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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 09:34 AM
Good point. I too believe players should prove themselves before getting the big salaries, especially when coming from another country/league where the talent is not the same.

Good Luck with the Sox gondy...at least I don't have to fret about the Blue Jays mortgaging the farm on this one!

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 08:41 PM
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Good point. I too believe players should prove themselves before getting the big salaries, especially when coming from another country/league where the talent is not the same.



The BoSox have already convinced themselves that he's worth it by outbidding others by about $15 mill. Boros knows this. He ain't stupid. The BoSox have already blinked by upping their deal before Boros countered their first offer. Boros knows if Matsuzaka doesn't sign, he's a free agent next year...and the bidding starts at $51 million.

My guess is they get it done. The BoSox will bend over, grab their ankles & take it where the sun don't shine. The'll come out, wipe their chins & proclaim everything is roses.

Like you said Neil. All this for an unproven player from basically the high minor leagues. Incredible.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 09:49 PM
Just think. It's not the Yankees Couldnt resist.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 11:11 PM
Glad to see it happen to another team for once

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 03:21 AM
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Glad to see it happen to another team for once



I wouldn't say it's happened yet


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From the Boston Herald:

COSTA MESA, Calif. — Around midnight East Coast time tonight, the Red Sox’ negotiating team walked out of Scott Boras’ offices with no deal yet for Daisuke Matsuzaka and a big question mark as to whether or not the face-to-face negotiations will resume.

General manager Theo Epstein said “the decision is up to Matsuzaka-san’’ when asked if a decision had been made after the approximately hour-long meeting. President and CEO Larry Lucchino adding a no comment as well as “it’s pending,’’ referring to the status of the talks.

The Red Sox negotiating team, which included Tom Werner and a Japanese interpreter, as well as Craig Shipley, had negotiated with Boras for much of the day.

Shortly after Epstein left, Boras left his offices along with his Japanese interpreter. It was assumed that he was going to meet with his client, presumably to discuss the Red Sox’ latest and perhaps final contract offer.

Said Boras: “I’ll have something for you maybe later in the day.’’

The Red Sox are leaving with or without Matsuzaka Wednesday morning on owner John Henry’s private jet.




apparently this evening's meeting was fairly short. Doesn't sound too optimistic for him getting signed.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 07:14 AM
Wow this looks like it might not get done I thought for sure that it would. The clock is ticking now!

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 09:00 AM
GORDON EDES'S 3 A.M. UPDATE: Just after midnight on the West Coast, a source with direct ties to negotiations said that "dialogue continues" between the two sides. That would appear to leave open the possibility that a deal could still be struck before the Sox make their scheduled departure this morning, but nothing appeared imminent.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 09:13 AM
I guarantee you guys that he WILL be signed.

Bet the house and car on it!

BorASS will play hardball up until the last second, and then take the best deal offered.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 09:58 AM
I am thinking the same thing.

BorASS never misses a big payday

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 10:17 AM
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I am thinking the same thing.

BorASS never misses a big payday


That...and I've heard the Japanese team has already spent the 51 million.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 11:30 AM
here's the latest

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From the Boston Herald:



No one wants to go on the record as of yet but here’s the latest info, according to plugged-in sources: The Red Sox’ latest offer to Matsuzaka is six years for $8 million. Matsuzaka has counter-offered with six years for $11 million and that is the deal the Red Sox are weighing heading into the early hours of Wednesday morning.
The Red Sox are saying that if Matsuzaka is not on John Henry’s plane that heads back to Boston this morning, there is no chance of the deal getting done because he will not have time to have a physical. Matsuzaka’s camp is not concerned with the Red Sox’ timeline on private jets and physicals.

Basically, both sides are becoming more adamant about how they are willing to walk away from this deal, and this is after the Red Sox got their face to face meeting, however brief, with Matsuzaka Tuesday night. The Red Sox are shaking their heads, wondering how Matsuzaka and his agent Scott Boras can overlook the $51.11 million that they will send to the Seibu Lions if Matsuzka signs, meaning a total commitment of more than $99 million. Meanwhile Matsuzaka and Boras are wondering if the Red Sox think Daisuke Matsuzaka is Japanese for “Gil Meche'’ or “Randy Wolf.'’

How does $9.5 million a year for six years sound? Anyone? Anyone?



I think a lot of teams would sign him for $9.5 mill.......... if someone is going to hand out $10 mill to Gil Meche, i think you could swing $9.5 mill for Matsuzaka

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 11:54 AM
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I guarantee you guys that he WILL be signed.

Bet the house and car on it!

BorASS will play hardball up until the last second, and then take the best deal offered.


From your lips to to their ears...

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 12:44 PM
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Good point. I too believe players should prove themselves before getting the big salaries, especially when coming from another country/league where the talent is not the same.



The BoSox have already convinced themselves that he's worth it by outbidding others by about $15 mill. Boros knows this. He ain't stupid. The BoSox have already blinked by upping their deal before Boros countered their first offer. Boros knows if Matsuzaka doesn't sign, he's a free agent next year...and the bidding starts at $51 million.
My guess is they get it done. The BoSox will bend over, grab their ankles & take it where the sun don't shine. The'll come out, wipe their chins & proclaim everything is roses.

Like you said Neil. All this for an unproven player from basically the high minor leagues. Incredible.


No, he will NOT be a free agent next year if he doesn't sign. The $51.11 million bid by the Red Sox goes to the Seibu Lions, Matsuzaka's team in Japan, if a deal is struck, If not, Boston doesn't have to pay the money and Matsuzaka would remain the property of the Lions and could not go through the posting system again until next November.

Under Japanese baseball rules, he couldn't become a free agent until after the 2008 season.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 01:29 PM
Sounds like they've all but got it done...

Dice-K en route
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

The Red Sox contingent in Southern California is currently flying back to Boston with pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka and his agent, Scott Boras, on board.

“You can assume that a deal is done or close,” said one source with direct knowledge of the talks.

Team owner John W. Henry confirmed that Boras and Matsuzaka were flying back with the team, writing in an e-mail to the Associated Press: "They all took off together." Team president Larry Lucchino said shortly after noon EST that the plane was leaving California.

GM Theo Epstein and the Sox contingent, which flew to California on Monday to talk face to face, essentially created a deadline of their own when they said that their intention was to return home to Boston this morning on Henry's private plane -- with Matsuzaka in tow so that he would have sufficient time to undergo a physical, which general manager Theo Epstein described as a nonnegotiable prerequisite to any deal.

In prior days, agent Scott Boras had said he would not allow Matsuzaka to travel to Boston for a physical unless the sides had reached a preliminary agreement.

The Sox made a posting bid of $51.1 million to Matsuzaka's Japanese team, the Seibu Lions, for the right to negotiate with the pitcher for 30 days, a window that ends tomorrow night.

Meanwhile, the Red Sox called a 3:30 p.m. press conference at Fenway Park to announce the signing of Julio Lugo.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 02:38 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/12/13/matsuzaka.signs/in dex.html

Gee, he ends up with money closer to the Sox's offer of $9m/yr than Boras's $15m/yr.....shocker....

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 04:10 PM
I'm happy with the deal

It's not absurd at all really considering what the likes of Adam Eaton and Gil Meche are getting.

 

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  posted on 12/13/2006 at 09:41 PM
Finally the deal is done. This definately favors the Sox.
The contract has incentives that could push it to 60 million for 6 years. I think that is a very fair deal. Locking him up for 6 years was brilliant if he is that good!

 

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  posted on 12/14/2006 at 02:37 AM
quite frankly i'm kind of schocked that the Sox got him that cheap (not including the 51 mill posting). I guess they ended up winning the standoff considering how much Boras was seeking.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2006 at 07:05 AM
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quite frankly i'm kind of schocked that the Sox got him that cheap (not including the 51 mill posting). I guess they ended up winning the standoff considering how much Boras was seeking.



Boras didn't have a great bargaining position. He could only negotiate with the Red Sox and if Matsuzaka went back to Japan, Boras would have earned the princely sum of $0.00.


What is his percentage 5%? Still a 3 million payday for him. I think he realized he didnt have a choice in this deal. There was no option of walking away from it. He would never get another client from Japan if he didnt sign.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2006 at 07:39 AM
Interesting comments today on boston.com from former major league third baseman Mike Pagliarulo, who for years has run a sophisticated scouting service for international players, with emphasis on the Pacific Rim. He also recommends what a Japanese player is worth to a major league team by using complicated formulas and is consulted by major league and Japanese teams....

When asked what he would have recommended as a posting figure for Matsuzaka, Pagliarulo said, "Fifty million. That's what I had written down long before the figures came out. That was based on the talent level of the player, the market for the player, and the value of the player to a team. The Red Sox did an excellent job in finding that value. They really did their homework."

Pagliarulo, who played for Seibu and was a teammate of current Lions manager Tsutomu Ito, is close to the Seibu ownership. He knew there was zero chance Matsuzaka was returning to Seibu. Pagliarulo also said that if Matsuzaka tried to return to Seibu, the team would not allow him to be posted again next season.

Pagliarulo figured that at some point Matsuzaka must have told Boras to get a deal done.

Full article:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/14/this_decis ion_goes_to_sox_not_boras/

 

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  posted on 12/14/2006 at 06:36 PM
Thanks for the link that was definately a very interesting read.

 

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  posted on 12/14/2006 at 09:07 PM
Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

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The BoSox will bend over, grab their ankles & take it where the sun don't shine. The'll come out, wipe their chins & proclaim everything is roses.


Man, Boros caved big time. D-Maz ends up signing for about the original offer & indentures himself for 6 years. No way I'd make that deal, either as a player or agent...5 years, maybe....

Maybe D-Maz is afraid he won't be so hot in the long run, but at least the BoSox are paying him for 6 years at a fairly good chunk of change (by his standards). Maybe Boros knows it too. If D-Maz bombs the Bosox can't be blamed for spending too much.

Gotta give the Bosox credit, they came up smelling like roses.


 

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  posted on 12/14/2006 at 09:16 PM
Nice to see BorASS not get his way for once..

 

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  posted on 12/15/2006 at 03:56 AM
Just finished my FINAL final exam (career change time) so now I can concentrate on something important – spring training and the 2007 season are just around the corner!!!

Sad to see Pettitte go but I can’t blame Purpura/Drayton for not matching a PLAYER option for the second year. Andy’s arm was suspect 3 years ago when he came to Houston and last season he was somewhat erratic. Wish him all the luck in the world though, even if he is with NYY now (that’s almost painful to say ).

Now it is time for Clemens to pull off his annual tease of if/where he’ll pitch. Sure hope he doesn’t follow Andy to the East coast. Heck, if he does he’ll actually have to travel with the team and show up for home games, even when he doesn’t pitch. He WILL come back but in his own sweet time. I just hope he stays here.

Grabbing Jennings won’t be a bad deal if he’ll sign a new contract. This could be his big breakout year. In any event at least the ‘stros have a #2 pitcher for next year. They did give up a lot of potential in Hirsch but that’s the way it goes. WillyT will be missed in center but he was a hole in an offense that has too many holes already.

Certainly they overpaid for Lee, but geeesh, no one is cheap this year. Standing pat wasn’t going to get them anywhere in the Central this year against the Cubs, Cards, Reds and Brewers.


 
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