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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 09:54 AM
Hey now dont be surprised if you see a deal for Dontrelle Willis. I am still crossing my fingers for this to happen. The Yankees have enough prospects to make this happen. I see Melky and the two pitching prospects we got from Detroit for the trade. Remember he is only 26 and a lefty who throws heat I do not want to lose Melky but for proven young pitching it is a no brainer.

When does Willis become a free agent? Next year or the year after? If it is two years they might hang on to him one more year.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 10:39 AM
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see Melky and the two pitching prospects we got from Detroit for the trade




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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 12:36 PM
From ESPN:

After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!

 

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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 08:20 PM
Sure glad Wang isnt Japanese

 

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After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!




The guy hasn't thrown one pitch in MLB. He isn't worth $15 million. Name one pitcher who came here from Japan and was worth that kind of money. Just about every pitcher who came here from Japan has been underwhelming.


I understand that all to well Can you say IRABU!!! But what I am going by is what every major league scout is saying about the guy. With what Meche, Lilly, Padilla each signed for this guy is worth at least that much 10 to 12 million. Because there is no other teams involved the Red Sox are low balling! That is a fact.

 

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  posted on 12/10/2006 at 09:50 PM
I still say the Sox only made that crazy offer to keep him away from the Yanks.
I truly believe that they had no intention of signing him from the beginning.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 03:31 AM
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After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!




The guy hasn't thrown one pitch in MLB. He isn't worth $15 million. Name one pitcher who came here from Japan and was worth that kind of money. Just about every pitcher who came here from Japan has been underwhelming.


I understand that all to well Can you say IRABU!!! But what I am going by is what every major league scout is saying about the guy. With what Meche, Lilly, Padilla each signed for this guy is worth at least that much 10 to 12 million. Because there is no other teams involved the Red Sox are low balling! That is a fact.


can you really blame the Sox for low-balling though? I don't think there's any way i would even remotely think of over 10 mil for the guy. OITF has a point he hasn't thrown a single pitch in MLB and I guarantee that green monster i gonna look a lot closer on the mound than on TV............. Even without him i think the Sox rotation isn't all that bad

Schilling
Beckett
Papelbon
Lester
Wakefield

with the way pitching is...... thats one of the better rotations IMO

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 06:56 AM
SANTIAGO, Dominican Republic -- The New York Yankees signed Cuban prospect Juan Miranda to a four-year contract worth $2 million, the player told ESPNdeportes.com.


The Yankees are sure making a splash this off season!

This really shows Steinbreiner has finally relinquished his power. So far only big signing was Petitte. This makes me very happy that they are taking the conservative approach. IMO the only thing they need is pitching just like every one else. I just wish they would give Andy Phillips a shot at first instead of looking elsewhere.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 07:09 AM
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After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!




The guy hasn't thrown one pitch in MLB. He isn't worth $15 million. Name one pitcher who came here from Japan and was worth that kind of money. Just about every pitcher who came here from Japan has been underwhelming.


I understand that all to well Can you say IRABU!!! But what I am going by is what every major league scout is saying about the guy. With what Meche, Lilly, Padilla each signed for this guy is worth at least that much 10 to 12 million. Because there is no other teams involved the Red Sox are low balling! That is a fact.


can you really blame the Sox for low-balling though? I don't think there's any way i would even remotely think of over 10 mil for the guy. OITF has a point he hasn't thrown a single pitch in MLB and I guarantee that green monster i gonna look a lot closer on the mound than on TV............. Even without him i think the Sox rotation isn't all that bad

Schilling
Beckett
Papelbon
Lester
Wakefield

with the way pitching is...... thats one of the better rotations IMO


Dont forget Matt Clement

If Papelbon stays healthy and Lester has no set backs with his cancer you are right! I really believe Beckett will bounce back just fine.

SO! With that said maybe Chuck was onto something about the Red Sox with Matsuzaka.
I still dont believe it. That only makes it temporary. They really need to get this guy because we all know injuries happen especially pitchers.

Maybe they need to up the money and fewer years. Give him 18 to 20 million for two with an option to meet his expectation for the following two years if he produces as expected.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 08:21 AM
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I still say the Sox only made that crazy offer to keep him away from the Yanks.
I truly believe that they had no intention of signing him from the beginning.


I don't think so, that would only keep him away from them for a year. Of course the way the system currently works (or doesn't work) I suppose when he posts next season they could just bid $100 million and then not sign him again.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 08:37 AM
Now seems like Boras is the one who doesn't want to get this done...

December 11, 2006
Tumbling Dice
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

With Thursday's deadline for signing Daisuke Matsuzaka looming, the Red Sox are in a position of wondering, as one well-placed source said yesterday, whether agent Scott Boras is "running out the clock'' on negotiations.

Talks over the weekend moved at a glacial pace, with the Sox, as of Sunday night, still awaiting the semblance of a counter-offer from Boras to the comprehensive offer they made at least 10 days ago. Boras had pledged late last week that the Sox would hear directly from Matsuzaka, who flew in from Tokyo on Saturday, but there was no public indication that has yet to happen. Indeed, frustrated Sox officials were privately wondering whether the player was aware that Boras so far had not made a counter-offer.

But regardless of whether Boras has put a deal on the table that the pitcher would accept, he has both publicly and privately let it be known to the Sox that he expects the 26-year-old Matsuzaka to be compensated like an elite free agent. The Red Sox, meanwhile, have argued that the reason they were willing to post $51.1 million to Matsuzaka's Japanese team, the Seibu Lions, for the right to negotiate with the pitcher is because they would own controlling rights over him for six years.

Complete story at: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 01:58 PM


Deal or no deal?


 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 08:23 PM
LMAO

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 08:47 PM
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Maybe they need to up the money and fewer years. Give him 18 to 20 million for two with an option to meet his expectation for the following two years if he produces as expected.


egg zak lee....

Boros is playing "hardball" (excuse the pun).

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 08:55 PM
[quoteBut regardless of whether Boras has put a deal on the table that the pitcher would accept, he has both publicly and privately let it be known to the Sox that he expects the 26-year-old Matsuzaka to be compensated like an elite free agent


Typical Bor-ASS

This guy has not thrown a single pitch in the MLB. I know he was "elite" in Japan, but that does not mean he will be here.

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 09:08 PM
Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.

 

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Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.


Must be the name. We have a Newport here in RI and they are quite stiff!

 

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Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.


I find that to be the case in much of southern CA, peach heads excepted of course.

 

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We have a Newport here in RI and they are quite stiff!


....not that there's anything wrong with that....

 

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  posted on 12/11/2006 at 09:35 PM
And its not even Thursday

 

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And its not even Thursday


hehe...too bad it ain't....tomorrow would be Friday!!!!

 

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Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.


I find that to be the case in much of southern CA, peach heads excepted of course.



'preciate that one


I absolutely hate going down to Orange county and i had to do it for work yesterday.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 01:41 AM
I won't post the whole transript of what Boras said but basically he did say "the decision is up to Matsuzaka" which is somewhat encouraging for anyone that would like to see him pitch in the majors in '07

the rest of it was pretty much standard Boras BS.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 06:52 AM
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I won't post the whole transript of what Boras said but basically he did say "the decision is up to Matsuzaka" which is somewhat encouraging for anyone that would like to see him pitch in the majors in '07

the rest of it was pretty much standard Boras BS.


I just read it he is such an a$$. Worth a 100 million

Red Sox increased their offer so the I see the deal gettin done.

 

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  posted on 12/12/2006 at 09:11 AM
Boras demands way out of line
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff | December 12, 2006

When Scott Boras negotiated Alex Rodriguez's $252 million deal with the Texas Rangers, you could feel your mouth drop and wonder about the sanity of baseball. But at the end of the day, you at least could reason that, at the time, A-Rod was the best player in the game. A proven commodity. A future Hall of Famer.

Which is far from what Daisuke Matsuzaka is.

One hundred million dollars? Is that what Boras is asking for?

For a pitcher who has never thrown a baseball in a major league uniform? For a pitcher with tremendous ability, according to just about any coach, manager, and scout who has seen him, but who asked the Seibu Lions to post him so he could live his dream as a big league ballplayer? Doesn't he want to be a big league ballplayer first and PROVE he's worth $100 million? Or does he just want a team to hand him the money before he proves anything?

I'm not sure the latter is honorable in any country.

If Larry Lucchino, Theo Epstein, and/or John Henry come close to that number (I'm talking about a six-year, $100 million contract, not counting the $51.1 million posting fee) they should have their franchise revoked.

Matsuzaka won't get that now, won't get that next year, and may not get it the year after that, when he could be an unrestricted free agent.

The New York Mets and New York Yankees were of the same mindset as the Sox when they made their bids in the posting process -- that Matsuzaka was worth in the vicinity of $8 million per year, $10 million tops.

The Yankees can get as crazy as anyone with money, but even they understand the risk.

Matsuzaka is worth more than Roy Oswalt or Roy Halladay or Jason Schmidt? How has that value been determined? By pitching for the Seibu Lions of the Japanese Central League? You mean to say that Matsuzaka should be paid more than Josh Beckett, who has won at Yankee Stadium to clinch a World Series? He should be paid more than Curt Schilling?

Japanese baseball is a notch better than Triple A, but also a notch lower than the majors. Granted, it is difficult to gauge his worth, but to say he should make more than a proven All-Star in the majors? Don't think so.

For as much as Boras should be admired for being a terrific negotiator and innovator, he's also capable of the ridiculous and absurd. And throwing out a $100 million figure for Matsuzaka is all that.

Now comes word that perhaps he hasn't negotiated with the Red Sox at all, and that the Sox have had to force the issue by flying to Boras's base in Newport Beach, Calif., unannounced to demand a meeting.

Sox owner John Henry said early this morning, "We're on Scott's doorstep. He hasn't negotiated with us. We're taking the fight directly to him."

The Sox brass indicated that their initial offer wasn't countered and they've made a second offer and are waiting for a counter on that. It's strange that an agent would receive an offer and not counter it. We know that much of this is posturing, which Boras does better than anyone.

But it also makes you wonder if he wants to get the kid signed at all.

Epstein characterized the new Sox offer as the most ever given to a Japanese player. The Red Sox want to make sure Matsuzaka and the Japanese know of Boston's seriousness in trying to work out a deal.

This was supposed to be the story of a fine young Japanese pitcher getting his chance in the big leagues for a big market team with a passionate fan base that is second to none.

Does that matter anymore? Or has Matsuzaka been Boras-ized to the point where he'll be used as a test case of the posting system? A protest? Where only the bottom line matters?

Something about this doesn't feel right.

It shouldn't feel right to Matsuzaka, who could make it right by insisting that his dream be fulfilled this season in a city where baseball matters.

 

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