agree with this one. I can't really stomach DMB because of DM. Can't stand his quirky voice. I always thought the song-writing was good during the early years and has since dropped off considerably. Drummer is amazing. Lessard is a VERY solid bass player, all that the band needs. If they added Vic Wooten, the band would be a rhythm section freak show. Too funky to have room for Dave to wail like a dying cat...maybe a good thing.....Anyhow, I think the fiddle/horn players are completely replaceable. There is nothing remarkable about them at all. Not bad players, just nothing special. I think they are still around because Dave is probably a good guy and he's staying loyal to his buds that were with him from the start.
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  posted on 1/24/2007 at 01:50 PM
I think the Dave Matthews Band is excellent. Very tight and talented band. I was at the Central Park show and it was an awesome experience. I always wanted to experience a concert on the great lawn and it didn't dissapoint. When Warren came out I was one happy camper, and the blistering version of Cortez the Killer they did was freakin legendary. The DVD of this show is awesome. Very well shot and mixed. The only thing that marred this great show was that I missed the first third of the show standing on a line that had to be literally three miles long. We could hear the music on line but it was just a major hassle. Never got to a show two hours early and missed part of the show. We got on line two hours before showtime and didn't get in until about forty minutes into the show. Having a chronic back problem it turned out to be quite a painful night and I don't think I could do it again. That's why I have to skip things like Wanee. It's just to much for me to physically handle at this point.

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  posted on 1/26/2007 at 12:56 AM
I've seen the dvd and it kicks maximum amounts of @ss. I agree, Warren is a bad@ss. Stefan is really good and I think fits the band perfectly but, bad@ss, I don't know.

I gotta ask, what has Dave turned into?

I think if Victor was in the band it would be funk overkill.

I do get a little tired of Boyd's long @ss violin solos but Leroi Moore on saxaphone is the sh*t.
If you get a chance check out Leroi's solo on the begining of the song Seek Up on live at the Gorge September 8th 2002. Holy m#th@rf#ck*ng sh*t f#ck! They released it on a 3 night run 6 cd package or a 2 cd best of with 1 dvd package. It's on the dvd and on audio in the 6 cd thing. If you see this performance or hear it, let me know if you still think he's replaceable.

 

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  posted on 1/26/2007 at 08:22 AM
I've always said that the one thing missing from the DMB is a kick ass soloist. By themselves, their songs stretch out too far, the soloing is not good enough to carry the song on their jams, and ultimately the show becomes boring and repetitive. The best part of the DMB shows that I've seen, is when Warren came out and soloed with them. He is a badass soloist and really makes the band ten times better.


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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 01:22 AM
Don't really post here too much, but just thought i'd give my opinion. As you can tell from the username, i'm a dmb fan, and a pretty big one at that. I think it's been said that you either love the band or hate them and there really isn't an in between. There's such great chemistry between Carter, Butch, Stefan, Dave, Roi, and Boyd. Carter can play off anyone (as the CP DVD shows, especially during Warren's Jimi Thing solo). Probably one of the greatest drummers i've ever seen in my time, but I wouldn't say the greatest of all time. He to me is the guy that holds this band together and that if it weren't for him, this band would not be where it is today. He has his own style which is very different from a lot of other drummers and is just one of the many reasons this band is so unique.
 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 01:34 AM
Dave is guest-starring as a patient on House tonight (Tues 8 CST). I couldn't tell from the one commercial I saw whether he's starring as himself or as, you know, just a fictitious character with whatever fictitious name.

. . . Here we go, from my Fox station's online program guide:

House
"Half-wit" (New) 03/06/2007 8:00 PM, 1 hr

Dave Matthews guest stars as a 35-year-old savant whose hand constricts during a piano recital. As the patient's condition quickly deteriorates at the hospital, House makes plans (unannounced, of course) to go to Boston. The doc has also been furtively ordering blood tests for a patient named Luke N. Laura. Dr. Obyedkov: Kurtwood Smith.

Cast & Credits: Hugh Laurie, Lisa Edelstein, Robert Sean Leonard, Jennifer Morrison, Omar Epps
Drama/Other
TV14 (Strong Coarse Language), English, 2007

 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 08:43 AM
I was at the DBM show last summer at Randall's Island. I used to like the DMB in the mid 90's but don't care for them much any longer, and haven't seen them since a show at MSG in '96 (which kind of turned me off to them - didn't like the vibe from the band or the crowd that night). I went to the Randall's Island show because my wife loves the DMB and her friend, who also loves DBM, bought extra tickets so we could go. That catch to dragging me along was Gov't Mule was one of the opening bands (along with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones who I also like). So, along I went.

It was a pretty nice August day, sunny and not too hot. We were in the GA area of the lawn, very far away from the stage and it was difficult to see the stage from that distance, but there were delay towers set up at the edge of the seating area, so the sound was good. There were also several video boards which were used after the sun went down. The Flecktones and Mule each had an hour set, and both were "on" that day and were very good (especially Gov't Mule - I highly recommend the Mule Tracks from this show, 8/5/06. Even though it's only one disc, it won't disappoint.)

So, DMB takes the stage. I forget the song they opened with, but it wasn't bad, pretty good improv and al. Then they played a song I dread - Crash Into Me - and all the girls and teeny boppers start screeching, ugh...this reminded me of why I lost interest in them - they've become a chick band! Anyway, as the show goes along, things get better - they played a surprisingly good version of What Would You Say?, nice jazzy improv and I start getting into the groove a little. A while later, Warren takes the stage, and I wonder if they'll dare play Cortez the Killer again? Much to my delight, they do, and although I don't have a recording of the show, my memory of it is that not only was it longer than the Central Park version from a few years back, it was even more intense, Warren's solos were dark, intense and manic in their intensity! Great stuff! Sadly, not all of the DMB fans were appreciative. Many didn't even know who Warren was (and were still in the parking lot during his opening set) and and didn't like his presence in the mix.

After that, I was ready beat the traffic, but my wife and her freinds would have no such thing. The DMB soldiered on into the late night, and still performed some pretty good music, including an extended jam with all of the Flecktones (I think it was during Ants Marching.) Bela's banjo was a remarkable addition to the DMB's sound, they ought to collaborate more often.

My overall take on the experience was I heard a lot of great music that day, including the DMB surpassing my expectations (chick songs and all...they're still very good musicians and can perform at a high level when inspired) but the crowd was very lame, nothing at all like when one is attending an ABB or GD related show. The people there were very rude and not at all conscientious of others. There was no feeling of brotherhood at all. As for the Sephan Lessard debate stated above - he's a talented musician no doubt, but I don't dig his personality. He comes of as a bit of a poser, always mugging for the crowd of camera when it in front of him (even my wife is with me on this - she has a couple of DMB DVD's and cringes when he make some of his facial expressions when the camera is on him.)

If my wife tries to bring me to another DMB show with Gov't Mule opening, I'll agree only if we can have seats. I'll only sit on the lawn with an ABB or related crowd.

[Edited on 3/6/2007 by darkstarlarry]

 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 09:49 AM
I saw Dave Matthews at this past years Xmas Jam. It was his acoustic thing. It just about put everyone asleep, of course it was around 2am. Then Warren joined him on stage for a couple of songs. When Dave played with Warren I liked him. They broke in Cortez the Killer. AND KILLER IT WAS.....................................The other Mule members snuk out on stage and the place went ...................................NUTS........................




watch Matt slide in behind his drum kit. It caught everyone by surprise.




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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 10:42 AM
DMB puts me to sleep,monotonous, needs a guitar player and needs some Oomph in his songs Warren on the other hand knows how to rock and Roll...love the guy

 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 10:59 AM
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I was at the DBM show last summer at Randall's Island. I used to like the DMB in the mid 90's but don't care for them much any longer, and haven't seen them since a show at MSG in '96 (which kind of turned me off to them - didn't like the vibe from the band or the crowd that night). I went to the Randall's Island show because my wife loves the DMB and her friend, who also loves DBM, bought extra tickets so we could go. That catch to dragging me along was Gov't Mule was one of the opening bands (along with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones who I also like). So, along I went.

It was a pretty nice August day, sunny and not too hot. We were in the GA area of the lawn, very far away from the stage and it was difficult to see the stage from that distance, but there were delay towers set up at the edge of the seating area, so the sound was good. There were also several video boards which were used after the sun went down. The Flecktones and Mule each had an hour set, and both were "on" that day and were very good (especially Gov't Mule - I highly recommend the Mule Tracks from this show, 8/5/06. Even though it's only one disc, it won't disappoint.)

So, DMB takes the stage. I forget the song they opened with, but it wasn't bad, pretty good improv and al. Then they played a song I dread - Crash Into Me - and all the girls and teeny boppers start screeching, ugh...this reminded me of why I lost interest in them - they've become a chick band! Anyway, as the show goes along, things get better - they played a surprisingly good version of What Would You Say?, nice jazzy improv and I start getting into the groove a little. A while later, Warren takes the stage, and I wonder if they'll dare play Cortez the Killer again? Much to my delight, they do, and although I don't have a recording of the show, my memory of it is that not only was it longer than the Central Park version from a few years back, it was even more intense, Warren's solos were dark, intense and manic in their intensity! Great stuff! Sadly, not all of the DMB fans were appreciative. Many didn't even know who Warren was (and were still in the parking lot during his opening set) and and didn't like his presence in the mix.

After that, I was ready beat the traffic, but my wife and her freinds would have no such thing. The DMB soldiered on into the late night, and still performed some pretty good music, including an extended jam with all of the Flecktones (I think it was during Ants Marching.) Bela's banjo was a remarkable addition to the DMB's sound, they ought to collaborate more often.

My overall take on the experience was I heard a lot of great music that day, including the DMB surpassing my expectations (chick songs and all...they're still very good musicians and can perform at a high level when inspired) but the crowd was very lame, nothing at all like when one is attending an ABB or GD related show. The people there were very rude and not at all conscientious of others. There was no feeling of brotherhood at all. As for the Sephan Lessard debate stated above - he's a talented musician no doubt, but I don't dig his personality. He comes of as a bit of a poser, always mugging for the crowd of camera when it in front of him (even my wife is with me on this - she has a couple of DMB DVD's and cringes when he make some of his facial expressions when the camera is on him.)

If my wife tries to bring me to another DMB show with Gov't Mule opening, I'll agree only if we can have seats. I'll only sit on the lawn with an ABB or related crowd.

[Edited on 3/6/2007 by darkstarlarry]


I was at this show too. I have a recording if you would like. The Cortez was about 18 minutes long, so it was a bit longer than Central Park. That #41 with the Flecktones was sick, and then went right into Ants with the snare intro. As soon as I heard the Flecktones were one of the opening bands for the Randall's shows, all I wanted to hear was #41 with them, so it was a great treat to get to hear it.

 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 11:45 AM
I know Dave will always draw a lot of criticism. It took me a while to warm up to his music, but when I did and dug deep into it, it makes me realize he is the real deal. His shows are inconsistent, but this past year has been very good. Caught a great show at Shoreline, this past year. Check out his live from Fenway, from the past year, you can get it thru his website (Warehouse, or something like that). It is outstanding. I agree an out front soloist could help, but not in every song. Bring a Warren, Trey or Tim Reynolds out once in a while. For those that want to write Dave off, for the audience or fame factor, I'd say give him a chance a really listen to the music. I've heard others critcize WSP for the same reasons, yet they are also a very valid band, with great chemistry.
 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 11:57 AM
The best thing said was, "I hate what Dave has turned into"

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 12:14 PM
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I was at this show too. I have a recording if you would like. The Cortez was about 18 minutes long, so it was a bit longer than Central Park. That #41 with the Flecktones was sick, and then went right into Ants with the snare intro. As soon as I heard the Flecktones were one of the opening bands for the Randall's shows, all I wanted to hear was #41 with them, so it was a great treat to get to hear it.



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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 04:20 PM
I went to both Dave shows at Randall's last summer, and they were incredible. Not only was the DMB on both nights, but Mule was awesome night 1, and Tea Leaf Green, Yonder Mountain, and Bela were incredible both nights. Here is the Mule setlist from N1 and the DMB setlists for both nights. If anyone wants a copy of either DMB show, I have them and can do a B&P.

Govít Mule 8/05/06 (Randallís Island)

Blind Man In The Dark
Unring The Bell
Slackjaw Jezebel
Beautifully Broken
Iíll Be The One
Time To Confess
Thorazine Shuffle
Soulshine

Dave Matthews Band 8/05/06 (Randallís Island)

One Sweet World 1
Crash Into Me
Grey Street 1
The Idea Of You 1
Hunger For The Great Light 1
Pig 1
What Would You Say
So Right 1
Cortez The Killer 2
Dancing Nancies 1 >
Warehouse 1,3
Cant Stop
Rhyme & Reason 1
#41 1,4
Ants Marching 1,4

Encore

Sister
Smooth Rider 1
Stay 1

1 w/ Rashawn Ross
2 w/ Warren Haynes
3 w/ Tim Wicks
4 w/ Bela Fleck and the Flecktones

Dave Matthews Band 8/06/06 (Randallís Island)

Everyday 1
Pantala Naga Pampa 1 >
Rapunzel 1
Say Goodbye
When The World Ends 1
So Much To Say 1 >
Anyone Seen The Bridge 1 >
Too Much 1
Sleep To Dream Her 1
Break Free 1
Lie In Our Graves 1, 2
The Last Stop 1
Canít Stop
Crush 1
Jimi Thing 1, 3
Louisiana Bayou 1

Encore

Steady As We Go 1
Tripping Billies 1

1 w/ Rashawn Ross
2 w/ Bela Fleck
3 w/ Bela Fleck and the Flecktones

 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 05:36 PM
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I've always said that the one thing missing from the DMB is a kick ass soloist. By themselves, their songs stretch out too far, the soloing is not good enough to carry the song on their jams, and ultimately the show becomes boring and repetitive. The best part of the DMB shows that I've seen, is when Warren came out and soloed with them. He is a badass soloist and really makes the band ten times better.


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I saw Dave Matthews at this past years Xmas Jam. It was his acoustic thing. It just about put everyone asleep, of course it was around 2am. Then Warren joined him on stage for a couple of songs. When Dave played with Warren I liked him. They broke in Cortez the Killer. AND KILLER IT WAS.....................................The other Mule members snuk out on stage and the place went ...................................NUTS........................




watch Matt slide in behind his drum kit. It caught everyone by surprise.




[Edited on 3/6/2007 by rottinpeach]


I was there as well. It went on for at least 1.5 hours more, so it was probably closer to 12:45AM. But that's beside the point. I disagree w/your contention that the crowd was put to sleep. On the contrary, most (on the floor at least) seemed to rush the stage and hang on his every word. It was quiet; people were listening. I thought he captured people's undivided attention (yes, when he was solo up there) much like Ray Lamontagne (sp?) did the year before. (or was that 2 years ago?) I'm not into him solo, and his band is above average in my book. Just saying, not defending, just seemed to me that people dug it. Let's not forget this Jam sold out faster than ever and I will confidently say that was b/c of DM. And yes, of course when Warren>Mule came out it was ROCKING!!!

 

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  posted on 3/6/2007 at 06:13 PM
Dave Matthews was indeed well received at the 06 Christmas Jam and most of his fans stayed for MULE and to the end of the show. Dave was also enjoyed at Farm Aid and his presence was probably responsible for 50-60 % of the 20,000 attendees at that event.

Just mentioning that because Dave is a great friend/supporter of Warren/Mule and Dave's fans have showed tremendous respect and appreciation for Warren and Mule in my experience at both events.

While the DMB may not be as hard as Gov't Mule, I like a lot of what they offer and I personally liked Dave's solo stuff enough to want to buy his cd.

 

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