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Author: Subject: Thanks for Serving Up Tix to Scalpers

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:25 PM
I am just amazed at how little ABB has done to deal with the horrible ticket situation at the Beacon. As anyone will note, virtually no great seats went to longtime fans tonight. Why? Because scalpers have programs which recognize the character codes and input them immediately and can snatch up 100s of tickets instantly while normal fans are stuck out in the cold. (This has been talked about in press and there was a dateline or similar news show which covered this problem when U2 tickets were going on sale). The ticketmaster character recognition system actually helps scalpers with sophisticated programs tremendously because their programs recognize and input the characters right away while us poor suckers have to type in the codes. Does anyone at ABB read the news to see what is going on with ticketmaster these days??? On top of this the Beacon is absolutely corrupt. The 1st 25 people on line on saturday will be scalpers as is the case every single year for the last decade. The scaplpers even park their cars in front of the Beacon the night before loaded with sometimes 6 or 7 people. And let me tell you the Beacon folks know and are complicit in this situation. I personally witnessed the box office taking $50 and $100 bills from scalpers to get the best seats - I was right behind some people who did it. It is just stunning that nothing has been done about this. Fans are routinely screwed. There are several things that can be done to help fans out such as 1) having a lottery through musictoday like Dave Matthews Band does, 2) monitoring the awful scalping situation at the Beacon - I am sure this has not been done because everyone who shows up knows how bad it is, 3) selling at least some tickets through an alternate vendor or 4) holding a lottery at the beacon, i.e. everyone in line picks a number from a hat and a random number is picked.

Here is a link to one article talking about "bots" which are robot programs used by scalpers. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2005-03-30/news/feature_3.html

Here is another article regarding U2 tickets. http://www.u2tours.com/news/article.src?ID=990

I know Lana and crew mean well but I am sorry to say they are failing us miserably and have not adapted a bit to address this situation.

 
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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:31 PM
The reason no "great" seats were released tonight is because all seats in the front 10 rows are held for the public onsale this year, to be sold on the PHONE. Scalpers can't deal with that any better than we can.

Lana and Rowland do an INCREDIBLE job - even having this pre-sale is more than we could ever ask for. Thanks Lana and Rowland for your kindness!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:34 PM
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Lana and Rowland do an INCREDIBLE job - even having this pre-sale is more than we could ever ask for. Thanks Lana and Rowland for your kindness!


I cannot agree more.

Dude, dont blame them.. it aint there fault. They are doing the bets they can.

Try blaming the idiots that pass on the password to those that should get it.

THAT is the problem.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:35 PM
Did you read anything else I said? Have you been to the Beacon before to buy ticketss? How about rows 10 through 20 for any weekend shows? Did you get any? How many member of HTW got really good seats. 6 or 7 years ago we all got good seats because these software programs were not in existence. But not its a nightmare.


 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:35 PM
If they got the password but are not members, they will not get those tickets......

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:37 PM
It isn't Lana and Rowland.

The band needs to deal with this issue and the new MSG connection might, MIGHT, be an opportunity to shift the approach. The Grateful Dead had a much better system but they had to bear the brunt of ticketing. Regardless, the band is the only entity that can bring this issue to the contractual table.

I do want to remind people that a lot of interests have their hands in the ticket pie. Ticketmaster, the promoters, the venue and the band. I believe, and I may be wrong, but the tickets in the presale represent a portion of the band's ticket allotment.

Please someone correct me if I am wrong.


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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:39 PM
You've made 9 posts in a year and you're complaining? Maybe you're a lurker. If so, you would know that Lana and Rowland will check EVERY pre-sale ticket order and they will CANCEL those that don't belong to Peach Corps members. I've gotten shut out of the pre-sale the last 2 or 3 years, but end up just fine in the general sale.

Stop your whining.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:39 PM
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Did you read anything else I said? Have you been to the Beacon before to buy ticketss? How about rows 10 through 20 for any weekend shows? Did you get any? How many member of HTW got really good seats. 6 or 7 years ago we all got good seats because these software programs were not in existence. But not its a nightmare.




I haven't ever been to the Beacon before to buy tickets, since I'll only be 17 in February, I always have school when they go on sale. I'm sure the scene there is hell. This year, tickets aren't being made available at the Beacon itself until Sunday, with tickets being made available Monday at MSG and Radio City, I believe.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:39 PM
Guys and gals you are sheep!! The password doesn't matter at all. Scalpers are on this board but don't contribute and sign up. All you have to do is sign up and become an HTW member and you can do the presale.

Lana does weed out some of the scalpers but these folks aren't stupid.

If you research what I am telling you about ticketmaster everything I say will be borne out. Go to the Beacon yourself and look at the long line of sewer rat scalpers paid by a kingpin to buy tickets. Homeless guys are paid off to stand in line overnight. It happens every year!!!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:40 PM
This sounds like it is more of a TM problem, not the band.

TM needs to find a way to stop these "bots"

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:42 PM
You won't find anyone here who will say they love Ticketmaster and think they are a great, fan-friendly company.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:43 PM
'Eff Ticketbastid!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:45 PM
It is true that scalpers can easily join the Peach Corp and get the access to the pre-sale that way. They probably join other sites that way too. But the most they can get per account would be 12. I suppose they can use multiple E-Mail addresses.

Doug

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:50 PM
doughron,

that is exactly what they do. They sign up dozens of email addresses!

And its not just the presale folks. It will be the regular onsale. All the great seats will be snatched up right away while us humans without 'bots' will have to type in the code and get back of the house seats if lucky.

Any of you guys get tix in the front 10 rows last year through regular onsale? We should take a poll b/c that would bear it out. But all you have to do is read the articles on bots and you will see what we are up against. Selling tickets to hot shows on ticketmaster is tantamount to feeding the best seats to ticketmaster. Do your research and you will find out yourself.

I know all you folks are good people and don't want to offend Lana and team or whomever at ABB makes these decisions but they are not up to speed on the times and helping their fans out.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:53 PM
lana & roland do an amazing job, and have always done whatever is under their control to both make seats available to long time fans, and prevent scalpers easy access.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:54 PM
I was in Row 10 last year for the very last night

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:55 PM
Oh yeah, and you have to know the "fans" have their hands in the pie too. There are 65,000 people in the peachcorps (PC). Let's say 10,000 people post on this site and NONE of them will sell their extra's for a profit on ebay or a ticket brokers site.

That leaves 55,000 people who lurk on the site, or maybe not even lurk but just wait to get the peacogram. Ok, so that leaves 55,000 people in the mix. Even if half of them, even if a quarter of them buy only the minimum, there are going to be a lot of extras when people buy more tickets than they need and then list them on ebay and the ticket brokers sites.

So really a lot of people have their hands in the pie.

I could not get one decent ticket (J and forward in the orchestra) for any of the Saturday nights. And not for any of the other nights either. To be fair, I threw back a few T's S's U's and the like.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:57 PM
dw is more right than wrong. i've been going to the beacon since 91 and in past presales I would get orch seats right in front of the soundboard. They were great. The only orch seats now are row r or behind and on the far left or right. This is why i go for lower balc. i usually get first three rows center. They are great seats as well.

The scam is both the beacon and ticketmaster. The big scalpers and ticket brokers have key people at both locations in their pockets. And he is right only the band itself can change it, not rowland or lana. I appreciate the ability to get pre sale tickets but the brothers will need to get involved. They are so busy with their other projects this goes under the radar. Maybe Butch can look into it and do something with Moogis.

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 09:57 PM
This is really much ado about nothing. First off, everyone knew (it was posted several times) that pre-sale tickets might end up being back orchs and/or loges unless one went for balcony. I was fortunate to score a 14th row but it was a single for a weeknight. I specifically went for that.

Secondly, I have been going to the Beacon shows for years and at times without a ticket and always got in for face or less. Thirteen shows is a lot. If you do not score on Saturday, go down to the BO or buy outside for cost or less. Believe me there are a lot of tickets out there. The only weekend that might be tough is the weekend of the 30th which is the beginning of Easter vacation.

I appreciate all of Lana's and Rowland work in making this a community. So to them, again, thanks for all of your efforts.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 10:02 PM
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This sounds like it is more of a TM problem, not the band.

TM needs to find a way to stop these "bots"


TM doesn't give a rat's ass whether you or I get tickets.
If they can a premium from a scalper or a "ticket broker" all the better!
It's about the bottom line!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 10:05 PM
Same old same old b**tchin' every pre-sale. I HATE scalpers like the next guy and the system isn't perfect, but the good folks who run this site try their best to get us tickets before the scalping bastids really get going during the general sale. I got a couple shows this year...Not my first choice or even my third choice, but still happy with them. It's a privelage to see the best band in the land, not a right..

To echo the previous poster, thanks to Lana and Rowland for all your hard work. Also, FYI - it's 10PM and I just pulled a single Orchestra R or S for 2 of the three Saturday shows. Keep trying!! There will be ample tix oppotunities in the coming weeks and months

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 10:07 PM
I agree with the original poster.

I'm not blaming Lana and Co., but it's time the band steps up and does something. Didn't the Dead have a good system for getting tix ? It was a lottery ?

With MSG taking over the Beacon, it's only going to get worse.

If the 1st 10 rows are by phone only on Saturday why didn't anyone get better than approx row R in the Orch ?

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 10:09 PM
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It is true that scalpers can easily join the Peach Corp and get the access to the pre-sale that way. They probably join other sites that way too. But the most they can get per account would be 12. I suppose they can use multiple E-Mail addresses.

Doug



We have a winner!

Scalpers can join here just like you and I and they can create more than one account.

But the real issue is Ticketbastid dealing with the scalpers. They wont because they get their money no matter what

The Band would have to take it into their own hands and that would be to much to deal with selling/distibuting tickets themselves.

All you people getting mad at Lana and Rowland should bite your tongue! They cant control it. They do not have to do what they do. They dont have to go through every order and kick tickets back for you. You need to be thanking them.

Thank you Lana and Rowland

You two are loved by me and many others here

For the record I was shut out too!

 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 10:10 PM
hear, hear! thanks to Lana and Rowland for all your hard work.
 

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  posted on 1/4/2007 at 10:19 PM
Glad some people have finally chimed in and not stood up with the company line that the band does the best in can. FRANKLY THE BAND IS DOING A LOUSY JOB!!. The presale opportunity is illusory and there are many ways to make it better and my recommendations are not novel. They are done by many of the top acts who demonstrably care about their fans.

I don't doubt that Lana and crew intend well but frankly they are way behind the times and need to catch up if they care about the fans.

I have been going to the Beacon religiously for over 10 years and I attend tons of other concerts by all kinds of bands, young, old, classic rock, jazz, jambands, pop etc. I know what its like out there. I also know first hand what this is all about and have purchased great tickets in the past during the presale and regular onsale (years ago before the scalpers went light years ahead of us) and have been to the Beacon freezing my butt off in January as scalpers scooped up all the great seats.

To say that ABB is doing their best is absolutely not true. In fact to say they are doing an ok job is also way off the mark.

 
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