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  posted on 1/14/2007 at 11:54 PM
I had a discussion with a buddy who likes the the older ABB better because he says: "They were looser and you might hear a mistake or two but they improvised more. The current ABB is much too polished" I said "Yes, they are great players, ofcourse they are polished" he said: "Right, too polished" your opinion?
 
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  posted on 1/14/2007 at 11:58 PM
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I had a discussion with a buddy who likes the the older ABB better because he says: "They were looser and you might hear a mistake or two but they improvised more. The current ABB is much too polished" I said "Yes, they are great players, ofcourse they are polished" he said: "Right, too polished" your opinion?


I don't know what the heck that means. The old ABB was equally as polished in the sense that they had great synergy together and rarely made mistakes. The new band is if anything evenmore adventurous with a bigger selection of songs and two VERY adventurous players each of whom are able to play slide expertly.

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 12:09 AM
Iv'e listened to at least 4 or 5 old bros shows more than once and I think Derek and Warren f@ck*ing kick Duane and dickey's @ss's. And yeah, it seems to me the new bros switch up the setlists more, which is always good.
 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 12:26 AM
The setlist thing only happened once Warren rejoined the band.

You know, on the "newer" songs, Warren & Derek "seem" to sound better, but the current line up still can't NAIL tunes like You Don't Love Me or Mountain Jam the way the original line up did.

Although with MJ, the most "adventurous" one I've heard is with Jimmy Herring.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 12:30 AM
enjoy it all.its all good
 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 12:32 AM
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I had a discussion with a buddy who likes the the older ABB better because he says: "They were looser and you might hear a mistake or two but they improvised more. The current ABB is much too polished" I said "Yes, they are great players, ofcourse they are polished" he said: "Right, too polished" your opinion?


Now when you refer to the older ABB are you referring to Gregg, Butch, Jaimoe & Warren? Because I think theages of all the members are across the spectrum.

If you are referring to the original lineup, sorry to be an a$$, but . . .

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 12:48 AM
For those wondering, ofcourse I meant my buddy likes the Duane/Dickie compared to the Derek/Warren era. I also wonder if it's the times we live in. Things are just a little tense in the world now compared to 1970-71 or therabouts. Was the band looser then due to free times? drug era? free love? Should the current band go back to their old ways? hell no. I immediately realized when my friend offered that opinion that I never thought of it that way. I actually like the current band the most but appreciate all eras of ABB. They do need to start dropping some tunes from Hittin' the Note though.

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 12:49 AM
a) listen to more old shows immediately.

Been meaning to for a while now but.... I dont know, I will one of these days.

b) duane and dickey aren't big guys but i don't think derek would be much in a fight, so i'd take duane and dickey over derek and warren in a battle royale.

I don't know. Iv'e run into Derek at the gym a few times and he's lookin pretty diesel.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 02:00 AM
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The setlist thing only happened once Warren rejoined the band.

You know, on the "newer" songs, Warren & Derek "seem" to sound better, but the current line up still can't NAIL tunes like You Don't Love Me or Mountain Jam the way the original line up did.

Although with MJ, the most "adventurous" one I've heard is with Jimmy Herring.


They nailed Mountain Jam at least two times last year at the Beacon. I saw it with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears. They nailed just about everything else too. But to say like one of the above posters that Warren and Derek blow Duane and Dickey away is just rediculous. Duane and Dickey were the inventors of the style and sound of the Allman Brothers Band. Warren and Derek are awesome though and definetly the best lineup since Dickey left. I saw some incredible shows with Warren and Dickey in the early and mid '90s when I was first exposed to the ABB. I also liked Jack Pearson and Jimmy Herring. Both very talented and capable, but Warren and Derek have really gotten tight and just feed off each other. They make every show unique.

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 02:08 AM
Finsky nails it. The ABB setlists never varied like they have since Warren's return. Even when a setlist did change in any era, it changed very little. Now you can see three shows in a row and get suprises every night. One of the best gifts that I believe Warren has given the ABB. Keeps it very fresh which is great for players of this quality. I would hate to hear Warren and Derek play the exact same songs night after night.

As for comparing eras, I say why bother. It is one big team effort over the years.

Every era has worked off improvising. Each journey different than the others but always with that familiar feeling. Each player over the years has had many magical moments and all the other pieces were always great.

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Duane and Dickey era was the damn beginning of the band. They obviously had less to choose from. I doubt Duane would be playing the same songs nightly if he were with us today. The original band is the magic that has been followed ever since. The closer an era comes to them the better it is.

All other eras have branched out as the releases came. Obviously the current lineup has the most to pick from and they have no fear of throwing in the odd new cover song. Which I personally enjoy. Warren's attitude of play what you feel like has worked for me over the years. A good song is an awesome song when played with the talent these guys possess. Love the added layla songs each year. Would be amazing to hear the ABB do an entire set from Layla.

Are Derek and Warren too polished? If by polished you mean play awesome with very few 'bum" notes then yes. Warren blows me away with the amount of shows I have of him and he so rarely hits an out of tune note. Amazing. Derek will also rarely go "bum" and if he does...well then he just takes it to a whole new place and the boys follow right along. Both guys go on the edge every night and that is rarely described as 'polished". Blaring guitars on an adventure is more like it to me.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 02:35 AM
Luckily, Gregg still blows some words or the intro if you are saying that is what made the originals looser, and therefore better.
I just don't waste time comparing apples to oranges-I enjoy both when I have them

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 04:17 AM
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"They were looser and you might hear a mistake or two but they improvised more.


Good grief I think the current band is by far the most improvisational they've been since the early 1970's

One night Warren does Dreams, the next time Derek does it.

They go into something always done with straight lead, like Southbound, and they decide to do it with Derek and Warren both on slide.

Sometimes Derek plays slide on Statesboro Blues, sometimes Warren does.

They start a concert off with Mountain Jam, then right in the middle of it they shift to something else...only to pick up where they left off with Mountain Jam 2 hours later!

Warren throws some "wah wah" into Whipping Post, and Derek is loosening strings and making extraterrestrial sounds during his solo.

On and on and on. The current band is off the charts improvisationally.

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 07:35 AM
It is all good.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 09:16 AM
IMO there's less of an inclination among the current band to play what's in the air -- the sound, in my humble opinion, is a little more structured, or as you say, polished -- which is awesome -- all the guys are on the same page and the shows flat out rock -- that may have been behind some of the friction w/Dickey toward the end of his tenure, Dickey to my ears is more of a cosmic traveler, just start from nothing & see what gives -- which sometimes can lead to not so great stuff as well as the magic
With the benefit of ILs I've seen & heard the current band numerous times now, and they're the best on the planet -- indeed more polished than the old ABB, w/"polished" being one of the great things about bluesion.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 09:20 AM
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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 10:30 AM
I've gone to at least one show in ATL every year in the ABB modern era, 1989 to present. The 2006 show was superior to all the previous ones by a wide margin. Derek and Warren have really juiced the band. With many aging rockers going the way of the lounge singer, aren't we lucky to be having this discussion? These are the good old days!
 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 11:03 AM
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I've gone to at least one show in ATL every year in the ABB modern era, 1989 to present. The 2006 show was superior to all the previous ones by a wide margin. Derek and Warren have really juiced the band. With many aging rockers going the way of the lounge singer, aren't we lucky to be having this discussion? These are the good old days!


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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 11:05 AM
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Iv'e listened to at least 4 or 5 old bros shows more than once and I think Derek and Warren f@ck*ing kick Duane and dickey's @ss's. And yeah, it seems to me the new bros switch up the setlists more, which is always good.


I think I'm gonna puke.


As I've said before, Hittin' The Note is a mediocre album IMO. It sure ain't LAFE. There's an @ss kickin' for ya.

I'm so burnt out on Warren I haven't even been able to listen to the "new" ABB for a year or so. All the shows just all started sounding to me. Sue me.

Derek is awesome.



 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 11:05 AM
THe current ABB IMO is...Just Perfect!

As far as being polished or not polished...They always ((((SHINE!))))

See you freaks at The Beacon with thousands of others who will be seeing the BEST live band out there!

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 11:31 AM
In my opinion, this lineup improvises and Jams a lot more. Like D28guy said, one night Warren will do "Dreams" or "statesboro Blues", and the next night Derek will. They also seem to jam a lot more, as some concerts, they will do Mountain Jam and Whipping Post. Some concerts they will do Dreams and Instrumental Illness. Throw in a Les Bres and an extended Jam on Revival or Liz Reed. Plus High Cost Of Low Living, Desdemona, and Rocking Horse, which are sometimes extended past the 12 minute mark. Id say this band improvises equal, if not more, than the Dickey/Duane era. True, Derek/Warren are more polished guitarists, and the band itself seems more polished, it is not a bad thing. The music will still take you places, and it will always leave you in awe. Also, Duane and Berry were only with the band for 3 years before they died. That isn't a lot of time. They only released 2 studio albums, which contained 14 songs in total. Add in about 15 cover songs they did, and thats about 30 songs they know. Its hard to switch the set up when you play 15-20 songs a show. Because of that, it seemed like Dickey and Duane (In order to not bore the audience by playing the same stuff), took more musical risks. Listen to Mountain Jam, Whipping Post, and YDLM L@TFE, Duane and Dickey take tons of risks. This current lineup has been together for 6 years, which is a long time to craft each song. Plus they have a larger repitour of songs, so they can mix up the set list each night. It seems like, because they have been together longer, Derek and Warren dont take as many risks when performing, which might be why some people say they are "too polished".
 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 11:36 AM
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Ditto....

Can't go wrong with the ABB, yesterday, today ~ or tomorrow.
It's all goooooood.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 11:37 AM
A big factor is that the current ABB have been playing their instruments longer than the LAFE guys had. They have also been together longer than the LAFE band. How could they NOT be more polished? How can you stay raw if you play all the time? How can you not make less mistakes, etc?
 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 11:40 AM
STOP IT!!! Just quit right now! The "new ABB" is not "too" anything. They are just as they should be. So was the "old ABB". Quit overanalyzing, comparing, complaining....whatever it is that you are doing. Just enjoy them while we have them. Sheesh...enough already! Stop right now!

OK...now I feel a little better.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 12:19 PM
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Iv'e listened to at least 4 or 5 old bros shows more than once and I think Derek and Warren f@ck*ing kick Duane and dickey's @ss's. And yeah, it seems to me the new bros switch up the setlists more, which is always good.


I think I'm gonna puke.


As I've said before, Hittin' The Note is a mediocre album IMO. It sure ain't LAFE. There's an @ss kickin' for ya.

I'm so burnt out on Warren I haven't even been able to listen to the "new" ABB for a year or so. All the shows just all started sounding to me. Sue me.

Derek is awesome.






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  posted on 1/15/2007 at 01:41 PM
LOL Doug...not really meant as a slam on Warren...just totally burnt out on the "sound", and that's partly a result of tunes like Rockin' Horse, Woman Across The River, Instrumental Illness & Soulshine. If you can get them to stop playing those I'll willingly send you a check.

 

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