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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 02:17 PM
Wanted to get a pulse on what y'all think about the growing "sport" of "Mixed Martial Arts" (ie cage fighting). 60 Minutes did an episode last night introducing many folks for the first time to this growing phenomenon called MMA (ie UFC, IFL, Pride Fighting). I recently started getting into this stuff a bit. Kind of fun watching guys beat the hell out of each other ..Still, is it a sport???
 
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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 02:20 PM
Seems like more of a spectacle than a sport. If this your cup o' stuff, I'm glad it's there for ya.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 02:21 PM
My son is into it a bit. I don't get it. I hope he stops this **** ! So far he's not been whooped up on too bad.
I think the martial arts are fantastic, as long as it is used not to fight.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 02:26 PM
I watch and have been to several events at Mohegan Sun. I can appreciate the training and dedication it takes to compete. It took me 9 1/2 years to get my black belt in Uechi Ryu (Weichi Ru) a defense style of karate. I stopped because I went to college.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 04:24 PM
I've been watching the UFC ever since its inception and in my opinion, it is more of a sport now than it was ten years ago. Prior to the rule changes, the UFC pit style versus style, which almost always ended up with one guy getting the crap kicked out of him. In today's MMA events, the fighters are protected with the new rules, and the fights are more fighter versus fighter within the MMA universe as opposed to a wrestler fighting submission specialist.

Does that make it a sport? I say yes. There is an incredible amount of skill and dedication needed for success in this business. Is it brutal? Absolutely, and for that reason more than any other so many men from the ages of 18 to 40 love this stuff. Has it risen to the level of "sport" that boxing has attained? Not yet, maybe never. Although a puncher always has a chance of winning in boxing, a good boxer when properly prepared will always beat a one punch wonder. However, in MMA, a lucky punch can win a fight for a grossly less talented competitor. Therein lies the reason why I have a hard time putting it on the same "sporting" level as boxing.

As far as the entertainment factor is concerned, MMA fights can be highly entertaining. And on the other hand, they can be enormously dull. Just like boxing. The one leg up that MMA has on boxing is that in an MMA fight, the fight most often ends with a clear winner. Boxing, as we all know by now, if it goes to the score card, who knows what will happen. Boxing biggest problem is that there have been so many controversial decisons that people have become disheartened and disgusted with the sport. MMA typically gives its consumer a "winner" at the end of the fight.

I love both sports and spend money on each. I believe that MMA and boxing are very different "combat sports" and certianly there is room in this world for both. If I had to choose, boxing is my favorite but I never miss a MMA pay per view. I can't understand why proponents of these respective sports feel the need to criticize the other. I guess boxing feels a bit threatened by the MMA phenominom. Good, because needs a lot of work, but when boxing is at its best, there is nothing like it!!!!

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 04:40 PM
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My son is into it a bit. I don't get it. I hope he stops this **** ! So far he's not been whooped up on too bad.
I think the martial arts are fantastic, as long as it is used not to fight.


I'm with you on this Hai. Self-defense with ALOT of self-restraint first and foremost

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 04:45 PM
Sport. Absolutely.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 04:48 PM
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I did this kind of thing while incarcerated when things went off but it was way more intense. The cage was a 24/7 thing, the referees shot at you if you didn't stop when they instructed you to do so, and if you won...you got to live to see another day.

It wasn't UFC it was CDC, California Dept. of Corrections

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 04:50 PM
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It wasn't UFC it was CDC, California Dept. of Corrections


They should put that on pay-per-view. They'd make millions!

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 05:08 PM
You know it's funny, I used to not ever watch it or even care about it because I thought it was too barbaric and really not much of a sport at all...Now, I have kind of changed my opinion on UFC matches because I started watching it some and I am now appreciating it more and more. I watch it now almost weekly when its on TV.

I think at this point it actually blows boxing away on many levels. I can't even watch boxing anymore, it lost it's appeal to me years ago. Too many boxing matches are so boring and meaningless and lots of times the decisions on who won are completely biased or just so plain wrong you just shake your head. I like that there are usually clear cut winners in the UFC which is more appealing and much less controversial. I also like the fact that there are lots of different styles of fighting in the UFC too....guys have different strengths and weaknesses which makes it more interesting than boxing. It's cool to try and predict who will win based on their fighting style - you will have the wrestling expert vs. the martial arts master...or the street fighter vs. the stand up puncher etc...

I also find the UFC fighters much more intelligent and insightful than boxers who can barely put a sentence together. Boxers are almost like rappers where they have a thug mentality and are just after the big payday. I don't see the UFC guys that way - They seem well educated and have lots of respect for the sport and their opponents after the matches are over. There is also no Don King in the UFC which is a plus, lol! So is it a sport? Yes, I think it is....these guys are good athletes who train damn hard and there is a lot more strategy than they are given credit for...





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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 06:00 PM
Well said, Eddie.

I also like the International flavor of many of the competitors. Diverse styles make the fight. Wish they would lose the WWF nicknames and ring announcer. Big bucks in PPV and trademarked items. IMO, a classic American case study of brand building and business risk taking. It is a sport and I don't begrudge them a nickel.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 07:14 PM
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Big bucks in PPV and trademarked items.


As far as PPV goes, they are already handing the WWE it's a$s. UFC is forecasting a million buys for their next PPV, which is just an incredible number. They pulled in 700,000 for their last PPV, and the growth over the past 12 months has just been outstanding. As a comparison, the bigger boxing PPVs do anywhere from 500,000 to a million, the WWE only pulls in one million once a year for WrestleMania, their next large PPV in February, the Royal Rumble, will pull about 575,000. The WWE only averages about 250,000 for their monthly PPVs. MMA is off to an incredible start and things look pretty bright in the future. The boxing demographic is simply skewing too old. UFC pulls in nearly 85% in males 18-35, a demo that boxing or the WWE would give anything to get a portion of. There is still much resistance in the boxing circles, but there are some boxing people that while they might not know the difference between an armbar and a salad bar, they see what's looming on the horizon.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 08:55 PM
Definately a sport now. Those guys are pretty amazing!

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 02:51 AM
Not only is MMA a sport, itís one of the most interesting sports around. Weíre watching martial arts evolve right before our eyes, and discovering how effective one sport can be over another when it comes to hand-to-hand combat. Sports like wrestling or judo, boxing, kickboxing, Brazilian jiu-jitsu and Muay Tai boxing. If these disciplines are deemed a sport, then think about the level of dedication it must take to become very proficient at all of them - and then utilize these techniques under pressure. If, by chance, a fighter is lacking in one of those areas, it will show and they will most likely lose. I think the primary reason people perceive this sport as a freak show is because they do not understand the techniques employed. That, and they may be turned off by seeing a devastating knockout if that occurs. This sport is a physical chess match, and if someone does not comprehend all that is involved, then it looks like aggressive men slugging away at each other or rolling around on the ground, which is far from the truth.

On a side note, the fighters in the UFC are not the cream-of-the-crop. Pride Fighting, which is held in Japan (also seen on Pay-Per-View), is a little more advanced. If you could compare MMA to football, then the UFC is like college, and Pride is the NFL. As in football, there are college players who can perform really well at a pro level, but most UFC fighters would get smoked in Pride.


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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 05:08 AM
i don't get it. if i wanna see 2 people beat hell out'n each other, i just go to the local bar.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 09:04 AM
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On a side note, the fighters in the UFC are not the cream-of-the-crop. Pride Fighting, which is held in Japan (also seen on Pay-Per-View), is a little more advanced. If you could compare MMA to football, then the UFC is like college, and Pride is the NFL. As in football, there are college players who can perform really well at a pro level, but most UFC fighters would get smoked in Pride.


Too bad Pride is short on cash. Their current reputation in Japan is in the tank due to their television network dumping them for their Yakuza connections. The network provided about 90% of the cash for the top-flight production and the enormous cost of running regular shows at Saitama Super Arena. Dana White is working to get Mirko Cro Cop in UFC. Smart man.



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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 09:25 AM
I don't think the UFC fighters would really get "smoked" in Pride........Hasn't Chuck Liddell fought in pride several times??? Chuck, George St. Pierre, Matt Hughes, Anderson Silvia (whos also fought in pride) & Tim Sylvia could hold there own in Pride!!!!! Just to name a few.........


I would love to see Mirko Cro Cop in UFC though........Him and Sylvia would be quiet the fight.....

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 10:36 AM
I find the UFC like a nice pair of T!Ts, I know I shouldn't look but I do anyway.

I cannot change the channel when it's on. The training ,the strength,the stamina, and maybe the stupidity that is involved blows me away.

These guys might be in the best shape of any professional athlete out there.

I'm a bit grossed out by the premanant damage some of these guys have done to their ears. They are swollen and deformed beyond recognition.

I like it and I always watch when it's on.

I wish I could take a punch like they do.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 12:13 PM
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I don't think the UFC fighters would really get "smoked" in Pride........Hasn't Chuck Liddell fought in pride several times??? Chuck, George St. Pierre, Matt Hughes, Anderson Silvia (whos also fought in pride) & Tim Sylvia could hold there own in Pride!!!!! Just to name a few.........

I would love to see Mirko Cro Cop in UFC though........Him and Sylvia would be quiet the fight.....
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I love the fighters youíve mentioned, but yes, they would get smoked in Pride. Itís a different level of competition. George St. Pierreís jiu-jitsu level is a bit lower than most competitors, but the guy is awesome and getting better everyday. At 205lbs, I think there are several fighters who would roll through Chuck Liddel like butter. Chuck chose his opponents very carefully when he went to Pride. I havenít seen Anderson Silvia fight too much (he did get tapped out in Pride) so I wonít comment on his current status. But Tim Sylvia, my God, he would get absolutely killed by a number of fighters his size and smaller, including Cro Cop - he would finish him fairly quickly.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 02:00 PM
The sport is real popular in Canada which is why there are so many fighters in the UFC. I have a few friends that did it for years locally. They were in a club similar to "Fight Club". Used to beat the hell out of each other for fun.

My parents sent me to karate when I was little. i had an instructor similar to "Arnold" from the karate kid. Except my instructor used to kick our asses.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 02:11 PM
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I'm a bit grossed out by the premanant damage some of these guys have done to their ears. They are swollen and deformed beyond recognition.




The old cauliflower ears, most wrestlers at that level have some form of cauliflower ears from having their ears constantly rubbed, twisted, etc. on a mat in holds, and they start to puff out. Gross looking but otherwise harmless

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 05:51 PM
Fedor Emelianenko and Mirko Cro Cop are both out of Pride's New Year's Eve show, their biggest of the year. What a devastating blow to the card. Both are claiming injuries. Funny how Cro Cop's decision on UFC is due any time now...

 

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  posted on 12/16/2006 at 10:58 PM
Watched a little bit of "fight night" tonight. I like Diego Sanchez.

 

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