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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 07:40 AM
when is was younger around 7-15 years old Kiss was my fave band..Many things have changed since then.I discovered the music from the sixties and bands like Grateful dead,allman brothers etc..and that music will always be my favorite music..but i still think Kiss was great live band between 74-77 and albums like Alive,destroyer,dressed to kill etc is full of energy and good songs..i think they where a great live band musically and Paul Stanley was and still is a hell of singer and Ace Frehleys solos was great with so much melody and sometimes very bluesy..whta do you folks think of early Kiss??good or bad?

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 08:52 AM
The early albums were much better. a few decent rock tunes but still not my thing really. The best album is Destroyer where Bob Ezrin refused to use Peter and Ace. So I guess that says two things.

1) Kiss was better with studio musicians filling in.

2) Bob Ezrin had real good insight about Ace and Peter's skills.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 09:02 AM
ok man.but listen to alive and the first 3 albums where ace and peter is playing..much better than those studio cats on destroyer

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 09:13 AM
Actually very little of the "Alive" record was actually live. Mostly studio overdubs and who is to say that it is Ace or Peter.

I have seen Kiss many times. Much better band with Bruce and Eric playing with them Shame Kiss brought back the other two just for the money. But that is all Kiss is about. Money. At least they openly admit it.

I saw Peter play in a club and it was horrible. Booed off the stage that night. And he was the headliner. He played 1/2 hour and then they brought out the opener again. (Local bar band)

He can't keep time at all.

Seen Ace solo also and it was sad.

The last show I saw Kiss before they got rid of Peter and Ace (again) was real bad. Sampled music all over the place. Ace even stopped pretending to do the solos. It was sad. improved slightly when they canned Ace and brought Eric Singer back. Didn't take long for Ace to go either. Psyco Circus was a bad album and they used session guys all over that also.

Paul is a smart man. Hired the RockStar : Supernova House band as his touring band. Will sound much better than Kiss.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 09:54 AM
i gotta respond to that man..really..if you look at early video concerts from 74-77 you know its not any overdubs live and if you look and listen to kiss live from detroit 76 on dvd or any other shows from that peak era you know its peter and ace who is playing and in the 70ties they where a tight band and peter and ace where solid musicans..i agree that in the 90ties peter and ace have lost the spark on some shows but back in the days they where good..

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 10:12 AM
I used to love Kiss "back in the day" but Peter has allways been a horrific drummer, and Ace is just a little better then adequate.

I saw Ace solo a few times. He did have a few good shows ( when he was sober)
The last time I saw him, he was completely HAMMERED. Could barely play, and his singing sounded like someone was stepping on a cat.

Never again.

I prefer the Kulick/ Singer lineup as well.

Revenge frigging ROCKED.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 10:23 AM
I don't claim that they never played. But they were very inconsistant and not as tight as you may remember. Both players keep it simple and Ace influenced many players. So they deserve some credit. The early albums were the best I agree. but gene and Paul wrote over 95% of the songs. Ace (like Harrison) got his one song per album and I usually enjoy those musically but the lyrics? Still decent songs.

The Kiss "Alive" record was definitely fixed up to a great degree in the studio. Ace's "bum" notes, singing, drum parts were all touched up. Which was very common then and now. (Frampton Comes Alive should be Frampton Enters The Studio)
The band admits all of this fully. If you see Ace, 'bum" notes are not uncommon. Doesn't bother me. The odd "bum" note is Rock and Roll but he hardly plays as consistant and in tune as on that Alive record.

The drugs/alcohol did not help any.

As for those reunion tours, the samples increased as the tours progressed and the playing got worse. again Gene and Paul will not deny any of that.

Again the best players ever in Kiss were Bruce Kulick and Eric Singer. The Unholy Tour before that MTV reunion were the best Kiss shows musically I have ever seen. And I saw ever tour in between and multiple shows of many.

Maybe Bruce's guitar didn't smoke and he had no makeup but he let his fingers do the smoking. He was in the band longer than Ace was originally so to let him and Eric go so that they could bring back two inferior players in makeup was just sad and greedy.

It was always about money before that but once they reunited then Gene's greed really surfaced. I admire his business savy but musically I lost any respect I ever had for them. it is the equal of a sports team bring back some athlete from 30 years ago and replacing their current stars with them. They would lose every night without a doubt. So did Kiss but they didn't care as long as the crowds were bigger and the merchandise dollars were rolling in. It took on a wrestling flair.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 10:23 AM
A band you had to see live.(4-5 times for me) I remember those chest busting explosions/pyro technics. I think is was on the Firehouse song they would almost blow up the place.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 10:27 AM
what about Paul and Gene then?i think paul is a very good singer..one of the best..he can sing everything..he got a wide range..decent guitar player also..and gene..hmm..he has a great voice i think a decent bass player..

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 10:39 AM
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I saw Peter play in a club and it was horrible. Booed off the stage that night. And he was the headliner. He played 1/2 hour and then they brought out the opener again. (Local bar band)

He can't keep time at all.


Maybe Beth was calling, & he had to get home?

I still remember Kiss meets the Phantom-lol. I also remember Gene Simmons being very creepy on the cover of Alive II.

Anybody have those Kiss mego dolls when they were a kid? lol

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 10:42 AM
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Anybody have those Kiss mego dolls when they were a kid? lol


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And the lunchbox

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 11:06 AM
I sold some Kiss promo stuff years ago. Was happy to make a few bucks. Should have held on. Could have got more now. The original comic book printed with their own blood. LOL. A vial each for a million comics. Too funny.

The little Love Gun that went POW or Bang.

After I saw someone buy a Kisstory book at a show for approximately $250, I realized that you could sell collector's anything for outrageous prices.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 11:36 AM
KISS is STILL my favorite band, all these years later..............I became a fan in 1989, well after the makeup and glitz of the 1970's, discovered all that stuff later. For me, it's ALWAYS been about the tunes, to HELL with the image, if the tunes aren't there, there is no image in the world that's gonna save you........My KISS is the Revenge era KISS as well, as I think Bruce and Eric ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also thin the Reunion was born of the desperation and frustration of trying to stay relevant and failing, giving up the illusion that you were ever an artist and capitalize on the past.......UGH!!!!!!!
 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 12:31 PM
Kiss was the band that first attracted me to rock music as a 12 year old. My musical taste is quite different now, but I still get in the mood now and then to indulge in some good old fashioned Heavy Metal. Stuff like Kiss, Judas Preist, Iron Maiden, AC/DC, Dio, and Ozzy usually help those cravings.

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 12:51 PM


Heard these things go for money now-go figure.

These guys, well, essentially Gene Simmons & Paul Stanley are shrewd business men. In a business where people getting screwed is the norm, they totally reversed roles & screw people instead. Considering they were largely fogotten in the large part of the 80's & up, I have to say they certainly know how to survive the music business.

Their music is another story. It's nostalgic to a large degree-kind of like looking through a high school year book. More or less, for better or worse, they were a large part of the mid 70's rock & roll culture, so I guess credit is due in that perspective. I remember my older brother nagging my father to buy him Kiss Alive II, & seeing the "blood" on Gene Simmons. Seeing that as a little kid, that is just creepy stuff.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 12:55 PM
"Kiss Alive" is a great album, overdubbed or no; it just flat-out rocks. The studio albums sound much tinnier and thin. I loved Kiss in the late 70s when I was in 6th 7th 8th grade - I was not a fan of their 80s and 90s output. Seeing their reunion tour in 1996 was a blast.
I enjoy Gene Simmons' flat-out honest crassness. Give the guy this: he is unpretentious.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 01:07 PM
Kiss Alive definitely sounds better than those first three records. Heavier sound for sure. Too bad the setlist isn't a little different. Could do without a couple of the songs (She/100 000 Years) and replace it/them with a few of the shorter rockier numbers.

After Destroyer the original lineup never had another good album. R&R Over and Love Gun could be combined to make a decent one. The others just got worse.

the solo albums were even worse. ace was the only one smart enough to get a good producer (Eddie Kramer) for his album and had a much better effort and better success. Gene's is just terrible. Borders on comedy. hell forget borders, it is comedy. A listen to "When You Wish Upon A Star" will prove that.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 01:07 PM
True kiss story (70's era - probably sometime around 75?). I've never cared for Kiss but I had a friend who liked their music and was dating their road manager at one time (don't ask me how that came to be). I drove her to one of their out of town concert's on the condition that I didn't have to attend the show. We spent the concert in the hotel bar (one of those glassed in revolving places) waiting for the show to be over at which time we were joined by some people who she knew and I had no idea who they were. When asked if we had enjoyed the show I made a smartass comment about the band and stated I would not waste my time. My friend jabbed me in the ribs, pinched me HARD, and whispered in my ear that I had just insulted Peter Kriss (sp) and Ace Frehley - they didn't have their makeup on ... I didn't know! As it turned out they had good sense of humor and laughed it off (I on the other hand was thoroughly embarrassed). And they turned out to be nice guys. I told them I had a friend whose 9 year old daughter was a die-hard Kiss fan and they took her address and ended up sending her a big box full of stuff - all of their albums, Kiss dolls, signed posters, etc. She was ecstatic and I really felt like a jerk.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 01:12 PM


A classic-lol.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 01:21 PM
Saw them in '75 in Jacksonville, FL just after Alive came out. Lost a very close friend in a car accident in April '76 and could never listen to Destroyer once I bought it a week later (with the opening car crash scene). Good stuff back in the day, though.
 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 02:07 PM
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Anybody have those Kiss mego dolls when they were a kid? lol


yup

And the lunchbox


I saw you carrying this one last year to the Beacon, right?



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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 02:22 PM
I think that was the third lunchbox they released. the Solo album box with four compartments.
 

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  posted on 1/16/2007 at 02:25 PM
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Anybody have those Kiss mego dolls when they were a kid?
I think my friends daughter managed to save some of the stuff she received from the band - will have to ask her if she hung on to the dolls.
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And the lunchbox...
Might not like their music but would love to have one of these in vintage condition!

ok - what about the show on A&E...Family Jewels or something like that. You know the one - Gene Simmons and family star in their version of the Osbornes??? Has anybody seen this? I watched once and found it to be painful.

 

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Anybody have those Kiss mego dolls when they were a kid?
I think my friends daughter managed to save some of the stuff she received from the band - will have to ask her if she hung on to the dolls.
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And the lunchbox...
Might not like their music but would love to have one of these in vintage condition!

ok - what about the show on A&E...Family Jewels or something like that. You know the one - Gene Simmons and family star in their version of the Osbornes??? Has anybody seen this? I watched once and found it to be painful.


Yup, I'm with you on that one, I stumbled across it one night and a few minutes later it was gone.

 

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Anybody have those Kiss mego dolls when they were a kid?
I think my friends daughter managed to save some of the stuff she received from the band - will have to ask her if she hung on to the dolls.
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And the lunchbox...
Might not like their music but would love to have one of these in vintage condition!

ok - what about the show on A&E...Family Jewels or something like that. You know the one - Gene Simmons and family star in their version of the Osbornes??? Has anybody seen this? I watched once and found it to be painful.


as painful as listening to their music???

KISS in the seventies...

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