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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 12:04 AM
Seriously, I guess I'll come out here and say I'm losing my hearing...I got that semi- constant ringing thing called Tinniitus, like Pete Townshend has....I'm just like Pete except without all the money...

If I go to a concert these days I take cotton for my ears.

I most reently went to The Tabernacle for two nights of Gov't Mule and like someone posted in some other thread, they are starting to turn it down ...keep in mind, I came from that era where they wouldn't conceive of turning it down, just the opposite.

But I did notice that the overall volume was lower. I happen to like this.

I realize I'm all over the place with this but ... I know some of you have abused your ears over the years with headphones...the old kind,... exxtra looud volume wherever you could etc......all the time...too loud.

This was me. And I'm starting to lose my hearing.

Gradual yes.

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 12:11 AM
My ears have rung since the late 70's.

I have only partial hearing ion my left ear.

It's gotten worse over the last three years or so.

I spent 13 years in the bar business in Houston.

Four of those were at the most popular live rock club in town.

I ALWAYS wore cotton in my ears, whether we had a concert or not.

Some of the local bands were as loud as the touring acts.

I've found that certain frequencies are all gone.

Sometimes I'll reach an answering machine, and never hear the tone that means I should record my message.

It is annoying, and my wife is constantly on my case about it.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 12:23 AM
Dude I can relate...I got a new cell phone and some of the sounds on it are non existant to my ears.

If I'm in a crowd like a restaurant or something, i can barely hear the person across the table from me...the background noise is too great.

And my wife does that too. It's because they don't understand it. And I must say I didn't either until I started to experience it.


 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 06:33 AM
huh?

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 07:09 AM
I've been using the ear plugs you get from the Airlines for my ears the last few years. They filter out the piercing sounds and I guess I lose a litlle of the over all ambience but in the long run, its worth it...I hope.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 09:30 AM
no ringing but after shows my right ear needs a 2-4 day recovery----& i can't handle headphones--ugh!

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 09:44 AM
go to a music store [ sam ash, guitar center] and ask for plugs. they have some good ones for about $10. i always go to the drum dept. thats where i get mine
 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 10:44 AM
On this subject; I'm shocked at how many little kids I see at concerts with their parents and with no apparent ear protection. There's a natural process of loosing the ability to hear upper frequencies as we age, and for those of us who love live music, that is hastened by what we subject our ears to with concert volumes. But kids haven't started this process yet. When brought to a concert at 8 - 10 - or 12 years old, for what is probably their first exposure to sustained volume, the impact is much more dramatic on them.

I was at MSG to see Roger Waters, sitting front row. Coming up to the rail occassionally during the night were these two little girls (about 8 and 10 years old), who were obviously daughters of a couple sitting in the third row. No ear protection at all. I wonder if the parents understood the potential impact.

On another front, I always find it a bit humorous that the extreme high-end of the audiophile hobby goes to such lenghts and expense in reproducing upper frequencies. Since the majority of their customers are older, it is literally true that most buyers probably can't hear past 14-16 khz, but are drooling over speakers with specs of 20-25-30+ khz.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 10:57 AM
"WHAT, WHAT DID YOU SAY " is prevalent in our house . It's not just age, it's the loud music ! My wife & I like our music LOUD. I especially notice it when I'm coming home from work after opening the garage doors, I go back to the car and think " Man that's loud" . The louder you make the louder you'll NEED IT later on to hear it.GOTTA HAVE MY MUSIC.
 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 11:06 AM
I'll tell ya what,I sat in front of Dickey in 97 at Palo Soleri amphitheatre in Santa Fe and my head was ringing for a solid month, had those Marshalls cranked up, as always,he hurt me that night! Great show though!

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 11:08 AM
You wonder about the band members. How does Warren preserve his hearing? Mule rocks pretty loud.

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 01:59 PM
Oh man....can I relate to this thread. I suffer from tinnitus in my left ear. In my case, it's a whistling effect that gets triggered by loud shrill noises. When it gets triggered, it takes several weeks before it settles down again. Even when it is settled down, I can still a faint sound like crickets chirping especially when I am in a quiet area with no background noise.
That has been pretty constant for quite a few years now.

I also have a discernable high end loss in my right ear.

Sometimes either ear will suddenly go "ping" without any warning and for several minutes, I can barely hear out of that ear. John Entwhistle described that very same effect with his hearing in an interview once. I was not exactly happy to hear that we shared a problem....

Could it be all the shows I saw when I was younger? Maybe. I never wore ear protection at all then and I was usually pretty close to the PA and stage whenever I could get good tickets or especially if it was general admission.

I have worn the thick foam earplugs for at least 10 years now. It does cut off the shrill high end but it also cuts off the good sounding high end, making everything sound just a bit midrangy. But I'm hoping that prevents any further loss. Sadly though, I seem to have lost a bit more just in the last two years or so.

So it goes I guess.....





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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 02:16 PM
my most repeated word at home,work,& all over is "WHAT????????????????"

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 03:14 PM
After decades of concerts I had noticed my left ear bugs me at times and thru much searching and talking with other concert goers I bought these a few years ago and they work great.




The patented Hi-Fi technology behind these unique earplugs lets you hear all the frequencies just as if you had no plugs in, but at a lower volume level. The triple flange design produces a good seal in most ear canals, yielding accurate performance and a comfortable fit for nearly everyone.
ER-20 Hi-Fi ear plugs reduce the volume by about 20 db--just enough to prevent damage to your hearing, but not so much that you lose the enjoyment of the music. The ER-20 has an NRR of 12 rather than 20 because the frequency weighting used in the NRR calculation assumes blocking of higher frequencies more than of lower frequencies and these plugs do not do that. They are designed to let you hear the full range of music.


http://earplugstore.stores.yahoo.net/profmusearpl1.html

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 03:17 PM
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You wonder about the band members. How does Warren preserve his hearing? Mule rocks pretty loud

A lot of bands have gone to in-ear monitors with a mix off the board. They can hear themselves and the band better, and it frees the stage of those unslightly monitors. But having seem Mule just a few weeks ago, I didn't notice any in-ears and the definately had a lot of stage monitors cluttering the floor. Given the technology, the ability to control to volume, and the freeing of stage space, I'm surprised when bands don't have in-ear monitors these days.

Here's one company that makes them: http://www.ultimateears.com/

I got a pair custom made and use them with my ipod. They are amazing in terms of balanced sound quality and sonic isolation. I'm on planes almost every week, and when I've got these on with a little music playing (doesn't even have to be loud), I can't hear anything - the plane noises, the flight attendent asking what I want to drink, the baby crying two rows back - nothing!

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 03:21 PM
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the baby crying two rows back


That in itself is worth it then. Nothing worse than all the noise when you're on a plane especially if you fly quite a bit. I think I'll pick some of these up as well. Thanks.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 03:21 PM
Thanks to my friend jonbrach here on this site I got a pair of custom musician ear plugs a few years ago. They take a mold of each ear so they fit perfectly. So Worth It! Obviously it's a significant improvement over the foam plugs I used to wear as well. If you are very discerning (which I am not), you can also get different filters that enhance certain sounds/pitches while filtering others depending on the type of show (jazz, rock, etc) you are going to. It's not cheap, but not much more than the cost of one ABB show and if you see a lot of concerts over the years I highly recommend them. If you're in the NYC area PM me and i'll let you know where I got mine.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 03:44 PM
Yep. Same here. Definite hearing loss, and documented with hearing tests. The cause was loud machinery, jack hammers, snowmobiles, and Marshall amps. I can really notice the buzzing or ringing in my ears when it's quiet. Especially when I'm out in the woods, hiking or hunting or whatever... Old age sucks dont it. LOL
 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 04:11 PM
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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 04:17 PM
the mental part is doable---the physical realities..................

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 06:18 PM
Being that i work as a sound engineer a lot these days i take a lot of precautions with my ears....... I always carry plugs with me to rock shows and when ambulances come by, I always shut my ears off..... The biggest problem for me is that i hate listening to things at low volume.... i like to hear everything and if something is missing, it pisses me off....... i wish in my earlier days i had taken some extra precautions (the ABB show in Raleigh '95 was damn loud) but my hearing seems to be holding up really well. I can hear a lot of things other people can't and it seems my hearing is more sensitive to everything these days, which is a good thing for me. I've still got a good handle on the whole audio freq spectrum and things at low volumes.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2006 at 07:39 PM
I definatley have some hearing loss. As Otie mentioned, I have a hard time carrying a conversation within a big group of people.

So talk REAL LOUD if you see me at the Beacon

 

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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 01:45 AM
My ears have been whistling for 30 years but I don't notice it unless I think about it. One ear is worse than the other and my wife stays on my ass when I asked her to repeat things. Anyhow the audiologist said I have some hearing loss but not enough for a hearing aid. Oh well.

Anyhow I work the box office at a venue in Atlanta and there's a sign that says Ear Plugs 50 cents. The teenagers and college guys laugh when they see it but I just tell them if they want to be able to hear when they're my age then they should get them. Despite the laughs we sell plenty.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 05:39 AM
Back in 1973 I saw Joe Walsh@Barnstorm at Howard Steins Academy of Music . His level was ok but the opening band was the original Marshall Tucker Band and Toy Caldwell guitar and Marshall Stack which was thrusted towards the front of the stage left literally blew my hearing out. I went to a drug store afterward and got the gooey silly putty like ear plugs and I've been wearing them for over 30 years. Even at the Beacon I gotta wear them,but last June I saw SLAYER in New Jersey and I was near the top and they weren't as loud as I thought they would be but Dave's footpetal did penetrate my skull.The downside is when the house is quiet and you can't sleep you hear everything so that's why I'm posting at 5:30am(est)and in 4 hours I make breakfast for my wife and son.
 

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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 10:47 AM
Most musicians now use custom earplugs that have been made for them.

I always use earplugs. I buy the foam earplugs that filter 32db. I dont notice a difference in the music...perhaps it is because I am accustomed to wearing them. But you so have to get used to wearing them. I always try to have extras to offer to the parents that have children at the show.

 

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